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Debra Prichard-Hurt
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60611
I work with clients who have depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts and/or attempts, self-harming behaviors, relationship issues, divorce, marriage therapy, grief issues, domestic victims, substance use, anger management and adolescent/family issues.
Does life seem more complicated than it needs to be? Are the daily pressures of life, work, finances, children or relationships getting the best of you? Do you find yourself feeling sad, overwhelmed or anxious? Do you feel alone, abandoned, or invisible? Do you find yourself turning to alcohol or drugs to relax and forget your problems? Or does life feel so hopeless you’re thinking about checking out? If the answer is Yes, Call Debra today for a Free 15 minute consultation and appointment. Let me help you discover the hope and peace you’ve lost and bring more meaning back to your life.
I work with clients who have depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts and/or attempts, self-harming behaviors, relationship issues, divorce, marriage therapy, grief issues, domestic victims, substance use, anger management and adolescent/family issues.
Does life seem more complicated than it needs to be? Are the daily pressures of life, work, finances, children or relationships getting the best of you? Do you find yourself feeling sad, overwhelmed or anxious? Do you feel alone, abandoned, or invisible? Do you find yourself turning to alcohol or drugs to relax and forget your problems? Or does life feel so hopeless you’re thinking about checking out? If the answer is Yes, Call Debra today for a Free 15 minute consultation and appointment. Let me help you discover the hope and peace you’ve lost and bring more meaning back to your life.
(815) 453-9153 View (815) 453-9153
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Kimberlie (Kimi) Simms
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60601  (Online Only)
I have worked extensively with individuals facing chronic suicidal ideation and self-harming behaviors.
Throughout our lives, we are taught how to be a good friend, a good family member, and to be kind and considerate to others. Unfortunately, people often are not taught how to be nice to oneself. As a therapist, I strive to assist clients in self-exploration and self-compassion and working towards self-acceptance. The real change starts with us as individuals. Once we start to take care of ourselves, and make those steps towards internal healing, there is a ripple effect towards improving our relationships with others. All parts of us are important, especially those parts of us we want to avoid and reject.
I have worked extensively with individuals facing chronic suicidal ideation and self-harming behaviors.
Throughout our lives, we are taught how to be a good friend, a good family member, and to be kind and considerate to others. Unfortunately, people often are not taught how to be nice to oneself. As a therapist, I strive to assist clients in self-exploration and self-compassion and working towards self-acceptance. The real change starts with us as individuals. Once we start to take care of ourselves, and make those steps towards internal healing, there is a ripple effect towards improving our relationships with others. All parts of us are important, especially those parts of us we want to avoid and reject.
(773) 694-9370 View (773) 694-9370
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Jensen Crenshaw
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60618
I specialize in adolescents, trauma, suicidal ideations/ self-harming behaviors, relationship concerns, career transitions, and identity issues.
Are there parts of your life story you wish you could re-write? Are you feeling lost or hopeless because of the weight of shame, unwanted habits, or overwhelming emotions? As a caregiver or parent, are you worried about someone you love and feeling disconnected from them and not sure how to help? As a person who has seen firsthand the life-changing work of therapy when you are able to reconnect with yourself, your loved ones, and your values, I want you to know you aren’t alone. Change is possible.
I specialize in adolescents, trauma, suicidal ideations/ self-harming behaviors, relationship concerns, career transitions, and identity issues.
Are there parts of your life story you wish you could re-write? Are you feeling lost or hopeless because of the weight of shame, unwanted habits, or overwhelming emotions? As a caregiver or parent, are you worried about someone you love and feeling disconnected from them and not sure how to help? As a person who has seen firsthand the life-changing work of therapy when you are able to reconnect with yourself, your loved ones, and your values, I want you to know you aren’t alone. Change is possible.
(773) 974-1780 View (773) 974-1780
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People’s Therapy of Chicago
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, CADC
Verified Verified
4 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60611
Drinking, using substances, gambling, self harm ( cutting, burning, more).
People’s Therapy of Chicago treats people struggling with: addictive use of substances or behaviors, anxiety, depression, relationship stress, job stress and the lasting impact of trauma. If you're considering therapy but aren't sure, then you've come to the right place. Most people who see us have little to no experience with therapists or therapy. Many are uncomfortable asking for help, believing it is a sign of "weakness." Others come from families where "staying strong," and keeping "personal business" in the family was the norm. Whatever the story, they are able to open up to us.
