Depression Therapists in Mequon, WI

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Cara Raymond
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
I work with individuals struggling with anxiety/stress, depression, relationship difficulties, life transitions, personal growth, changing ineffective patterns, self esteem, trauma/abuse, balancing multiple demands, and women's issues.
I strongly believe you should feel comfortable with the therapist you choose and hopeful about therapy. When you feel this way, therapy is more likely to be beneficial to you. I treat each person I work with as an individual, with your own unique experiences and circumstances. Collaboratively, we decide what problems we will work on and the type of work we will do to facilitate change, healing, and growth. For new clients, I offer a free initial consultation by phone. This gives us a chance to see if we would feel comfortable working together.
I work with individuals struggling with anxiety/stress, depression, relationship difficulties, life transitions, personal growth, changing ineffective patterns, self esteem, trauma/abuse, balancing multiple demands, and women's issues.
I strongly believe you should feel comfortable with the therapist you choose and hopeful about therapy. When you feel this way, therapy is more likely to be beneficial to you. I treat each person I work with as an individual, with your own unique experiences and circumstances. Collaboratively, we decide what problems we will work on and the type of work we will do to facilitate change, healing, and growth. For new clients, I offer a free initial consultation by phone. This gives us a chance to see if we would feel comfortable working together.
(847) 512-8702 View (847) 512-8702
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Deborah Lynn Sokolowski
Licensed Professional Counselor, MS, LPC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Mequon, WI 53097
I have experience working with addiction, depression, anxiety, and trauma in residential, partial hospital, and private practice settings.
You feel anxious and overwhelmed. You are tired of feeling out of control. You have people counting on you and you feel lost as you struggle to keep it all together. You are ready to enjoy your life but you don't know how. What you are feeling is normal and it can be managed. We all need a little help sometimes.
I have experience working with addiction, depression, anxiety, and trauma in residential, partial hospital, and private practice settings.
You feel anxious and overwhelmed. You are tired of feeling out of control. You have people counting on you and you feel lost as you struggle to keep it all together. You are ready to enjoy your life but you don't know how. What you are feeling is normal and it can be managed. We all need a little help sometimes.
(262) 205-6798 View (262) 205-6798
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Bodhi Counseling Services LLC
Licensed Professional Counselor, MS, LPC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Mequon, WI 53092
Using a person-centered, holistic approach, I've helped survivors of sexual, physical, and emotional trauma, PTSD, individuals struggling with identity issues, anxiety, depression, marginalization, and career challenges.
Bodhi: "Awakening" or "enlightenment" . Humans have an innate need for connection. We long to be acknowledged, accepted, and understood. Often, however, we move through life unsure of who we really are and how to form genuine connections with others. We shape-shift to fit the mold of others' expectations which can lead to feelings of fear, resentment, and anger. This disconnect can cause interpersonal conflict and impact our families, friendships, and careers. Sometimes it feels as if we stumble through life with no direction. What would it mean to have a sense of awakening to oneself? to be enlightened to the authentic you?
Using a person-centered, holistic approach, I've helped survivors of sexual, physical, and emotional trauma, PTSD, individuals struggling with identity issues, anxiety, depression, marginalization, and career challenges.
Bodhi: "Awakening" or "enlightenment" . Humans have an innate need for connection. We long to be acknowledged, accepted, and understood. Often, however, we move through life unsure of who we really are and how to form genuine connections with others. We shape-shift to fit the mold of others' expectations which can lead to feelings of fear, resentment, and anger. This disconnect can cause interpersonal conflict and impact our families, friendships, and careers. Sometimes it feels as if we stumble through life with no direction. What would it mean to have a sense of awakening to oneself? to be enlightened to the authentic you?
(262) 999-7273 View (262) 999-7273
Sara Grossbier
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Sara Grossbier is a Licensed Professional Counselor who cares for adults that are looking to gain relief from anxiety disorders, ADHD, anger, depression, mood disorders, substance dependence, trauma and LGBTQIA+ related issues. She utilizes cognitivebehavior therapy (CBT), dialectical behavior therapy (DBT), and motivational interviewing to assist clients in understanding their behaviors, thoughts, and emotions while teaching new skills so clients can be empowered to make meaningful changes in their lives.
Sara Grossbier is a Licensed Professional Counselor who cares for adults that are looking to gain relief from anxiety disorders, ADHD, anger, depression, mood disorders, substance dependence, trauma and LGBTQIA+ related issues. She utilizes cognitivebehavior therapy (CBT), dialectical behavior therapy (DBT), and motivational interviewing to assist clients in understanding their behaviors, thoughts, and emotions while teaching new skills so clients can be empowered to make meaningful changes in their lives.
(262) 539-0285 View (262) 539-0285
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Cheryl Rugg
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Cheryl Rugg brings over 30 years of experience to her collaborative and client centered approach to working with clients. She graduated from the School of Social Work, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. She works with clients who experience problems with depression, anxiety, obsessions and compulsions, trauma, and grief. Cheryl works with clients from the age of 16 through adulthood. Cheyrl pariticulary enjoys assisting clients as they find their way through life transitions. Cheryl's approach is one of working with the client to define the problem and identify solutions that are grounded in outcome research.
