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Catherine M Houston, LPC
Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
If you're feeling at the end of your rope in your relationship with your partner, child, work, or some aspect of yourself, you may be ready to make a change. While feeling gripped by pain, fear, despair, uncertainty, doubt, and even shame feels like anything but a blessing, 5 years from now, you may look back and identify this moment as the one that positively altered the course of your life forever.
If you're feeling at the end of your rope in your relationship with your partner, child, work, or some aspect of yourself, you may be ready to make a change. While feeling gripped by pain, fear, despair, uncertainty, doubt, and even shame feels like anything but a blessing, 5 years from now, you may look back and identify this moment as the one that positively altered the course of your life forever.
(720) 408-2487 View (720) 408-2487
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Therapeutic Mentoring Services
Registered Psychotherapist, BA
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
I can best support anyone wanting to better themselves and live a life directed by their values. I will be on the ground floor with my clients supporting the structures that are needed to build life skills, create movement from stuckness and find value where they are feeling hopeless.
I can best support anyone wanting to better themselves and live a life directed by their values. I will be on the ground floor with my clients supporting the structures that are needed to build life skills, create movement from stuckness and find value where they are feeling hopeless.
(720) 699-7814 View (720) 699-7814
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Lydia Van Clief
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, LAC, NCC
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302  (Online Only)
I am a dedicated therapist with a passion for helping my clients navigate the complexities of life, find strength within themselves, and overcome the challenges of anxiety, depression and other mental health issues. I believe that everyone possesses the power to become the best version of themself, and my mission in working with you is to support you on becoming this powerful being. I aim to create a safe, non-judgmental space where you can openly express your thoughts and feelings. Together, we'll explore the root causes of your anxiety and depression, helping you gain insight into your unique experiences.
I am a dedicated therapist with a passion for helping my clients navigate the complexities of life, find strength within themselves, and overcome the challenges of anxiety, depression and other mental health issues. I believe that everyone possesses the power to become the best version of themself, and my mission in working with you is to support you on becoming this powerful being. I aim to create a safe, non-judgmental space where you can openly express your thoughts and feelings. Together, we'll explore the root causes of your anxiety and depression, helping you gain insight into your unique experiences.
(720) 790-3196 View (720) 790-3196
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Denise Barnes
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC, REV
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302  (Online Only)
Change can be hard, and therapy helps, and it doesn't have to go on for years. I'll share coping tools to handle stress fast and give you a solid foundation for life's challenges. For patterns that block your happiness, we'll use creative tools that grow your imagination and inner knowing. Clients appreciate how I help them develop their strength and peacefulness. If you've got the urge to grow, or are ready to deal with past trauma, I can help. My clients desire tools for life and are willing to practice them outside of sessions. My Stress to Strength book offers great hacks for life's challenges and setbacks. Visit SoulSavvy.net.
Change can be hard, and therapy helps, and it doesn't have to go on for years. I'll share coping tools to handle stress fast and give you a solid foundation for life's challenges. For patterns that block your happiness, we'll use creative tools that grow your imagination and inner knowing. Clients appreciate how I help them develop their strength and peacefulness. If you've got the urge to grow, or are ready to deal with past trauma, I can help. My clients desire tools for life and are willing to practice them outside of sessions. My Stress to Strength book offers great hacks for life's challenges and setbacks. Visit SoulSavvy.net.
(720) 605-6426 View (720) 605-6426
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Lisa Shanken
AADP, RYT, CPT, YTT
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
Contact me for a free 15 minute phone consultation to discover how you can benefit from my unique approach to executive functioning coaching.
Do you struggle to manage your day-to-day activities and “executive functioning” (your ability to focus, overcome distractions, stay organized, and feel a sense of accomplishment by achieving your goals)? Do you have learning differences (ADHD/ADD, non-verbal learning disorders (NVLD), processing disorders) that negatively impact your mental health struggles like addiction, anxiety, depression, and mood/personality disorders? I can empower you to master healthy habits and life skills so you can overcome these challenges, regain your self-confidence, accomplish your day-to-day goals, and set your life on a happier and healthier track
Contact me for a free 15 minute phone consultation to discover how you can benefit from my unique approach to executive functioning coaching.
