Eating Disorders Therapists in 84062

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Marki Thompson
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
7 Endorsed
I also specialize in working with individuals with Eating Disorders.
Hi! I’m Marki and I want to be your new therapist! I’m kind, compassionate, and sassy. If that sounds like your kind of therapist then read on my friend. I’ve found that everyone wants to belong to something. Many of us spend years searching for what that is without realizing it already exists. I’m passionate about helping people find where they belong and how to use that to fulfill their purpose in life. I love helping others to be vulnerable and working through shame (it sucks, but you gotta do it). I believe it’s vital to implement self compassion in your life as well as introducing productive change that YOU are in charge of.
I also specialize in working with individuals with Eating Disorders.
Hi! I’m Marki and I want to be your new therapist! I’m kind, compassionate, and sassy. If that sounds like your kind of therapist then read on my friend. I’ve found that everyone wants to belong to something. Many of us spend years searching for what that is without realizing it already exists. I’m passionate about helping people find where they belong and how to use that to fulfill their purpose in life. I love helping others to be vulnerable and working through shame (it sucks, but you gotta do it). I believe it’s vital to implement self compassion in your life as well as introducing productive change that YOU are in charge of.
(385) 278-0183 View (385) 278-0183
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Jessica C Gilliland
Marriage & Family Therapist, MS, LMFT
Verified Verified
I specialize in treating eating disorders, body image disturbances, and other related concerns.
I believe in the power of strong relationships. Whether you are seeking to improve your relationship with yourself, your spouse, your children, or others, therapy can help you work toward the growth you are hoping for. The decision to go to therapy can be daunting, and I am committed to doing all I can to make our meetings worthwhile. I prioritize forming an honest, compassionate, and empowering alliance with each of my clients, while using research-based treatment methods to facilitate clients' progress and healing.
I specialize in treating eating disorders, body image disturbances, and other related concerns.
I believe in the power of strong relationships. Whether you are seeking to improve your relationship with yourself, your spouse, your children, or others, therapy can help you work toward the growth you are hoping for. The decision to go to therapy can be daunting, and I am committed to doing all I can to make our meetings worthwhile. I prioritize forming an honest, compassionate, and empowering alliance with each of my clients, while using research-based treatment methods to facilitate clients' progress and healing.
(801) 797-3429 View (801) 797-3429
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Lexie Kattelman | Eating Disorder Therapist
Pre-Licensed Professional, CMHCi
Verified Verified
5 Endorsed
Giving ourselves permission to feel is the first step towards being kind to our minds. Therapy is for everyone. Whether you are feeling burnt out, overwhelmed, sad, frustrated, or confused, you're not alone. My goal is to create a space that is welcoming and non-judgmental where you feel heard, validated, and safe. Together, we can celebrate your authenticity and find empowerment for a life full of meaning. I love working with children and teens who are experiencing anxiety, depression, perfectionism, faith transitions, eating disorders, body image, and LGBTQ+ issues.
Giving ourselves permission to feel is the first step towards being kind to our minds. Therapy is for everyone. Whether you are feeling burnt out, overwhelmed, sad, frustrated, or confused, you're not alone. My goal is to create a space that is welcoming and non-judgmental where you feel heard, validated, and safe. Together, we can celebrate your authenticity and find empowerment for a life full of meaning. I love working with children and teens who are experiencing anxiety, depression, perfectionism, faith transitions, eating disorders, body image, and LGBTQ+ issues.
(385) 832-6052 View (385) 832-6052
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Melissa H Smith
Psychologist, PhD, CEDS, MBA
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Balance Health & Healing is made up of mental health professionals committed to providing specialized treatment for those struggling with eating disorders and associated concerns. As a private, specialized clinic, we have the ability to provide tailored services to those striving to find balance in all facets of their lives. For many who struggle with eating disorders, true healing can seem elusive. Yet, healing is real and can be achieved. It often takes diligent, focused work with a specialized treatment team. Balance Health & Healing strives to partner with those seeking peace, health and healing in their lives.
Balance Health & Healing is made up of mental health professionals committed to providing specialized treatment for those struggling with eating disorders and associated concerns. As a private, specialized clinic, we have the ability to provide tailored services to those striving to find balance in all facets of their lives. For many who struggle with eating disorders, true healing can seem elusive. Yet, healing is real and can be achieved. It often takes diligent, focused work with a specialized treatment team. Balance Health & Healing strives to partner with those seeking peace, health and healing in their lives.
(801) 663-7907 View (801) 663-7907
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Susan Barrus
Counselor, MA, CMHC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
I am passionate about women’s issues and am trained in perinatal mental health, postpartum mood disorders, trauma, and EMDR, eating disorders, and autism spectrum disorders.
I love helping people, analogies, and hiking up mountains. Life sometimes gives us metaphorical mountains we wouldn’t choose. If you are facing such a mountain, the brave next step is finding someone to help navigate the hard parts, and help you find your strength. I know you can do it and I know there is beauty and growth in the journey. I’m honored to “hike” with you in a safe, accepting, collaborative partnership. You have it in you to overcome hardships and accomplish what you most want. I use a person-centered, trauma- and developmentally-informed approach.
I am passionate about women’s issues and am trained in perinatal mental health, postpartum mood disorders, trauma, and EMDR, eating disorders, and autism spectrum disorders.