Drinking, using substances, gambling, self harm ( cutting, burning, more).
People’s Therapy of Chicago treats people struggling with: addictive use of substances or behaviors, anxiety, depression, relationship stress, job stress and the lasting impact of trauma. If you're considering therapy but aren't sure, then you've come to the right place. Most people who see us have little to no experience with therapists or therapy. Many are uncomfortable asking for help, believing it is a sign of "weakness." Others come from families where "staying strong," and keeping "personal business" in the family was the norm. Whatever the story, they are able to open up to us.
(773) 328-8720 View (773) 328-8720
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Primary Care Psychology Associates, LLC
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60611
Our mission is to facilitate cutting edge integration of behavioral health and medicine by promoting behavioral health across the lifespan through easy-access, an excellent team of psychotherapists, working in collaboration with primary and specialty medical providers.
Primary Care Psychology Associates, LLC is the premier provider of outpatient adult and pediatric psychological services in Central and Northern Chicagoland. We provide comprehensive pediatric (0-18) and adult psychological services, including psychological assessment, consultation, and psychotherapy (individual, couples, and family). Our locations are accessible and conveniently located close to major transportation hubs throughout the greater Chicago area. For more information on our locations and our therapists, please visit www.pcpachicago.com
Our mission is to facilitate cutting edge integration of behavioral health and medicine by promoting behavioral health across the lifespan through easy-access, an excellent team of psychotherapists, working in collaboration with primary and specialty medical providers.
Primary Care Psychology Associates, LLC is the premier provider of outpatient adult and pediatric psychological services in Central and Northern Chicagoland. We provide comprehensive pediatric (0-18) and adult psychological services, including psychological assessment, consultation, and psychotherapy (individual, couples, and family). Our locations are accessible and conveniently located close to major transportation hubs throughout the greater Chicago area. For more information on our locations and our therapists, please visit www.pcpachicago.com
(224) 479-1590 View (224) 479-1590
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Generations Behavioral Healthcare, PC
MSN, APRN
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60602
At Generations Behavioral Healthcare, P.C. (GBH) we are redefining the traditional model of behavioral healthcare practice. We provide cutting-edge concierge behavioral healthcare with an emphasis on personalized, evidence-based care. We provide psychiatric medication management services in-office, at-home, and even through telepsychiatry. Our prices are typically 50-75% cheaper than insurance-based practices. GBH provides compassionate care to all age groups and works with children, adolescents, adults, families, and couples.
At Generations Behavioral Healthcare, P.C. (GBH) we are redefining the traditional model of behavioral healthcare practice. We provide cutting-edge concierge behavioral healthcare with an emphasis on personalized, evidence-based care. We provide psychiatric medication management services in-office, at-home, and even through telepsychiatry. Our prices are typically 50-75% cheaper than insurance-based practices. GBH provides compassionate care to all age groups and works with children, adolescents, adults, families, and couples.
(630) 716-9813 View (630) 716-9813
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Evolve Wellness - Chicago
Psychologist
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60657
You are exactly where you need to be even though it may not feel that way. Everything you need to move through this chapter is with you. Our job is to help you unfold that and give a little push. We utilize an integrative and holistic approach, based on your personality, needs and area of concern. Therefore, treatment is different for each person.
You are exactly where you need to be even though it may not feel that way. Everything you need to move through this chapter is with you. Our job is to help you unfold that and give a little push. We utilize an integrative and holistic approach, based on your personality, needs and area of concern. Therefore, treatment is different for each person.
(773) 786-9455 View (773) 786-9455
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Beth Holzhauer
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60645
As a culturally affirming trauma therapist, my highest intention is to restore dignity to those who have been marginalized or exiled from our human community because of their traumatic experiences. I see therapy as a journey we embark on together, where I am invited not only to tread the well-worn paths of our shared humanity, but also to walk reverently into the sacred spaces of my clients' life stories. I approach this work with humility, deep respect, and a fierce commitment to my clients' well-being. I am known to hang in there when things get tough, and I enjoy a healthy dose of playfulness and humor in every relationship.
As a culturally affirming trauma therapist, my highest intention is to restore dignity to those who have been marginalized or exiled from our human community because of their traumatic experiences. I see therapy as a journey we embark on together, where I am invited not only to tread the well-worn paths of our shared humanity, but also to walk reverently into the sacred spaces of my clients' life stories. I approach this work with humility, deep respect, and a fierce commitment to my clients' well-being. I am known to hang in there when things get tough, and I enjoy a healthy dose of playfulness and humor in every relationship.