Do you struggle to manage your day-to-day activities and “executive functioning” (your ability to focus, overcome distractions, stay organized, and feel a sense of accomplishment by achieving your goals)? Do you have learning differences (ADHD/ADD, non-verbal learning disorders (NVLD), processing disorders) that negatively impact your mental health struggles like addiction, anxiety, depression, and mood/personality disorders? I can empower you to master healthy habits and life skills so you can overcome these challenges, regain your self-confidence, accomplish your day-to-day goals, and set your life on a happier and healthier track
(720) 637-2588 View (720) 637-2588
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Resolve
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC, LAC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Boulder, CO 80302
You are in the right place; I am so glad you are here. My life’s calling is working with clients ready to explore their relationship with substances as well as those experiencing high conflict divorce. If your relationship with substances or your (ex)partner/coparent is getting in the way of who you want to be & what you want for your life, I will walk with you to manage & resolve the isolation, stress, & anxiety that comes with your situation. Because I have been on this exact journey, I understand the importance of having someone support you & help you find solutions in a mindful, centered, & strategic manner.
You are in the right place; I am so glad you are here. My life’s calling is working with clients ready to explore their relationship with substances as well as those experiencing high conflict divorce. If your relationship with substances or your (ex)partner/coparent is getting in the way of who you want to be & what you want for your life, I will walk with you to manage & resolve the isolation, stress, & anxiety that comes with your situation. Because I have been on this exact journey, I understand the importance of having someone support you & help you find solutions in a mindful, centered, & strategic manner.
(720) 835-1252 View (720) 835-1252
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Jordan Urban Paul
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
Navigating life is a complex and tumultuous process. Every day, we're tugged in myriad directions, confronted with decisions at every turn that ask us to balance relationships, work, self-care, and personal growth. This constant barrage of "shoulds", responsibilities, and pressures in life creates an unrelenting current of stress and anxiety and leaves us worn thin and wondering, "why is it so hard to feel good?" It's no wonder that we find ourselves grasping at food, alcohol, tv, sex, drugs, and social media to relieve this tension. However, the relief provided by such behaviors is temporary and only exacerbates the problem.
Navigating life is a complex and tumultuous process. Every day, we're tugged in myriad directions, confronted with decisions at every turn that ask us to balance relationships, work, self-care, and personal growth. This constant barrage of "shoulds", responsibilities, and pressures in life creates an unrelenting current of stress and anxiety and leaves us worn thin and wondering, "why is it so hard to feel good?" It's no wonder that we find ourselves grasping at food, alcohol, tv, sex, drugs, and social media to relieve this tension. However, the relief provided by such behaviors is temporary and only exacerbates the problem.
(720) 548-2618 View (720) 548-2618
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Mila Long: Recovery Quest Counseling
Drug & Alcohol Counselor, CAS, BST, DBTC, RP, ADS
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
I am a passionate person in recovery committed to creating health & wellness for individuals & families. As a licensed Substance Abuse Counselor, Trauma Therapist, Wellness Consultant, Family Specialist, Acupuncturist & Energy Healer, I use my expertise & personal experience to create a comfortable space to process what can be the uncomfortable parts of life. I am trained thoroughly in brain chemistry & the nervous systems, & I am passionate about empowering people to both understand & recreate their physiological responses. I also use holistic approaches to heal the mind & body simultaneously - I’m here to support your journey!
I am a passionate person in recovery committed to creating health & wellness for individuals & families. As a licensed Substance Abuse Counselor, Trauma Therapist, Wellness Consultant, Family Specialist, Acupuncturist & Energy Healer, I use my expertise & personal experience to create a comfortable space to process what can be the uncomfortable parts of life. I am trained thoroughly in brain chemistry & the nervous systems, & I am passionate about empowering people to both understand & recreate their physiological responses. I also use holistic approaches to heal the mind & body simultaneously - I’m here to support your journey!
(970) 598-0752 View (970) 598-0752
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Mike Lewis
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC, LAC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Boulder, CO 80302
You have a calling to know yourself more completely, to make lasting changes in habitual pattens, to engage in the deep healing of unconscious unfinished business, and to integrate awakened insights fully into the body, into relationships, and into your life in the world. We get to know each other to build trust, identify areas for exploration, and then we dive. The therapeutic experience involves transformational epiphanies and the processing of hidden and stuck emotions. I gently challenge my clients to lean into uncomfortable places and build the tolerance for psycho-spiritual unfolding. See my website for more information.
You have a calling to know yourself more completely, to make lasting changes in habitual pattens, to engage in the deep healing of unconscious unfinished business, and to integrate awakened insights fully into the body, into relationships, and into your life in the world. We get to know each other to build trust, identify areas for exploration, and then we dive. The therapeutic experience involves transformational epiphanies and the processing of hidden and stuck emotions. I gently challenge my clients to lean into uncomfortable places and build the tolerance for psycho-spiritual unfolding. See my website for more information.
