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Amanda Erickson Counselling And Consulting
Counsellor, MA, RCC
Verified Verified
Nelson, BC V1L
Hi! I'm Amanda Erickson. Start connecting with deeper inner peace and happiness in your day to day life this year! I support couples and individuals to improve relationships and skillfully navigate communication. I provide counselling for issues such as: couples relationships, family relationships, anxiety, depression, parenting issues, attachment issues, communication issues, substance use, trauma, and grief and loss. I received my Master's Degree in Counselling Psychology in 2007 and I have 17 years experience in private practice. I am a Registered Clinical Counsellor. I have been in the field of social service for 24 years now.
Hi! I'm Amanda Erickson. Start connecting with deeper inner peace and happiness in your day to day life this year! I support couples and individuals to improve relationships and skillfully navigate communication. I provide counselling for issues such as: couples relationships, family relationships, anxiety, depression, parenting issues, attachment issues, communication issues, substance use, trauma, and grief and loss. I received my Master's Degree in Counselling Psychology in 2007 and I have 17 years experience in private practice. I am a Registered Clinical Counsellor. I have been in the field of social service for 24 years now.
(825) 254-6630 View (825) 254-6630
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King Fung Tang
Counsellor, MSSCP, RCC
Verified Verified
Richmond, BC V6X
I am experienced in working with individuals with various mental and psychological struggles, such as personality disorders, depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorders, phobia, anxiety, insomnia, grief and loss issues, early trauma, sexual problems, couple relationship problems, low self-esteem and self-image, and other developmental issues.
Hello, 你好!I am a registered clinical counsellor specializing in psychoanalytic psychotherapy. In essence, this psychotherapy helps individuals change and grow from within because inner change is long-lasting and stable. It helps them find relief from mental or emotional stress, identify the hidden roots in the past to their present psychological pain, promote self-reflection and self-examination, develop a better understanding of present challenges, develop more effective and constructive coping methods, and facilitate life transformation and personality growth.
I am experienced in working with individuals with various mental and psychological struggles, such as personality disorders, depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorders, phobia, anxiety, insomnia, grief and loss issues, early trauma, sexual problems, couple relationship problems, low self-esteem and self-image, and other developmental issues.
Hello, 你好!I am a registered clinical counsellor specializing in psychoanalytic psychotherapy. In essence, this psychotherapy helps individuals change and grow from within because inner change is long-lasting and stable. It helps them find relief from mental or emotional stress, identify the hidden roots in the past to their present psychological pain, promote self-reflection and self-examination, develop a better understanding of present challenges, develop more effective and constructive coping methods, and facilitate life transformation and personality growth.
(506) 516-1300 View (506) 516-1300
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Ava Clark Counselling
Counsellor, MA, BFA, CCC
Verified Verified
Castlegar, BC V1N
Currently accepting Online and in person clients! With over 15 years of experience in the mental health field, I work with a range of populations and issues; Anxiety, Depression, OCD, Life changes, Interpersonal conflict, Grief, Trauma, Postpartum depression, and many other areas. I come from a client centered philosophy and respect your right to privacy. I am passionate about helping people reach their mental health and wellness goals.
Currently accepting Online and in person clients! With over 15 years of experience in the mental health field, I work with a range of populations and issues; Anxiety, Depression, OCD, Life changes, Interpersonal conflict, Grief, Trauma, Postpartum depression, and many other areas. I come from a client centered philosophy and respect your right to privacy. I am passionate about helping people reach their mental health and wellness goals.
(289) 799-3860 View (289) 799-3860
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Hoi Pan (Dada) Cheng
Counsellor, MSW, RSW, RCC
Verified Verified
Richmond, BC V6Y
I meet clients with mental health concerns such as chronic stress, depression, anxiety, eating disorders etc.
We all experience difficulties due to many different life circumstances and we may struggle to move forward because of what happened in our past and fear for the future. I will help you develop emotional intelligence, unpack your stressors, and establish healthy coping mechanisms, that will propel you towards your ideal self and intended goals. I am trained to utilize EMDR, CBT, DBT, EFT, FBT and couples therapy. I am here to join the healing process with you by providing a safe space for you to create the tools you need to face your challenges with a renewed sense of purpose and self-efficacy.
I meet clients with mental health concerns such as chronic stress, depression, anxiety, eating disorders etc.