(847) 744-9326 View (847) 744-9326
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Erin Shea Brady
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60640
Waitlist for new clients
The majority of my work centers on trauma and recovery, which can look like a lot of things. I work primarily (but not exclusively!) with LGBTQ+ individuals, neurodivergent folks, and those who have experienced addiction. My practice is strongly aligned with fat liberation and HAES (Health at Every Size). I love working with creative folks or those aiming to pursue something hard/worthwhile. I'm also available to work with other white folks who are looking to engage in anti-racist work.
The majority of my work centers on trauma and recovery, which can look like a lot of things. I work primarily (but not exclusively!) with LGBTQ+ individuals, neurodivergent folks, and those who have experienced addiction. My practice is strongly aligned with fat liberation and HAES (Health at Every Size). I love working with creative folks or those aiming to pursue something hard/worthwhile. I'm also available to work with other white folks who are looking to engage in anti-racist work.
(773) 302-1462 View (773) 302-1462
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Online EMDR with The Chicago EMDR Center
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60642  (Online Only)
Looking for premier EMDR Therapy? Most of our clients have done "talk therapy" before and are ready to take therapy to the next level and go deeper for lasting change from within. Let's transform doubt, fear, and limits... We'll reveal growth and joy! Together, we'll break through limiting beliefs, trauma, and discover what is possible. We’ll transform “bad” experiences into post-traumatic growth with EMDR. EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) is a highly effective and specialized therapy. Give yourself the gift of experiencing EMDR with a certified therapist. Let's reveal joy and help you live your best life!
Looking for premier EMDR Therapy? Most of our clients have done "talk therapy" before and are ready to take therapy to the next level and go deeper for lasting change from within. Let's transform doubt, fear, and limits... We'll reveal growth and joy! Together, we'll break through limiting beliefs, trauma, and discover what is possible. We’ll transform “bad” experiences into post-traumatic growth with EMDR. EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) is a highly effective and specialized therapy. Give yourself the gift of experiencing EMDR with a certified therapist. Let's reveal joy and help you live your best life!
(708) 578-2860 View (708) 578-2860
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Arianna R Smith
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, MPH
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60620  (Online Only)
Hello! My name is Arianna and I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who believes everyone should feel seen, heard and affirmed. My priority as a therapist is to recognize the diverse cultural backgrounds of people with the goal of integrating that understanding into effective and respectful therapeutic interventions. I believe firmly in the impacts of our pattern of thought on our behaviors and how important it is to be intentional in how we think about ourselves, speak about ourselves and treat ourselves.
Hello! My name is Arianna and I am a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who believes everyone should feel seen, heard and affirmed. My priority as a therapist is to recognize the diverse cultural backgrounds of people with the goal of integrating that understanding into effective and respectful therapeutic interventions. I believe firmly in the impacts of our pattern of thought on our behaviors and how important it is to be intentional in how we think about ourselves, speak about ourselves and treat ourselves.
(312) 465-4077 View (312) 465-4077
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Kelsey Gao
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60604
I'm drawn to working with individuals who have experienced trauma, childhood abuse, sexual abuse or domestic violence. Oftentimes, those who have endured these types of traumas end up struggling with setting boundaries and maintaining healthy relationships. I’m also passionate about working with people who are religious/spiritual or who feel their religion/spirituality may have been affected by trauma. I enjoy working with mothers to help navigate the identity shift as well as manage past childhood traumas that may come to the forefront as a result of having children.
I'm drawn to working with individuals who have experienced trauma, childhood abuse, sexual abuse or domestic violence. Oftentimes, those who have endured these types of traumas end up struggling with setting boundaries and maintaining healthy relationships. I’m also passionate about working with people who are religious/spiritual or who feel their religion/spirituality may have been affected by trauma. I enjoy working with mothers to help navigate the identity shift as well as manage past childhood traumas that may come to the forefront as a result of having children.
(872) 228-2181 View (872) 228-2181
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Devorah Sarah
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60640
I have been working with children and families for over 25 years in various capacities including as a Psychotherapist, Early Childhood Special Ed Teacher, Early Childhood Music Teacher, Professional Children’s Entertainer, and Pediatric Medical Clown. I have dedicated my practice to supporting children and families impacted by conflict, developmental, neurological, behavioral and relational issues. I am passionate about and have unique gifts in working with young children ages 2—7. Throughout therapy, I provide a safe, compassionate, non-judgmental space where clients can explore issues, challenging situations, and relationships.