I love helping people, analogies, and hiking up mountains. Life sometimes gives us metaphorical mountains we wouldn’t choose. If you are facing such a mountain, the brave next step is finding someone to help navigate the hard parts, and help you find your strength. I know you can do it and I know there is beauty and growth in the journey. I’m honored to “hike” with you in a safe, accepting, collaborative partnership. You have it in you to overcome hardships and accomplish what you most want. I use a person-centered, trauma- and developmentally-informed approach.
(385) 255-7252 View (385) 255-7252
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Melissa Doty
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, MPH
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
I have extensive experience in the treatment of eating disorders, chronic illness management and in treating depression and anxiety.
If you're feeling as though life isn't how you want it to be, you're stuck in a rut and are unsure how to change, maybe you feel as though there has to be more to the life you're currently living. It can be frustrating and overwhelming to try and create something different. I want to help you figure out what the next steps are in moving forward to find the peace and happiness that is waiting for you. I love to help clients create a life worth living and find ways to move through the painful emotions that they struggle with on a regular basis. There is hope and healing for you!
I have extensive experience in the treatment of eating disorders, chronic illness management and in treating depression and anxiety.
If you're feeling as though life isn't how you want it to be, you're stuck in a rut and are unsure how to change, maybe you feel as though there has to be more to the life you're currently living. It can be frustrating and overwhelming to try and create something different. I want to help you figure out what the next steps are in moving forward to find the peace and happiness that is waiting for you. I love to help clients create a life worth living and find ways to move through the painful emotions that they struggle with on a regular basis. There is hope and healing for you!
(385) 284-7461 View (385) 284-7461
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Jessica Furner
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Accepting New Clients! (Telehealth & In Person) I love working with all different groups of people. I can assist in helping children, teenagers, adults, and couples. I have been trained in EMDR, DNMS, IFS, trauma, anxiety, depression, emotional and sexual abuse, and attachment issues. I can also treat adolescent issues, OCD, PTSD, eating disorders, and social anxiety. If you have had trauma in your past including trauma due to sexual, narcissistic, or emotional abuse I can help! I use a variety of tools to ensure each client receives what they need. Call my office today to book with me and get started on your healing journey!
Accepting New Clients! (Telehealth & In Person) I love working with all different groups of people. I can assist in helping children, teenagers, adults, and couples. I have been trained in EMDR, DNMS, IFS, trauma, anxiety, depression, emotional and sexual abuse, and attachment issues. I can also treat adolescent issues, OCD, PTSD, eating disorders, and social anxiety. If you have had trauma in your past including trauma due to sexual, narcissistic, or emotional abuse I can help! I use a variety of tools to ensure each client receives what they need. Call my office today to book with me and get started on your healing journey!
(801) 516-4106 View (801) 516-4106
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Jess Wyly
Pre-Licensed Professional, CSW
Verified Verified
My name is Jess and I would feel privileged to join you in your healing journey. I am eager to help clients through all phases and challenges that life may present. As a clinician I specialize in helping clients with eating disorders, substance abuse, and other mental health issues. I seek to create an inclusive environment where all clients feel safe and heard throughout the healing process. I utilize a variety of treatment modalities with an emphasis on Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Internal Family Systems (IFS), and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT).
My name is Jess and I would feel privileged to join you in your healing journey. I am eager to help clients through all phases and challenges that life may present. As a clinician I specialize in helping clients with eating disorders, substance abuse, and other mental health issues. I seek to create an inclusive environment where all clients feel safe and heard throughout the healing process. I utilize a variety of treatment modalities with an emphasis on Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR), Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT), Internal Family Systems (IFS), and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT).
(385) 442-7271 View (385) 442-7271
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Allyson Evans
Marriage & Family Therapist, MMFT, LMFT
Verified Verified
23 Endorsed
I seek to empower my clients to make positive lasting change. I work with individuals, couples, and families dealing with addiction, betrayal trauma, illness, depression, eating disorders, postpartum depression and anxiety. I specialize in addiction recovery treatment and betrayal trauma recovery and I am passionate about raising awareness of the negative impacts of pornography addiction on society. I also understand how addiction and trauma impact the dynamics of a relationship.
I seek to empower my clients to make positive lasting change. I work with individuals, couples, and families dealing with addiction, betrayal trauma, illness, depression, eating disorders, postpartum depression and anxiety. I specialize in addiction recovery treatment and betrayal trauma recovery and I am passionate about raising awareness of the negative impacts of pornography addiction on society. I also understand how addiction and trauma impact the dynamics of a relationship.
(801) 658-9653 View (801) 658-9653
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Kristy Grass
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
I specialize in fostering connection that leads to lasting change for clients working through LGBTQIA+ issues, faith transitions, trauma, treatment-resistant depression, and eating disorders.
Scrolling through the Psychology Today profiles and feeling overwhelmed about finding the right therapist? I get it. Choosing the right therapist is hard! You might be telling yourself that you are broken, lazy, and unlovable. I understand those shameful voices too well, and how they can impact how we view the world. Despite the challenges, I want to congratulate you on taking the first step towards quieting those voices by finding a therapist! You're taking the first step towards healing! As a Marriage and Family Therapist, I'm invested in helping you along the way.