We all experience difficulties due to many different life circumstances and we may struggle to move forward because of what happened in our past and fear for the future. I will help you develop emotional intelligence, unpack your stressors, and establish healthy coping mechanisms, that will propel you towards your ideal self and intended goals. I am trained to utilize EMDR, CBT, DBT, EFT, FBT and couples therapy. I am here to join the healing process with you by providing a safe space for you to create the tools you need to face your challenges with a renewed sense of purpose and self-efficacy.
(778) 766-4854 View (778) 766-4854
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Tammy (Tam) Schultz
Counsellor, MA, RCC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Abbotsford, BC V3G
I have extensive experience with anxiety, depression, eating disorders, self-harm, suicidality, trauma, abuse, and chronic illness.
As a registered clinical counsellor, I consider it a privilege and honour to walk alongside my clients on their path toward their personal goals of healing and health. I provide a non-judgmental, collaborative, and compassionate approach to therapy that allows my clients to express their personal story in a supportive environment. I believe that each person is on a journey that can be accentuated by looking forward with hope. It is my goal to help my clients incorporate hope in their experiences.
I have extensive experience with anxiety, depression, eating disorders, self-harm, suicidality, trauma, abuse, and chronic illness.
As a registered clinical counsellor, I consider it a privilege and honour to walk alongside my clients on their path toward their personal goals of healing and health. I provide a non-judgmental, collaborative, and compassionate approach to therapy that allows my clients to express their personal story in a supportive environment. I believe that each person is on a journey that can be accentuated by looking forward with hope. It is my goal to help my clients incorporate hope in their experiences.
(778) 400-7705 View (778) 400-7705
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Angela Pattria
Counsellor, MA, RCC
Verified Verified
Vancouver, BC V6B
I am passionate about supporting individuals in their journey with various mental health challenges specializing in substance use, anxiety, depression, PTSD, ADHD, trauma and many others. My past counselling experiences include community based mental health work, supporting individuals while embracing the importance of identity, culture and its influence on self and finding a place in society. I also have extensive experience working with clients navigating immigration, life transitions, and substance use challenges.
I am passionate about supporting individuals in their journey with various mental health challenges specializing in substance use, anxiety, depression, PTSD, ADHD, trauma and many others. My past counselling experiences include community based mental health work, supporting individuals while embracing the importance of identity, culture and its influence on self and finding a place in society. I also have extensive experience working with clients navigating immigration, life transitions, and substance use challenges.
(506) 804-2723 View (506) 804-2723
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Renée Dsouza
Counsellor, MC, CCC, RCC
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Kelowna, BC V1Y
Are you a youth or adult with a Sensory Processing Sensitivity/Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) and/or experiences deep empathy (Empath) for yourself, others, animals, the environment and feels overwhelmed, anxious, or depressed as you try to navigate a world that just doesn't seem to match your inner world, pace, and constitution? Do you feel overwhelmed by the depth of feeling/processing you engage in on top of the demands of work, school, relationships, etc? Maybe you're feeling stuck, confused, frustrated, discouraged, or just plain tired. We often struggle with overwhelm and can feel frustrated that our innate talents go unseen.
Are you a youth or adult with a Sensory Processing Sensitivity/Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) and/or experiences deep empathy (Empath) for yourself, others, animals, the environment and feels overwhelmed, anxious, or depressed as you try to navigate a world that just doesn't seem to match your inner world, pace, and constitution? Do you feel overwhelmed by the depth of feeling/processing you engage in on top of the demands of work, school, relationships, etc? Maybe you're feeling stuck, confused, frustrated, discouraged, or just plain tired. We often struggle with overwhelm and can feel frustrated that our innate talents go unseen.
(867) 322-2656 View (867) 322-2656
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Elizabeth (Beth) Forbes: Online - Ptsd Trauma Related Concerns
Psychologist, R Psych
Verified Verified
Kelowna, BC V1Y  (Online Only)
Waitlist for new clients
Do strong emotions and memories impact how you live? Unresolved trauma and chronic stress can create negative thoughts and feelings and negatively impact our overall well-being. We may experience anxiety/depression, addiction, chronic stress, etc. Coping mechanisms may become ineffective or even harmful over time. Are you new to therapy - or have been to therapy before - call to discuss how trauma therapy may help.