Cheryl Rugg brings over 30 years of experience to her collaborative and client centered approach to working with clients. She graduated from the School of Social Work, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. She works with clients who experience problems with depression, anxiety, obsessions and compulsions, trauma, and grief. Cheryl works with clients from the age of 16 through adulthood. Cheyrl pariticulary enjoys assisting clients as they find their way through life transitions. Cheryl's approach is one of working with the client to define the problem and identify solutions that are grounded in outcome research.
(720) 802-3618 View (720) 802-3618
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Susan Williams
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Susan Williams is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Wisconsin who has been practicing since 2008. She holds a Master's of Social Work from Loyola University-Chicago as well as a Master's in Management from Cardinal Stritch University. Susan has almost 15 years of experience working with individuals, couples and families focusing on Addictions, Anxiety, Depression, Grief and Loss, Mood Disorders, Relationship Issues, Self-Esteem Issues and Trauma. She utilizes Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Solution Focused Therapy.
Susan Williams is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Wisconsin who has been practicing since 2008. She holds a Master's of Social Work from Loyola University-Chicago as well as a Master's in Management from Cardinal Stritch University. Susan has almost 15 years of experience working with individuals, couples and families focusing on Addictions, Anxiety, Depression, Grief and Loss, Mood Disorders, Relationship Issues, Self-Esteem Issues and Trauma. She utilizes Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Solution Focused Therapy.
(262) 218-4564 View (262) 218-4564
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Brian Martinezdelacotera
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Brian is an exceptionally open, kind-hearted therapist providing emotional safety for clients to explore their concerns. With warmth and humor, he assists clients struggling with a wide range of concerns including substance dependence, anxiety, depression, self-worth, trauma, conflicts, and family or other relationship issues. Brian utilizes an integrative approach with his clients, combining elements of solution-focused, cognitive behavior therapy, and therapy to heal family-of-origin pain and trauma.
Brian is an exceptionally open, kind-hearted therapist providing emotional safety for clients to explore their concerns. With warmth and humor, he assists clients struggling with a wide range of concerns including substance dependence, anxiety, depression, self-worth, trauma, conflicts, and family or other relationship issues. Brian utilizes an integrative approach with his clients, combining elements of solution-focused, cognitive behavior therapy, and therapy to heal family-of-origin pain and trauma.
(262) 217-7898 View (262) 217-7898
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Kailey Geitner
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
As Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Substance Abuse Counselor, Kailey provides warm, intelligently informed psychotherapy to adults, adolescents and children experiencing anxiety, distress, depression, mood disorders, trauma, grief and loss, relationship/family concerns and substance dependence. Beyond treating symptoms, she encourages self-empowerment transformative personal growth, which enables clients to maintain long-term, deeper gains from therapy.
As Licensed Clinical Social Worker and Substance Abuse Counselor, Kailey provides warm, intelligently informed psychotherapy to adults, adolescents and children experiencing anxiety, distress, depression, mood disorders, trauma, grief and loss, relationship/family concerns and substance dependence. Beyond treating symptoms, she encourages self-empowerment transformative personal growth, which enables clients to maintain long-term, deeper gains from therapy.
(262) 300-8313 View (262) 300-8313
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Amber M. Hearing
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Not accepting new clients
Everybody deserves help. Many clients see me for issues that have been on their mind for years: a difficult transition, a loss or a change they're considering. I would feel privileged if you confided in me. I begin by asking key questions to understand you and your life's context before supporting and guiding you in making the changes you desire - all toward creating a more balanced and meaningful life. Our time and effort together will be worthwhile as we thoroughly address your anxiety, depression, substance use, trauma, relationships or other concerns.
Everybody deserves help. Many clients see me for issues that have been on their mind for years: a difficult transition, a loss or a change they're considering. I would feel privileged if you confided in me. I begin by asking key questions to understand you and your life's context before supporting and guiding you in making the changes you desire - all toward creating a more balanced and meaningful life. Our time and effort together will be worthwhile as we thoroughly address your anxiety, depression, substance use, trauma, relationships or other concerns.
(262) 675-7122 View (262) 675-7122
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Christine Wielgos
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092  (Online Only)
Christine is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who provides psychotherapy to individuals of all ages, including children. Christine specializes in treating anxiety, depression, emotional regulation, life transitions, trauma, grief and loss, substance dependence, self-esteem concerns, LGBTQ+, family/relationship conflict, and parenting. Her approach is non-judgmental, client-centered, and strengths-based to create a supportive and trusting therapeutic relationship that empowers the client to make positive, long-term changes and promotes healthy personal growth.