I specialize in fostering connection that leads to lasting change for clients working through LGBTQIA+ issues, faith transitions, trauma, treatment-resistant depression, and eating disorders.
Scrolling through the Psychology Today profiles and feeling overwhelmed about finding the right therapist? I get it. Choosing the right therapist is hard! You might be telling yourself that you are broken, lazy, and unlovable. I understand those shameful voices too well, and how they can impact how we view the world. Despite the challenges, I want to congratulate you on taking the first step towards quieting those voices by finding a therapist! You're taking the first step towards healing! As a Marriage and Family Therapist, I'm invested in helping you along the way.
(385) 331-7151 View (385) 331-7151
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Brody Bates
Counselor, CMHC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
I work with clients suffering from depression, addictions, anxiety, trauma, family conflict, grief and loss, coping skills, identity, spirituality, stress, self harm, suicidal ideation, eating disorders, gender issues, anger, relationship problems, and more.
Welcome to Summit View Counseling! We have several great professionals on our team to support and assist you. I have personally worked in the mental health field in various capacities for 17 years. I have come to understand the needs of individuals, couples, and families as they face challenges which can seem overwhelming.  I appreciate the impact of evidenced based psychotherapies in helping the clients I work with achieve the results they are seeking. I also recognize the power of being present and flexible as needs in treatment evolve.
I work with clients suffering from depression, addictions, anxiety, trauma, family conflict, grief and loss, coping skills, identity, spirituality, stress, self harm, suicidal ideation, eating disorders, gender issues, anger, relationship problems, and more.
Welcome to Summit View Counseling! We have several great professionals on our team to support and assist you. I have personally worked in the mental health field in various capacities for 17 years. I have come to understand the needs of individuals, couples, and families as they face challenges which can seem overwhelming.  I appreciate the impact of evidenced based psychotherapies in helping the clients I work with achieve the results they are seeking. I also recognize the power of being present and flexible as needs in treatment evolve.
(385) 217-6293 View (385) 217-6293
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Alyson Watkins
Counselor, MS, CMHC
Verified Verified
20 Endorsed
With a lifelong passion for helping people who are struggling, I value strong, empathic listening skills and helping my clients look for effective solutions in their lives. I specialize in working with those suffering with anxiety, depression, postpartum depression and anxiety, relationship difficulties, trauma and addictions. I also work with women's issues such as self-esteem, shame, and body image.
With a lifelong passion for helping people who are struggling, I value strong, empathic listening skills and helping my clients look for effective solutions in their lives. I specialize in working with those suffering with anxiety, depression, postpartum depression and anxiety, relationship difficulties, trauma and addictions. I also work with women's issues such as self-esteem, shame, and body image.
(801) 874-2739 View (801) 874-2739
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Mike Cox
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Today you are one step closer to a new you where you feel empowered and on a positive path to growth and well-being. As a therapist, my goal is to help you uncover your true potential and lead a life that is worth celebrating. While we can't change difficult situations of the past, we can work together to better understand and resolve challenges in your life. By applying complementary therapy approaches and techniques, we will unearth long-standing behavior patterns or negative perceptions that may be holding you back from experiencing a more fulfilling and meaningful life.
Today you are one step closer to a new you where you feel empowered and on a positive path to growth and well-being. As a therapist, my goal is to help you uncover your true potential and lead a life that is worth celebrating. While we can't change difficult situations of the past, we can work together to better understand and resolve challenges in your life. By applying complementary therapy approaches and techniques, we will unearth long-standing behavior patterns or negative perceptions that may be holding you back from experiencing a more fulfilling and meaningful life.
(801) 658-9600 View (801) 658-9600
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Austin Passey
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, CSW
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Now Accepting NEW clients! (In Person and Telehealth Available). I treat adults, teens and children. I love coming up with creative ways to make therapy fun and productive! I treat pornography addiction and video game addiction as well as anxiety, depression, OCD, ADHD, autism, parent/teen relationship issues, and more. I can also help attachment issues as well as trauma and adjustments to life/divorce. I can provide immediate help to those dealing with the effects of PTSD or trauma. I am EMDR trained.
Now Accepting NEW clients! (In Person and Telehealth Available). I treat adults, teens and children. I love coming up with creative ways to make therapy fun and productive! I treat pornography addiction and video game addiction as well as anxiety, depression, OCD, ADHD, autism, parent/teen relationship issues, and more. I can also help attachment issues as well as trauma and adjustments to life/divorce. I can provide immediate help to those dealing with the effects of PTSD or trauma. I am EMDR trained.
(385) 475-2419 View (385) 475-2419
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Jennifer Howard
Counselor, MS, CMHC
Verified Verified
Whatever life challenges you may be facing, a crucial step toward resolution and healing is to find a compassionate, listening ear, and a safe place where you can be yourself. Whether you are searching for healing for yourself or a loved one, I can help. I value and respect diversity. I believe each person has the power to heal his or her life. I care about what you are going through and I want to hear your story.