Do strong emotions and memories impact how you live? Unresolved trauma and chronic stress can create negative thoughts and feelings and negatively impact our overall well-being. We may experience anxiety/depression, addiction, chronic stress, etc. Coping mechanisms may become ineffective or even harmful over time. Are you new to therapy - or have been to therapy before - call to discuss how trauma therapy may help.
(579) 500-1786 View (579) 500-1786
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Panorama Wellness Group
Counsellor, RCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Langley, BC V3A
My professional background includes extensive experience in assisting individuals with diverse mental health needs, such as anxiety and depression, and neurodivergence, including ADHD and autism. I strive to create a safe, non-judgmental space where you can feel heard, understood, and empowered to address your challenges.
My professional background includes extensive experience in assisting individuals with diverse mental health needs, such as anxiety and depression, and neurodivergence, including ADHD and autism. I strive to create a safe, non-judgmental space where you can feel heard, understood, and empowered to address your challenges.
(548) 800-1570 View (548) 800-1570
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Corey Chan
Counsellor, MEd, RCC
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Vancouver, BC V6C
I am dedicated to helping you address your concerns and issues and focus on what’s important to you. We do this on your terms and at your pace. Through an effective, non-judgemental, therapeutic relationship, I help you examine the different areas of your life and help you make practical and meaningful changes. Whether you are dealing with depression, anxiety, trauma, substance use issues or other concerns, I'll work with you to make the changes you want to see. I am also experienced in providing specialized support to the LGBTQ+ community as well as gender affirming care.
I am dedicated to helping you address your concerns and issues and focus on what’s important to you. We do this on your terms and at your pace. Through an effective, non-judgemental, therapeutic relationship, I help you examine the different areas of your life and help you make practical and meaningful changes. Whether you are dealing with depression, anxiety, trauma, substance use issues or other concerns, I'll work with you to make the changes you want to see. I am also experienced in providing specialized support to the LGBTQ+ community as well as gender affirming care.
(778) 323-5797 View (778) 323-5797
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Rachelle Buck
Counsellor, MC, RCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Vancouver, BC V6H
Hello there! My name is Rachelle and I'm a Registered Clinical Counsellor (14415) with the BCACC. I have over 15 years working in the mental health and addictions field both as a counsellor and as a psychiatric nurse. I have always had a desire to connect and help others with their struggles, and have worked with a wide variety of folks over the years, including people who experience suicidal thinking, depression, anxiety, trauma (both PTSD and complex), substance use/recovery, and grief/loss. I provide a safe and supportive space so for you to explore your internal experience and move closer to your goals and living more fully.
Hello there! My name is Rachelle and I'm a Registered Clinical Counsellor (14415) with the BCACC. I have over 15 years working in the mental health and addictions field both as a counsellor and as a psychiatric nurse. I have always had a desire to connect and help others with their struggles, and have worked with a wide variety of folks over the years, including people who experience suicidal thinking, depression, anxiety, trauma (both PTSD and complex), substance use/recovery, and grief/loss. I provide a safe and supportive space so for you to explore your internal experience and move closer to your goals and living more fully.
(778) 652-8510 View (778) 652-8510
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Heather Aikman
Counsellor, MA, RCC
Verified Verified
I have extensive knowledge of working with individuals, relationships, and children navigating trauma-related challenges, childhood suffering, anxiety, ADHD, depression, grief, and loss.
My warm and pragmatic approach supports clients in moving from a self-limiting pattern of behaviour to a space of self-awareness and efficacy. I offer a non-judgmental environment where concerns are addressed with compassion and respect. I assist individuals, families, and relationships in clarifying their personal insights and developing deeper perspectives about their own challenges. Through my wealth of experience and advanced expertise, I support clients by providing tools and strategies unique to their individualized needs.
I have extensive knowledge of working with individuals, relationships, and children navigating trauma-related challenges, childhood suffering, anxiety, ADHD, depression, grief, and loss.
My warm and pragmatic approach supports clients in moving from a self-limiting pattern of behaviour to a space of self-awareness and efficacy. I offer a non-judgmental environment where concerns are addressed with compassion and respect. I assist individuals, families, and relationships in clarifying their personal insights and developing deeper perspectives about their own challenges. Through my wealth of experience and advanced expertise, I support clients by providing tools and strategies unique to their individualized needs.