Christine is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker who provides psychotherapy to individuals of all ages, including children. Christine specializes in treating anxiety, depression, emotional regulation, life transitions, trauma, grief and loss, substance dependence, self-esteem concerns, LGBTQ+, family/relationship conflict, and parenting. Her approach is non-judgmental, client-centered, and strengths-based to create a supportive and trusting therapeutic relationship that empowers the client to make positive, long-term changes and promotes healthy personal growth.
(262) 588-4120 View (262) 588-4120
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Mosaic Counseling
Licensed Professional Counselor
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
At Mosaic Counseling, we focus on offering compassionate and supportive evidence-based therapies to a wide variety of clients. Our specialties incude anxiety, depression, life transition, trauma and grief. We are open to all spiritual paths and all GLBTQ communities. We have many therapists who are located in Mequon, Sheboygan, Germantown, West Bend, Waukesha and offer virtual sessions within Wisconsin. To find the best match for you, please visit our website at www.mosaiccounseling-wi.com.
At Mosaic Counseling, we focus on offering compassionate and supportive evidence-based therapies to a wide variety of clients. Our specialties incude anxiety, depression, life transition, trauma and grief. We are open to all spiritual paths and all GLBTQ communities. We have many therapists who are located in Mequon, Sheboygan, Germantown, West Bend, Waukesha and offer virtual sessions within Wisconsin. To find the best match for you, please visit our website at www.mosaiccounseling-wi.com.
(262) 404-3546 View (262) 404-3546
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Maria Elena Perez
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Mequon, WI 53092
Each individual is on a unique path of growth, healing. and self-discovery. Identifying barriers to becoming whole is key to a life of fulfillment and joy. It is my life’s purpose and privilege to help my clients on their journey to better emotional health and freedom from patterns that prevent happiness, contentment, and security. All too often, we suffer in silence, and in doing so we experience symptoms of depression, anxiety, and disconnectedness. Psychological and emotional wellness are truly possible as new ways of thinking develop and shape how we show up in the world.
Each individual is on a unique path of growth, healing. and self-discovery. Identifying barriers to becoming whole is key to a life of fulfillment and joy. It is my life’s purpose and privilege to help my clients on their journey to better emotional health and freedom from patterns that prevent happiness, contentment, and security. All too often, we suffer in silence, and in doing so we experience symptoms of depression, anxiety, and disconnectedness. Psychological and emotional wellness are truly possible as new ways of thinking develop and shape how we show up in the world.
(262) 228-9894 View (262) 228-9894
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Milwaukee Counselor
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC, NCC
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Mequon, WI 53092
Milwaukee Counselor specializes in parenting support, special needs children and parenting, child/adolescent counseling, depression, anxiety, trauma, first responders/military/veterans, substance abuse, family therapy, EMDR, and women's issues. We take a detailed look at what brings you or your family to counseling and help design a customized treatment plan aimed at getting you started with the perfect therapist from the very beginning.
Milwaukee Counselor specializes in parenting support, special needs children and parenting, child/adolescent counseling, depression, anxiety, trauma, first responders/military/veterans, substance abuse, family therapy, EMDR, and women's issues. We take a detailed look at what brings you or your family to counseling and help design a customized treatment plan aimed at getting you started with the perfect therapist from the very beginning.
(262) 732-5480 View (262) 732-5480
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John Barrett
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
John Barrett is a Licensed Professional Counselor in Wisconsin who has been practicing since 2020. He obtained his Master's degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Marquette University, and also holds a Bachelor's of Science degree in Psychology from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. John's previous experience includes working in a partial hospitalization program with adults diagnosed with a substance use disorder as well as a wide range of co-occurring mental health diagnoses including depression, anxiety, psychological trauma, ADHD, personality disorders, bipolar disorder, or adjusting to significant life stressors.
John Barrett is a Licensed Professional Counselor in Wisconsin who has been practicing since 2020. He obtained his Master's degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Marquette University, and also holds a Bachelor's of Science degree in Psychology from the University of Wisconsin - Madison. John's previous experience includes working in a partial hospitalization program with adults diagnosed with a substance use disorder as well as a wide range of co-occurring mental health diagnoses including depression, anxiety, psychological trauma, ADHD, personality disorders, bipolar disorder, or adjusting to significant life stressors.
(262) 588-4238 View (262) 588-4238
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Katrina Brown
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Katrina is a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) who provides individual therapy for adolescents, young adults, and adults. She received both her BA and MSEd from Western Illinois University and has been in practice since 2000. Katrina has extensive experience working with ADHD (adolescent and adults), supportive parenting work, adolescent related issues, adjustment disorders, depression, anxiety, women's issues, and stress management. Katrina approaches counseling with kindness, compassion, genuineness, and respect. She is an LGBTQ ally and has worked with many people from all walks of life, ethnicities, and spiritual beliefs.