(720) 802-5511 View (720) 802-5511
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Elizabeth Jackson
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
I have been practicing psychology very successfully in the Indianapolis/Carmel area for over 20 years. My story includes how I overcame my own struggles during a difficult divorce and the death of my father by using highly researched and validated techniques. As a result, I have mastered a clinically valid approach to overcoming life challenges. I believe my role is to serve as a facilitator to assist you in healing and realizing your true potential by developing the skill set to walk a uniquely determined path toward self-actualization.
I have been practicing psychology very successfully in the Indianapolis/Carmel area for over 20 years. My story includes how I overcame my own struggles during a difficult divorce and the death of my father by using highly researched and validated techniques. As a result, I have mastered a clinically valid approach to overcoming life challenges. I believe my role is to serve as a facilitator to assist you in healing and realizing your true potential by developing the skill set to walk a uniquely determined path toward self-actualization.
(720) 310-6351 View (720) 310-6351
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Todd A Brossart
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Boulder, CO 80302
While our thoughts influence our actions, they don’t control our actions. We don’t always consider this dynamic when we feel stuck and uncertain of how to move forward in life. If you've ever wondered if there's more to life, then I am here to assist you in discovering what's important to you, while cultivating greater self-awareness. Often it's our interpretations of what we experience that is the cause of our distress and suffering. From a mindfulness-based, acceptance and commitment approach, learn how to become open to what is present in your life, while being a willing participant to do what matters.
While our thoughts influence our actions, they don’t control our actions. We don’t always consider this dynamic when we feel stuck and uncertain of how to move forward in life. If you've ever wondered if there's more to life, then I am here to assist you in discovering what's important to you, while cultivating greater self-awareness. Often it's our interpretations of what we experience that is the cause of our distress and suffering. From a mindfulness-based, acceptance and commitment approach, learn how to become open to what is present in your life, while being a willing participant to do what matters.
(720) 961-8618 View (720) 961-8618
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Core Wellness Counseling
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Boulder, CO 80302
I'm delighted to offer a non-judgmental and safe space for you to commence your journey of self-discovery and healing, regardless of where you currently stand in life.
“One of our greatest freedoms is how we react to things.” – Charlie Mackesy. This quote has a personal significance to me because it highlights the human capacity for resilience and the ability to transform difficult experiences into opportunities for personal growth. I'm passionate about assisting individuals who may have difficulty acknowledging their strengths, and empowering them to confront challenges with confidence. In addition to providing support to individuals facing diverse challenges, I take pride in being available as a listening ear to anyone who needs it.
I'm delighted to offer a non-judgmental and safe space for you to commence your journey of self-discovery and healing, regardless of where you currently stand in life.
“One of our greatest freedoms is how we react to things.” – Charlie Mackesy. This quote has a personal significance to me because it highlights the human capacity for resilience and the ability to transform difficult experiences into opportunities for personal growth. I'm passionate about assisting individuals who may have difficulty acknowledging their strengths, and empowering them to confront challenges with confidence. In addition to providing support to individuals facing diverse challenges, I take pride in being available as a listening ear to anyone who needs it.
(720) 571-8931 View (720) 571-8931
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Jeffrey James Howard
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Boulder, CO 80302
If you are hungry for more in your life, more joy, gratification, connection, intimacy, nuance, then reach out to me.
Are you ready to be transformed by this work? Are you ready for deep, lasting change? Do you have a nagging sense that there's more you need to experience & offer? If some or all of these are true of you, we may be a fit. If you're willing to humbly SHOW UP to the work, learn & grow, be accountable, especially when it's hard, let’s talk. I’m a guide, coach, & mentor that helps people like you find their soul's purpose & the work that’s yours to do, while cultivating more aliveness & deep, meaningful connections with those you're closest to & with the natural world. If this feels like you, reach out to me; we've got good work to do.
If you are hungry for more in your life, more joy, gratification, connection, intimacy, nuance, then reach out to me.
Are you ready to be transformed by this work? Are you ready for deep, lasting change? Do you have a nagging sense that there's more you need to experience & offer? If some or all of these are true of you, we may be a fit. If you're willing to humbly SHOW UP to the work, learn & grow, be accountable, especially when it's hard, let’s talk. I’m a guide, coach, & mentor that helps people like you find their soul's purpose & the work that’s yours to do, while cultivating more aliveness & deep, meaningful connections with those you're closest to & with the natural world. If this feels like you, reach out to me; we've got good work to do.