(604) 644-7449 View (604) 644-7449
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Leah Pagels
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, RSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Waitlist for new clients
I have extensive experience working with children and youth who are facing challenges with depression, anxiety disorders, and emotional regulation, in addition to school and relationship issues.
I believe that each person and family is unique and deserves a unique approach to therapy. My practice is primarily informed by cognitive behavioral therapy (including mindfulness and acceptance, and commitment), as well as dialectical behavioral, interpersonal, and solution-focused therapy. I am a registered social worker with the BC College of Social Workers, and received my Master of Social Work from the University of British Columbia, as well as an undergraduate degree in Psychology.
I have extensive experience working with children and youth who are facing challenges with depression, anxiety disorders, and emotional regulation, in addition to school and relationship issues.
I believe that each person and family is unique and deserves a unique approach to therapy. My practice is primarily informed by cognitive behavioral therapy (including mindfulness and acceptance, and commitment), as well as dialectical behavioral, interpersonal, and solution-focused therapy. I am a registered social worker with the BC College of Social Workers, and received my Master of Social Work from the University of British Columbia, as well as an undergraduate degree in Psychology.
(226) 799-9395 View (226) 799-9395
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Linette Read
Counsellor, MEd, RCC
Verified Verified
Victoria, BC V8V
I’m a European settler, an explorer of nature, a knitter, and a Registered Clinical Counsellor who has supported youth and adults and their mental health for over a decade. I’m a calm, curious, relaxed person who has been asking the big existential questions of who we are and why we’re here and what to do about that my whole life. I love bringing this curiosity into the counselling space and supporting you to identify how those questions are impacting you. You may be feeling depressed, full of anxiety, working through past and current traumas, or grappling with the difficulties that being alive inevitably brings.
I’m a European settler, an explorer of nature, a knitter, and a Registered Clinical Counsellor who has supported youth and adults and their mental health for over a decade. I’m a calm, curious, relaxed person who has been asking the big existential questions of who we are and why we’re here and what to do about that my whole life. I love bringing this curiosity into the counselling space and supporting you to identify how those questions are impacting you. You may be feeling depressed, full of anxiety, working through past and current traumas, or grappling with the difficulties that being alive inevitably brings.
(306) 517-2453 View (306) 517-2453
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Kassidy Hildebrand
Counsellor, MA, RCC, CCC
Verified Verified
Chilliwack, BC V2R
When you feel like all odds are stacked against you and there is no light at the end of the tunnel, you might feel like now is the time to reach out for support. If you have began the search for support, I commend you. It is not easy to reach out or ask for help. If you are struggling with a life-controlling issues that stem from past pain, such as anxiety, depression, self-harm, addiction, and eating disorders, I would love to navigate these struggles alongside you. Together, we can move towards a place of healing in whatever capacity that you feel best suits your needs. We are not meant to journey in life alone.
When you feel like all odds are stacked against you and there is no light at the end of the tunnel, you might feel like now is the time to reach out for support. If you have began the search for support, I commend you. It is not easy to reach out or ask for help. If you are struggling with a life-controlling issues that stem from past pain, such as anxiety, depression, self-harm, addiction, and eating disorders, I would love to navigate these struggles alongside you. Together, we can move towards a place of healing in whatever capacity that you feel best suits your needs. We are not meant to journey in life alone.
(289) 301-8779 View (289) 301-8779
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Helen Marie Thomas
Counsellor, MA, RCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Vancouver, BC V5L  (Online Only)
Helen has extensive experience providing both group and individual therapy to those struggling with trauma and abuse, addictions, depression/anxiety or in need of guidance through a challenging life transition.
A large part of the change that takes place due to therapeutic work is the relationship between client and counsellor. I strive to make that relationship a meaningful one based on respect and compassion. I bring with me a wide range of knowledge, skills and education and am happy to continue learning both from and for my clients.