I have been working with children and families for over 25 years in various capacities including as a Psychotherapist, Early Childhood Special Ed Teacher, Early Childhood Music Teacher, Professional Children’s Entertainer, and Pediatric Medical Clown. I have dedicated my practice to supporting children and families impacted by conflict, developmental, neurological, behavioral and relational issues. I am passionate about and have unique gifts in working with young children ages 2—7. Throughout therapy, I provide a safe, compassionate, non-judgmental space where clients can explore issues, challenging situations, and relationships.
(872) 266-9530 View (872) 266-9530
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Rosalind Rodgers
Counselor, LCPC, BC-DMT, GL-CMA
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60657
Welcome! I’m Rosalind Rodgers, a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor (LCPC) and Board-Certified Dance/Movement Therapist (BC-DMT) based in the Chicagoland area. As a Black female therapist, I understand the unique cultural and societal challenges that can impact mental health and well-being. My practice is dedicated to providing a safe, supportive, and empowering space for individuals, families, and communities to heal and thrive. Together, we will work on strategies that address your unique needs and goals, helping you achieve greater awareness, integration, and regulation.
Welcome! I’m Rosalind Rodgers, a Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor (LCPC) and Board-Certified Dance/Movement Therapist (BC-DMT) based in the Chicagoland area. As a Black female therapist, I understand the unique cultural and societal challenges that can impact mental health and well-being. My practice is dedicated to providing a safe, supportive, and empowering space for individuals, families, and communities to heal and thrive. Together, we will work on strategies that address your unique needs and goals, helping you achieve greater awareness, integration, and regulation.
(224) 714-0264 View (224) 714-0264
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Mind Body Connections
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60613
If you desire to build healthier relationships with your body-mind, Self and others, you are in the right place. Perhaps you've tried traditional therapy and are hitting a block or maybe you have a "loud body" that aches all the time in one way or another? The clinicians at MBC are trained in a variety of modalities to help you tap into your inner resources and find harmony with your body, mind and spirit. You will collaborate with one of our clinicians to begin on your path towards optimal health and well-being.
If you desire to build healthier relationships with your body-mind, Self and others, you are in the right place. Perhaps you've tried traditional therapy and are hitting a block or maybe you have a "loud body" that aches all the time in one way or another? The clinicians at MBC are trained in a variety of modalities to help you tap into your inner resources and find harmony with your body, mind and spirit. You will collaborate with one of our clinicians to begin on your path towards optimal health and well-being.
(312) 646-4414 View (312) 646-4414
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Dr Robert John Zagar PC A Professional
Psychologist, PhD, MPH
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60611
I discover objectively what is the issue, applying the best treatment for abuse, aging, alcohol/substance use, anger, anxiety, attention deficit, autism spectrum disorders, bereavement, cancer, career consultation, coping, criminal charges, custody, delinquency, dementia, depression, divorce, DUI, dyslexia, hyperactivity, hypnosis, individualized education plans, insomnia, job loss, learning disability, lower productivity, neuropsychological exams, panic attacks, parenting, personal injury, personality tests, post automobile accident, relationships, stress, trauma, TBI, underachievement, vocational guidance, workers compensation.
I discover objectively what is the issue, applying the best treatment for abuse, aging, alcohol/substance use, anger, anxiety, attention deficit, autism spectrum disorders, bereavement, cancer, career consultation, coping, criminal charges, custody, delinquency, dementia, depression, divorce, DUI, dyslexia, hyperactivity, hypnosis, individualized education plans, insomnia, job loss, learning disability, lower productivity, neuropsychological exams, panic attacks, parenting, personal injury, personality tests, post automobile accident, relationships, stress, trauma, TBI, underachievement, vocational guidance, workers compensation.
(312) 266-3411 View (312) 266-3411
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Cassandra Damm
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, MA
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60657
I offer therapeutic interventions with warmth and compassion, focusing on strengths to help identify opportunities for change and actualization. My primary areas of experience include depression/anxiety and other mental health concerns, substance use/recovery, and concerns related to gender or sexuality. I see therapy as a journey aiming to get deeper understanding of oneself, relationships, and the world around us.
I offer therapeutic interventions with warmth and compassion, focusing on strengths to help identify opportunities for change and actualization. My primary areas of experience include depression/anxiety and other mental health concerns, substance use/recovery, and concerns related to gender or sexuality. I see therapy as a journey aiming to get deeper understanding of oneself, relationships, and the world around us.