(720) 551-7457 View (720) 551-7457
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Matthew Holloran
Licensed Professional Counselor, JD, LPC, CACIII
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
Life is full of ups and downs and neither need be feared. Despite our best efforts, we cannot avoid suffering. Successful therapy helps clients learn to understand our lives. It can help us learn to recognize patterns of seeking safety at the cost of aliveness. My clients often are seeking relief from anxiety and stress, or working with specific challenges, including substance abuse, relationship challenges, career difficulties and life transitions. I work with individuals who are seeking to develop greater spiritual awareness and more joy in life. If you are looking change careers or want to find meaning in life, I can help.
Life is full of ups and downs and neither need be feared. Despite our best efforts, we cannot avoid suffering. Successful therapy helps clients learn to understand our lives. It can help us learn to recognize patterns of seeking safety at the cost of aliveness. My clients often are seeking relief from anxiety and stress, or working with specific challenges, including substance abuse, relationship challenges, career difficulties and life transitions. I work with individuals who are seeking to develop greater spiritual awareness and more joy in life. If you are looking change careers or want to find meaning in life, I can help.
(720) 506-3673 View (720) 506-3673
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Cyndi Rutledge
Psychologist, EdD, CACIII
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
In my work with college students, I have helped many clients with ADD/ADHD develop the skills they need to be successful in school and life.
Are you feeling overwhelmed, anxious, sad or hopeless? Having trouble with substance abuse? My practice focuses on helping adults of all ages struggling with substance abuse, relationship problems, trauma, depression and anxiety. Providing a safe, stress-free, accepting environment, I will help guide you toward relief and success in your daily life. I have experience working with young men and women in college and men and women of all ages on their personal struggles. I hope you will allow me help you take control of your life and become the happy, content and motivated person you are meant to be.
In my work with college students, I have helped many clients with ADD/ADHD develop the skills they need to be successful in school and life.
Are you feeling overwhelmed, anxious, sad or hopeless? Having trouble with substance abuse? My practice focuses on helping adults of all ages struggling with substance abuse, relationship problems, trauma, depression and anxiety. Providing a safe, stress-free, accepting environment, I will help guide you toward relief and success in your daily life. I have experience working with young men and women in college and men and women of all ages on their personal struggles. I hope you will allow me help you take control of your life and become the happy, content and motivated person you are meant to be.
(720) 213-5748 View (720) 213-5748
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Julian Royce
Counselor, MA, LPC, MI
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
I am committed to freeing the blockages in your life, relationships, passions and work. I support individuals & couples using mindfulness, somatic and experiential techniques that access deeper material than is usually accessed through traditional talk therapy alone. I have substantial experience working with anxiety, trauma, grief, depression and relationship issues. It takes true courage to reach out for support but finding the right support is even more important. Because the most important factor in success in therapy is the personal relationship we have with each other, I see this work as a mutual process we co-create together.
I am committed to freeing the blockages in your life, relationships, passions and work. I support individuals & couples using mindfulness, somatic and experiential techniques that access deeper material than is usually accessed through traditional talk therapy alone. I have substantial experience working with anxiety, trauma, grief, depression and relationship issues. It takes true courage to reach out for support but finding the right support is even more important. Because the most important factor in success in therapy is the personal relationship we have with each other, I see this work as a mutual process we co-create together.
(720) 897-0839 View (720) 897-0839
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Daniel Warsaw Minerva
Psychologist, PhD, MA, MBA
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
Together, we continually adjust your healing plan until we remove what stands between you and the life you wanted to live.
Right Psychologist for You! I am the right psychologist for you because we are going to do everything in our power to make your therapy a success. You and I achieve what you need and want now and in the future. We integrate your social, psychological, and emotional well-being. Your treatment equips you with the required training to overcome current and unfolding adversity when encountered. Evidence-based clinical practice enables you to repel anxiety, addiction, depression, relationship, and trauma issues. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, and Descriptive Psychology remove your remaining concerns.
Together, we continually adjust your healing plan until we remove what stands between you and the life you wanted to live.
Right Psychologist for You! I am the right psychologist for you because we are going to do everything in our power to make your therapy a success. You and I achieve what you need and want now and in the future. We integrate your social, psychological, and emotional well-being. Your treatment equips you with the required training to overcome current and unfolding adversity when encountered. Evidence-based clinical practice enables you to repel anxiety, addiction, depression, relationship, and trauma issues. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, and Descriptive Psychology remove your remaining concerns.
(720) 796-4547 View (720) 796-4547
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Dan Ronken
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, LAC, LPCC, LADC
Verified Verified
Boulder, CO 80302
Are you looking to deepen your recovery? Tired of the one-size-fits-all approach? My practice offers ketamine-assisted psychotherapy as well as psychotherapy for addiction recovery. You’ve likely been through a lot and might be having a tough time identifying what’s getting in the way of making it through these tough times. Or maybe you have an idea of what’s happening and just unsure how to proceed. Ketamine can act as a catalyst for deep healing. Individual differences matter and together we can explore ideas and implement solutions for healing based on the context of your life situation.