Helen has extensive experience providing both group and individual therapy to those struggling with trauma and abuse, addictions, depression/anxiety or in need of guidance through a challenging life transition.
A large part of the change that takes place due to therapeutic work is the relationship between client and counsellor. I strive to make that relationship a meaningful one based on respect and compassion. I bring with me a wide range of knowledge, skills and education and am happy to continue learning both from and for my clients.
(604) 256-7252 View (604) 256-7252
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Marina Bergen
Counsellor, RTC, RPC, FOT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Vancouver, BC V5L
Finding a balance between our own needs and the expectations of others can be a difficult task. Factors like trauma, anxiety, depression, or relationship issues can make it even more challenging to stay true to ourselves. If you're experiencing doubts, low self-esteem, shame, or simply looking to understand yourself better and live more authentically, I'm here for you. Together, we can work towards finding a renewed sense of understanding, connection, and direction in your life.
Finding a balance between our own needs and the expectations of others can be a difficult task. Factors like trauma, anxiety, depression, or relationship issues can make it even more challenging to stay true to ourselves. If you're experiencing doubts, low self-esteem, shame, or simply looking to understand yourself better and live more authentically, I'm here for you. Together, we can work towards finding a renewed sense of understanding, connection, and direction in your life.
(778) 300-4277 View (778) 300-4277
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Chelsea Reid
Counsellor, MA, CCC
Verified Verified
Surrey, BC V3Z  (Online Only)
Waitlist for new clients
I provide counselling services to children, teens, and adults. I work with children and teens experiencing personal, social, academic, and behavioural problems, including bullying, gender identity and sexuality, body image and self-esteem, depression, anxiety, abuse/neglect, trauma, and interpersonal issues. My work with adult clients includes supporting you through depression, anxiety, OCD, self-esteem & body image, and relational issues.
I provide counselling services to children, teens, and adults. I work with children and teens experiencing personal, social, academic, and behavioural problems, including bullying, gender identity and sexuality, body image and self-esteem, depression, anxiety, abuse/neglect, trauma, and interpersonal issues. My work with adult clients includes supporting you through depression, anxiety, OCD, self-esteem & body image, and relational issues.
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San Samra
Counsellor, MA, RCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Surrey, BC V3S
Do you struggle with your emotions? Do they lead you to engage in behaviours that you regret? Are you struggling with interpersonal conflicts, substance use, self harm, or mental health concerns? I can help you achieve your goals and to go from surviving to thriving. I am a Registered Clinical Counsellor with the British Columbia Association of Clinical Counsellors. With having worked in both private and public mental health settings, I've been able to work with people struggling with addiction, depression, intense emotions, life transitions, self-harm, stress/anxiety, suicidal ideation, trauma/PTSD, and many others.
Do you struggle with your emotions? Do they lead you to engage in behaviours that you regret? Are you struggling with interpersonal conflicts, substance use, self harm, or mental health concerns? I can help you achieve your goals and to go from surviving to thriving. I am a Registered Clinical Counsellor with the British Columbia Association of Clinical Counsellors. With having worked in both private and public mental health settings, I've been able to work with people struggling with addiction, depression, intense emotions, life transitions, self-harm, stress/anxiety, suicidal ideation, trauma/PTSD, and many others.
(604) 706-1378 View (604) 706-1378
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Tracy De Medeiros
Counsellor, MA, RCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
North Vancouver, BC V7L  (Online Only)
As a counsellor and coach, I am driven to help my clients honour their past, accept their present, and create a more meaningful future. I firmly believe that everyone is the expert of themselves and that my job, through compassion and collaboration, is to help my clients, heal, gain insight, tap into inner wisdom, leverage their strengths, and reach goals previously not imagined. Together my clients and I work on decreasing symptoms of anxiety and depression and increasing their sense of resiliency, well-being, and overall satisfaction with their life.
As a counsellor and coach, I am driven to help my clients honour their past, accept their present, and create a more meaningful future. I firmly believe that everyone is the expert of themselves and that my job, through compassion and collaboration, is to help my clients, heal, gain insight, tap into inner wisdom, leverage their strengths, and reach goals previously not imagined. Together my clients and I work on decreasing symptoms of anxiety and depression and increasing their sense of resiliency, well-being, and overall satisfaction with their life.
(778) 784-5178 View (778) 784-5178