Whatever life challenges you may be facing, a crucial step toward resolution and healing is to find a compassionate, listening ear, and a safe place where you can be yourself. Whether you are searching for healing for yourself or a loved one, I can help. I value and respect diversity. I believe each person has the power to heal his or her life. I care about what you are going through and I want to hear your story.
(801) 948-3855 View (801) 948-3855
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Stephanie L. Gardner
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, MSW
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
I specialize in helping families, couples and individuals. I am also trained in helping single adults, adolescents, children and those in emotionally abusive situations. I am trained in many therapy techniques including EMDR, DBT, CBT, DNMS, and attachment based therapy among others. I am IFS informed. I use a variety of tools and techniques to ensure each client has a personally tailored experience. Therapy doesn't have to take years - you can be on your way to a healthier happier way of relating to people and the world around you sooner than you may think.
I specialize in helping families, couples and individuals. I am also trained in helping single adults, adolescents, children and those in emotionally abusive situations. I am trained in many therapy techniques including EMDR, DBT, CBT, DNMS, and attachment based therapy among others. I am IFS informed. I use a variety of tools and techniques to ensure each client has a personally tailored experience. Therapy doesn't have to take years - you can be on your way to a healthier happier way of relating to people and the world around you sooner than you may think.
(801) 528-6942 View (801) 528-6942
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Logan Staheli
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MS , LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Currently Accepting NEW Clients. In person and telehealth sessions available. I am trained in EMDR and Attachment EMDR. I can help with many issues including: depression, anxiety, trauma, OCD, substance abuse, pornography addiction recovery, and complex trauma. I use a myriad of tools and techniques to ensure each client as a personally tailored experience. I am experienced in helping individuals, families and couples. If you've been struggling to climb out of your feelings of depression or anxiety, or have some trauma in your past you want or need to resolve please call, I can help. I look forward to meeting you.
Currently Accepting NEW Clients. In person and telehealth sessions available. I am trained in EMDR and Attachment EMDR. I can help with many issues including: depression, anxiety, trauma, OCD, substance abuse, pornography addiction recovery, and complex trauma. I use a myriad of tools and techniques to ensure each client as a personally tailored experience. I am experienced in helping individuals, families and couples. If you've been struggling to climb out of your feelings of depression or anxiety, or have some trauma in your past you want or need to resolve please call, I can help. I look forward to meeting you.
(801) 701-3282 View (801) 701-3282
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Cassie Norton
Mental Health Counselor, MS, ACMHC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Have you ever felt like you are not good enough? Or felt like you have to be perfect to be loved and accepted? It is my belief that healing happens is safe spaces. In therapy I put an emphasis on person-centered therapy while also incorporating modalities such as emotion focused therapy and internal family systems. My approach is rooted in the belief that human beings are hard-wired for connection. What can be difficult about connecting with people is allowing yourself to be vulnerable enough to be seen in all of life’s messiness. By letting your walls down, you can work towards authentic connection.
Have you ever felt like you are not good enough? Or felt like you have to be perfect to be loved and accepted? It is my belief that healing happens is safe spaces. In therapy I put an emphasis on person-centered therapy while also incorporating modalities such as emotion focused therapy and internal family systems. My approach is rooted in the belief that human beings are hard-wired for connection. What can be difficult about connecting with people is allowing yourself to be vulnerable enough to be seen in all of life’s messiness. By letting your walls down, you can work towards authentic connection.
(801) 682-1625 View (801) 682-1625
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Isabel Otanez-Ortiz
Counselor, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
I know that sometimes in life we reach a point where we feel stuck, but there is hope. My ideal patient is focused upon personal growth and healing. Whether it’s depression, anxiety, trauma recovery, couples and marriage concerns, OCD, among other issues we face in life, therapy can help. You don't have to do this alone. You are probably looking for a way to break these patterns, and there is. I help clients work through trauma and leave the unhealthy patterns that may have been useful for them in the past, but are now getting in the way of the life they want to live.
I know that sometimes in life we reach a point where we feel stuck, but there is hope. My ideal patient is focused upon personal growth and healing. Whether it’s depression, anxiety, trauma recovery, couples and marriage concerns, OCD, among other issues we face in life, therapy can help. You don't have to do this alone. You are probably looking for a way to break these patterns, and there is. I help clients work through trauma and leave the unhealthy patterns that may have been useful for them in the past, but are now getting in the way of the life they want to live.
(385) 324-3942 View (385) 324-3942
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Marisa T Silva
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
I have been a therapist for 30 years working with most areas of difficulty that impact a client's life. Sometime it feels like no one can understand you or your pain or can help. Often small adjustments are all that are needed to untap the answers and strengths that are inside. I believe in your ability to be able to use your strength. Partner with me to find a way to overcome the difficulty you are facing. If you are ready to make a change in your life lets get started.
I have been a therapist for 30 years working with most areas of difficulty that impact a client's life. Sometime it feels like no one can understand you or your pain or can help. Often small adjustments are all that are needed to untap the answers and strengths that are inside. I believe in your ability to be able to use your strength. Partner with me to find a way to overcome the difficulty you are facing. If you are ready to make a change in your life lets get started.
(801) 341-2069 View (801) 341-2069
Eating Disorders Therapists