Are you looking to deepen your recovery? Tired of the one-size-fits-all approach? My practice offers ketamine-assisted psychotherapy as well as psychotherapy for addiction recovery. You’ve likely been through a lot and might be having a tough time identifying what’s getting in the way of making it through these tough times. Or maybe you have an idea of what’s happening and just unsure how to proceed. Ketamine can act as a catalyst for deep healing. Individual differences matter and together we can explore ideas and implement solutions for healing based on the context of your life situation.
(720) 897-0143 View (720) 897-0143
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ARISE® Network
Registered Psychotherapist, MD, CAI, CIP, CFLE
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Boulder, CO 80302
We specialize in helping individuals and families with long-term healing and recovery from addiction, behavioral compulsions, mental health challenges, and other acute, chronic and relapsing illnesses. We practice Invitational Intervention®, ARISE® Continuing Care with Intervention, which is Evidence-Based and proven to be effective. We match the Certified ARISE® Interventionists to the specific needs of the client and the family and are well connected to the best treatment centers across the country. We offer consultation, case management, safe transportation across transitions (geographic, family relationships and emotional), coaching, companionship (sober and mental health companions), placement and treatment advice and intervention.
We specialize in helping individuals and families with long-term healing and recovery from addiction, behavioral compulsions, mental health challenges, and other acute, chronic and relapsing illnesses. We practice Invitational Intervention®, ARISE® Continuing Care with Intervention, which is Evidence-Based and proven to be effective. We match the Certified ARISE® Interventionists to the specific needs of the client and the family and are well connected to the best treatment centers across the country. We offer consultation, case management, safe transportation across transitions (geographic, family relationships and emotional), coaching, companionship (sober and mental health companions), placement and treatment advice and intervention.
(720) 549-9825 View (720) 549-9825
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Laura Travisano
Licensed Professional Counselor Candidate, MA, LPCC, ADDC
Verified Verified
12 Endorsed
Boulder, CO 80302
I believe we all deserve the opportunity to change the aspects of our life that are no longer serving us.
I believe true connection and healing are possible, and that therapy holds the capacity for profound transformation. We'll work within a supportive and accepting environment navigating areas relating to belonging, past trauma, owning the strength of sensitivity and confidence in self expression. I specialize in supporting identities and interests such as high sensitivity, low self esteem and self worth, spirituality, codependency, childhood emotional neglect, addiction, adult children and siblings of substance users, life transitions, anxiety, depression, loneliness, and Bipolar disorder.
I believe we all deserve the opportunity to change the aspects of our life that are no longer serving us.
I believe true connection and healing are possible, and that therapy holds the capacity for profound transformation. We'll work within a supportive and accepting environment navigating areas relating to belonging, past trauma, owning the strength of sensitivity and confidence in self expression. I specialize in supporting identities and interests such as high sensitivity, low self esteem and self worth, spirituality, codependency, childhood emotional neglect, addiction, adult children and siblings of substance users, life transitions, anxiety, depression, loneliness, and Bipolar disorder.
(720) 794-5869 View (720) 794-5869
Life Coaching Therapists

What can I expect from life coaching?

Clients and coaches will typically start by identifying the problem area(s) that the client hopes to address—then, the coach will help the client brainstorm potential solutions and explore concrete techniques to help the client attain their goals. Coaching is typically short-term and focused on finding solutions in the here and now, rather than exploring a client’s past. In addition to strategies aimed at the client’s specific concerns, coaches may encourage general stress management techniques such as meditation.

Can a life coach help treat anxiety?

Because the majority of life coaches are not licensed clinicians, they are not qualified to diagnose or treat anxiety. Anyone struggling with anxiety or another mental health condition should seek help from a licensed mental health practitioner. However, some coaching clients who struggle with subclinical anxiety report that working with their coach on other problems—such as career dissatisfaction or unhealthy habits—has a positive effect on their anxiety.

Can life coaching be done online?

Yes. While life coaching often happens in person, many coaches conduct sessions over the phone or via online platforms such as Zoom or Skype. Because life coaches are not subject to local licensing regulations in the same way that therapists are, they are able to see clients who live in other locations.

How long does life coaching last?

Life coaching tends to be a shorter-term process than therapy, though it does not always unfold over a specific period of time and is instead based on the coach’s or the client’s preferences. Coaching often takes place over three to 12 months but may be shorter or longer if necessary.