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Depression Counsellors

What is the goal of therapy for depression?

Therapy for depression has several major goals. One is to relieve the mental pain of depression, which distorts feeling and thinking so that sufferers cannot see beyond their current state of mind or envision feeling better. Another is to give people the mental tools to recognise and correct the kinds of distorted thinking that turn a problem into a catastrophe and lead to despair. Therapy also teaches people how to process negative emotions in constructive ways, so they have more control over their own emotional reactivity. And it helps people regain the ability to see themselves positively, the motivation to do things, and the capacity for pleasure.

What happens in therapy for depression?

Perhaps most important, no matter the type of therapy, patients form an alliance with the therapist; that connection is therapeutic in itself, plus it becomes an instrument of change. Patients learn to identify and to challenge their own erroneous beliefs and thoughts that amplify the effects of negative experiences. They learn to identify situations in which they are especially vulnerable. And they learn new patterns of thinking and behaving. They may be given “homework” assignments in which they practice their developing skills. In addition, good therapists regularly monitor patients to assess whether and how much the condition is improving.

What therapy types help with depression?

Several types of short-term therapy have been found effective, each targeting one or more areas of dysfunction. Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) helps clients challenge their negative thoughts and beliefs, learn new behavioral strategies, and curb reactivity to distressing situations. Behavioural activation (BA) is a form of therapy often used in conjunction with CBT; it focuses on engagement in rewarding activity as a pathway to changing negative feelings and disturbed mood. Another widely used approach is interpersonal therapy (IPT), which targets the social difficulties that both give rise to and get exacerbated by depression. Therapists may combine approaches as needed.

Can therapy for depression be done online?

Studies have found that online therapy can be highly effective for treating depression, although it may be more challenging to build a good therapist-patient alliance on screen than in person—at least at first. However, online therapy can offer considerable advantages. Accessibility and convenience are tops among them. Some people actually find it easier to talk about problems online than in person. While online therapy typically limits visibility of facial expression and body gestures that give important nonverbal cues to a patient’s state of mind, it can give therapists a glimpse into a patient’s world and life, providing information that can be highly useful in guiding therapy.

How effective is therapy for depression?

Many studies show that therapy is highly effective provided that patients complete the prescribed course of therapy, commonly 16 to 20 sessions. Over the long term, it is more effective than medication and the effects are more enduring. As a result, psychotherapy has the power not just to relieve current suffering but to prevent future episodes of the disorder. Therapy reverses the dysfunction in neural circuitry that disposes individuals to a negative view of themselves, the world, and their future and they acquire coping techniques, problem-solving skills, and understanding of their own vulnerabilities that are useful over the course of a lifetime.