Katrina is a Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) who provides individual therapy for adolescents, young adults, and adults. She received both her BA and MSEd from Western Illinois University and has been in practice since 2000. Katrina has extensive experience working with ADHD (adolescent and adults), supportive parenting work, adolescent related issues, adjustment disorders, depression, anxiety, women's issues, and stress management. Katrina approaches counseling with kindness, compassion, genuineness, and respect. She is an LGBTQ ally and has worked with many people from all walks of life, ethnicities, and spiritual beliefs.
(262) 588-4029 View (262) 588-4029
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Jennifer Robers Miller
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Jennifer Robers Miller, M.S. LPC is a licensed professional counselor specializing in infant and toddler mental health, trauma-informed care, and foster/adoption/attachment issues in families. She additionally treats children who have anxiety, depression, ADHD, ASD, DMDD, insomnia, eating issues, school/daycare issues, cognitive impairments, developmental delays, adjustment disorders, family change and grief and loss issues. Jennifer obtained her Master of Science in Counseling Psychology from Loyola College in Maryland in 2001.
Jennifer Robers Miller, M.S. LPC is a licensed professional counselor specializing in infant and toddler mental health, trauma-informed care, and foster/adoption/attachment issues in families. She additionally treats children who have anxiety, depression, ADHD, ASD, DMDD, insomnia, eating issues, school/daycare issues, cognitive impairments, developmental delays, adjustment disorders, family change and grief and loss issues. Jennifer obtained her Master of Science in Counseling Psychology from Loyola College in Maryland in 2001.
(262) 592-5205 View (262) 592-5205
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Megan Ambros
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Megan Ambros is a licensed clinical social worker who has been practicing since 2017. She completed her master's degree at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Megan specializes in working with women who struggle with anxiety, depression, trauma, parenting issues, and challenging seasons of life. She is trained in evidence-based practices including Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and Prolonged Exposure for PTSD. Mindfulness and self-compassion are foundational to her approach.
Megan Ambros is a licensed clinical social worker who has been practicing since 2017. She completed her master's degree at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Megan specializes in working with women who struggle with anxiety, depression, trauma, parenting issues, and challenging seasons of life. She is trained in evidence-based practices including Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and Prolonged Exposure for PTSD. Mindfulness and self-compassion are foundational to her approach.
(262) 444-0506 View (262) 444-0506
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Amber Hearing
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
Amber is a licensed clinical social worker with more than 15 years of experience successfully guiding clients toward healing trauma, emotional pain, and relationship concerns. She provides compassionate psychotherapy to individuals, couples and families experiencing anxiety, depression, substance issues, trauma, personality disorders, relationship problems, and chronic mental health challenges. Amber's gentle and direct approach begins with understanding client's whole self, the context of the current problems and then helping clients make desired changes toward a more balanced and meaningful life.
Amber is a licensed clinical social worker with more than 15 years of experience successfully guiding clients toward healing trauma, emotional pain, and relationship concerns. She provides compassionate psychotherapy to individuals, couples and families experiencing anxiety, depression, substance issues, trauma, personality disorders, relationship problems, and chronic mental health challenges. Amber's gentle and direct approach begins with understanding client's whole self, the context of the current problems and then helping clients make desired changes toward a more balanced and meaningful life.
(262) 588-4005 View (262) 588-4005
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Caroline Schmidt
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
I’m Dr. Caroline Schmidt, a licensed psychologist and experienced psychotherapist. I help people who are struggling with issues such as anxiety, depression, eating disorders, mood disorders, and relationship problems.
I’m Dr. Caroline Schmidt, a licensed psychologist and experienced psychotherapist. I help people who are struggling with issues such as anxiety, depression, eating disorders, mood disorders, and relationship problems.
(262) 684-4285 x242 View (262) 684-4285 x242
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Ashley L Scott
Licensed Professional Counselor, MS, LPC
Verified Verified
Mequon, WI 53092
She has a passion for helping individuals overcome ADHD, anxiety, depression, difficult life transitions, and relationship struggles.
Ashley graduated with her Master’s in Counseling Psychology from Alabama A&M University and is a licensed professional counselor in the state of Wisconsin. She has over 15 years experience providing counseling services primarily to youth, young adults and women. In her practice she uses a compassionate and strength-based approach to help individuals understand their behaviors, thoughts, and emotions while teaching them the skills to implement positive changes in their life.
She has a passion for helping individuals overcome ADHD, anxiety, depression, difficult life transitions, and relationship struggles.
Ashley graduated with her Master’s in Counseling Psychology from Alabama A&M University and is a licensed professional counselor in the state of Wisconsin. She has over 15 years experience providing counseling services primarily to youth, young adults and women. In her practice she uses a compassionate and strength-based approach to help individuals understand their behaviors, thoughts, and emotions while teaching them the skills to implement positive changes in their life.
(262) 384-5485 View (262) 384-5485
Depression Therapists