What happens in therapy for eating disorders?

In therapy for eating disorders, patients typically describe their eating and exercise behaviors, their patterns of eating in relation to stress, their beliefs about their body, the ways their eating behavior affects their relationships, and their desire (or lack of it) to change. Such information helps the therapist understand the origins of the disorder and the role it plays in the patient’s life, important for guiding treatment. Attitudes and feelings about food and eating, body weight, and physical appearance are common topics of discussion throughout treatment.

What therapy types help with eating disorders?

Once any acute medical or psychiatric emergency is resolved, psychoactive medication is often prescribed, requiring the supervision of a psychiatrist. In addition, patients receive some form of nutritional counseling along with one or more forms of psychotherapy. For adolescents, family-based treatment is empirically validated and considered the first line of treatment; parents and their children meet weekly with a clinician as the adults are coached on how to nourish and psychologically support the young patient. Adults typically receive some form of individual psychotherapy, intended to resolve the cognitive and behavioral disturbances that underlie the disorder and to relieve the mood disturbances that accompany it. In addition, patients may also be helped by group therapy.

What is the goal of therapy for eating disorders?

The most immediate goal of treatment for eating disorders is to save the life of people who are on a path of starving themselves to death or engaging in eating patterns that are doing irreparable physical harm to their body. Once the acute medical danger is past, therapy is required to understand the nature of the disordered eating and/or exercise patterns, establish healthy eating behavior, and to tackle the many erroneous beliefs and distorted self-perceptions that underlie eating disorders and continue to pose a threat to health and life. Therapy also addresses the impaired mood that not only accompanies eating disorders but intensifies the danger to health and life.

What are the limitations of therapy for eating disorders?

Therapy can be very helpful for eating disorders—but that can happen only after people recognize they have a condition that must be treated. Especially with anorexia, the distortions in self-image that accompany the disorder can keep people from acknowledging they have a problem. Individuals may in fact see their eating disorder as a badge of self-control. Those with binge-eating disorder may feel too ashamed to seek help. Therapy cannot help those who do not avail themselves of it.

How long does therapy last for eating disorders?

Because of their complexity, recovery from eating disorders is usually a long-term process—measured in months and years— often marked by setbacks and relapse. Some form of help, such as individual or group therapy, may be advisable for much of that time. It is a general rule of thumb that the longer the illness has endured and the dysregulated eating behavior has taken root, the longer treatment is likely to be needed.