(708) 761-4267 View (708) 761-4267
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Betsey Zemke
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60618  (Online Only)
I have a broad range of experience with individual therapy, with personal and professional experience addressing the needs of those who are queer, trans, polyamorous, or kinky. I offer knowledgeable and affirming practice to a spectrum of folks who may struggle to find the “right fit” with their therapist. I’m committed to working with individuals within LGBTQ+ communities, particularly those who are gender expansive; other areas of focus include depression and anxiety, mood disorders, life transitions, intergenerational and complex trauma, mental health in the workplace, sexuality and health, and identity development.
I have a broad range of experience with individual therapy, with personal and professional experience addressing the needs of those who are queer, trans, polyamorous, or kinky. I offer knowledgeable and affirming practice to a spectrum of folks who may struggle to find the “right fit” with their therapist. I’m committed to working with individuals within LGBTQ+ communities, particularly those who are gender expansive; other areas of focus include depression and anxiety, mood disorders, life transitions, intergenerational and complex trauma, mental health in the workplace, sexuality and health, and identity development.
(872) 259-4554 View (872) 259-4554
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McKayla Hayse
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Chicago, IL 60622
I believe the therapeutic relationship can be a great meaningful experience and a tool you use throughout your life. I serve clients with a variety of needs including anxiety, depression, trauma, religious trauma, life transitions, codependency and family of origin. I enjoy working with women and young adults as we navigate life in an ever evolving world. I support my clients in building communication skills, bringing awareness to thought patterns and increasing confidence and self-esteem.
I believe the therapeutic relationship can be a great meaningful experience and a tool you use throughout your life. I serve clients with a variety of needs including anxiety, depression, trauma, religious trauma, life transitions, codependency and family of origin. I enjoy working with women and young adults as we navigate life in an ever evolving world. I support my clients in building communication skills, bringing awareness to thought patterns and increasing confidence and self-esteem.
(312) 487-2411 View (312) 487-2411
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Tom Undine
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Chicago, IL 60605
I provide quality mental health counseling and therapy that is thoughtfully tailored to your needs. Our work together will address concerns in an empowering and centering way that produces substantive change. My approach is connective (Therapy works best when we are able to connect and work well together) and directive (by directive I mean that I give things for you to do during the week like writing, journaling, reading, exercises, reflections, and/or activities). I'm known for being helpful with people who have been through therapy and haven't had success. I help people find aliveness, creativity, and strength.
I provide quality mental health counseling and therapy that is thoughtfully tailored to your needs. Our work together will address concerns in an empowering and centering way that produces substantive change. My approach is connective (Therapy works best when we are able to connect and work well together) and directive (by directive I mean that I give things for you to do during the week like writing, journaling, reading, exercises, reflections, and/or activities). I'm known for being helpful with people who have been through therapy and haven't had success. I help people find aliveness, creativity, and strength.
(773) 717-2920 View (773) 717-2920
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Self-Harming Therapists

How does therapy for self-harm work?

A person may turn to self-injury so that they can distract themselves from their stress, depression, anxiety, or upsetting circumstances. Therapy can address the cause of an individual’s suffering. A therapist can help a person understand why they may want to self-harm and help the person learn new methods of coping. A person may have poor emotion regulation, and treatment such as cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) is helpful for breaking this behaviour. In addition, treatment such as dialectical behavior therapy can help a person manage their tolerance of distress.

Which therapies are best for self-harm?

Specific approaches used by professionals include cognitive behavioral, dialectical behavior, psychodynamic, and mentalisation-based therapies, among others. Cognitive behavioral and dialectical behavior therapies are common approaches for people who have painful thoughts and past traumas. These therapies help an individual cope with distress, regulate emotions, and manage impulsive urges.

Does the tendency to self-harm mean the person is suicidal?

Having this urge does not mean the individual suffers from suicidal ideation. People who want to self-injure look to distract or alleviate themselves from the pain they are experiencing. People with suicidal tendencies want to end life altogether. However, this does not mean a person with the intent to self-harm will not attempt suicide.

How often and how long are therapy sessions for self-harm?

As with any type of therapy, sessions depend on the individual. Clients may see improvement within 20 sessions, at an average of 50 minutes per session, while others may opt for 20 to 30 sessions over, maybe, a six-month period. People, especially those with co-occurring conditions like depression and anxiety, may need to continue therapy for up to 12 to 18 months.