What is the goal of therapy for depression?

Therapy for depression has several major goals. One is to relieve the mental pain of depression, which distorts feeling and thinking so that sufferers cannot see beyond their current state of mind or envision feeling better. Another is to give people the mental tools to recognize and correct the kinds of distorted thinking that turn a problem into a catastrophe and lead to despair. Therapy also teaches people how to process negative emotions in constructive ways, so they have more control over their own emotional reactivity. And it helps people regain the ability to see themselves positively, the motivation to do things, and the capacity for pleasure.

What happens in therapy for depression?

Perhaps most important, no matter the type of therapy, patients form an alliance with the therapist; that connection is therapeutic in itself, plus it becomes an instrument of change. Patients learn to identify and to challenge their own erroneous beliefs and thoughts that amplify the effects of negative experiences. They learn to identify situations in which they are especially vulnerable. And they learn new patterns of thinking and behaving. They may be given “homework” assignments in which they practice their developing skills. In addition, good therapists regularly monitor patients to assess whether and how much the condition is improving.

What therapy types help with depression?

Several types of short-term therapy have been found effective, each targeting one or more areas of dysfunction. Cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) helps clients challenge their negative thoughts and beliefs, learn new behavioral strategies, and curb reactivity to distressing situations. Behavioral activation (BA) is a form of therapy often used in conjunction with CBT; it focuses on engagement in rewarding activity as a pathway to changing negative feelings and disturbed mood. Another widely used approach is interpersonal therapy (IPT), which targets the social difficulties that both give rise to and get exacerbated by depression. Therapists may combine approaches as needed.

Can therapy for depression be done online?

Studies have found that online therapy can be highly effective for treating depression, although it may be more challenging to build a good therapist-patient alliance on screen than in person—at least at first. However, online therapy can offer considerable advantages. Accessibility and convenience are tops among them. Some people actually find it easier to talk about problems online than in person. While online therapy typically limits visibility of facial expression and body gestures that give important nonverbal cues to a patient’s state of mind, it can give therapists a glimpse into a patient’s world and life, providing information that can be highly useful in guiding therapy.

How effective is therapy for depression?

Many studies show that therapy is highly effective provided that patients complete the prescribed course of therapy, commonly 16 to 20 sessions. Over the long term, it is more effective than medication and the effects are more enduring. As a result, psychotherapy has the power not just to relieve current suffering but to prevent future episodes of the disorder. Therapy reverses the dysfunction in neural circuitry that disposes individuals to a negative view of themselves, the world, and their future and they acquire coping techniques, problem-solving skills, and understanding of their own vulnerabilities that are useful over the course of a lifetime.