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Aimee Nimeh
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LMSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
I have experience working with a diverse array of clients from varying backgrounds with unique concerns. I enjoy working with couples, children, and adults, primarily those who have experienced trauma, the grief associated with a loss, and mood disorders such as depression and anxiety. My style and approach are personalized based on your needs, but are typically solution focused and rooted in empathy, partnership, and humor.
I have experience working with a diverse array of clients from varying backgrounds with unique concerns. I enjoy working with couples, children, and adults, primarily those who have experienced trauma, the grief associated with a loss, and mood disorders such as depression and anxiety. My style and approach are personalized based on your needs, but are typically solution focused and rooted in empathy, partnership, and humor.
(248) 419-1358 View (248) 419-1358
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Jana Al-Nahhas
Licensed Professional Counselor, MS, LPC
Verified Verified
Rochester Hills, MI 48307  (Online Only)
In session, I hold a humanistic and trauma-informed stance, acknowledging the profound role of adverse experiences, including childhood trauma, racism and discrimination, and a lack of access to resources.
People often seek the support of a therapist when they are looking to make a change in their lives. They may have tried and succeeded, only to find themselves at what feels like square one days later. This cycle can be exhausting and may lead to burn out and feelings of shame. In response to this shame, symptoms such as perfectionism, procrastination, or anxiety attacks may arise. I am passionate about defusing shame in my clients’ lives and creating space for healing through acknowledging that all behaviors make sense in the context of our lives and utilizing a values-based approach to effecting change.
In session, I hold a humanistic and trauma-informed stance, acknowledging the profound role of adverse experiences, including childhood trauma, racism and discrimination, and a lack of access to resources.
People often seek the support of a therapist when they are looking to make a change in their lives. They may have tried and succeeded, only to find themselves at what feels like square one days later. This cycle can be exhausting and may lead to burn out and feelings of shame. In response to this shame, symptoms such as perfectionism, procrastination, or anxiety attacks may arise. I am passionate about defusing shame in my clients’ lives and creating space for healing through acknowledging that all behaviors make sense in the context of our lives and utilizing a values-based approach to effecting change.
(248) 283-4468 View (248) 283-4468
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Nida Khan
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC
Verified Verified
I have experience with Mood Disorders, depression, grief and bereavement, childhood trauma, child sexual trauma, PTSD, growing up in foster care, teen parents, domestic violence, cultural/identify issues. I have experience working with ages 4 - 75 years old. I have a passion for the minority communities especially the third culture population with issues such as culture shock and assimilation.
I have experience with Mood Disorders, depression, grief and bereavement, childhood trauma, child sexual trauma, PTSD, growing up in foster care, teen parents, domestic violence, cultural/identify issues. I have experience working with ages 4 - 75 years old. I have a passion for the minority communities especially the third culture population with issues such as culture shock and assimilation.
(586) 501-8695 View (586) 501-8695
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Ranine Swaid
Marriage & Family Therapist, LLMFT, ATR-P
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Southfield, MI 48076
I work well with couples who wish to work things out but find themselves clashing due to individual complex trauma; as well as families dealing with grief and loss.
Hi, thanks for reading! I'm a Marriage & Family Therapist and Art Therapist with four years of experience. I believe in "diving deep" into patterns and dynamics at play within your relationship with yourself and others. I work best with those looking for a creative, structured and steady approach to recovery from long-term trauma; those looking for clear, strengths-based strategies to managing adult ADHD, depression and social anxiety; and those struggling to navigate their cultural, religious or sexual identity.
I work well with couples who wish to work things out but find themselves clashing due to individual complex trauma; as well as families dealing with grief and loss.
Hi, thanks for reading! I'm a Marriage & Family Therapist and Art Therapist with four years of experience. I believe in "diving deep" into patterns and dynamics at play within your relationship with yourself and others. I work best with those looking for a creative, structured and steady approach to recovery from long-term trauma; those looking for clear, strengths-based strategies to managing adult ADHD, depression and social anxiety; and those struggling to navigate their cultural, religious or sexual identity.
(248) 397-6546 View (248) 397-6546
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Hasan Atriss
Limited Licensed Psychologist, MA, TLLP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Ann Arbor, MI 48104
My passion lies in assisting racial minorities, all genders, individuals with low self-esteem and complex trauma, and those battling anxiety and depression.
My own journey in mental health counseling has been shaped by my multicultural heritage and a deep commitment to supporting individuals facing various challenges. Growing up in Arizona as a multi-ethnic man, I learned about the importance of having a sense of belongingness, caring for others, being connected to community, having and offering emotinal safety, and valuing mental health despite cultural stigma around it. I approach therapy as a collaborative journey, drawing from a diverse range of therapeutic modalities to create a personalized and holistic approach for my clients. I am honored to be of service to my clients.
My passion lies in assisting racial minorities, all genders, individuals with low self-esteem and complex trauma, and those battling anxiety and depression.
My own journey in mental health counseling has been shaped by my multicultural heritage and a deep commitment to supporting individuals facing various challenges. Growing up in Arizona as a multi-ethnic man, I learned about the importance of having a sense of belongingness, caring for others, being connected to community, having and offering emotinal safety, and valuing mental health despite cultural stigma around it. I approach therapy as a collaborative journey, drawing from a diverse range of therapeutic modalities to create a personalized and holistic approach for my clients. I am honored to be of service to my clients.
(734) 892-0779 View (734) 892-0779
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Noor Hamzeh
Limited Licensed Psychologist, MA, TLLP
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Royal Oak, MI 48073
My education gave me opportunities to work with and provide treatment plans and support for various struggles, such as bipolar disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and sexual trauma.
My primary goal as an effective clinician is to work with compassion and drive to help individuals find solutions to life’s struggles while improving their interpersonal relationships and encouraging self-actualization. As a master’s level clinician, I work in a private practice where I specialize in trauma, anxiety, and depression.
My education gave me opportunities to work with and provide treatment plans and support for various struggles, such as bipolar disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and sexual trauma.
My primary goal as an effective clinician is to work with compassion and drive to help individuals find solutions to life’s struggles while improving their interpersonal relationships and encouraging self-actualization. As a master’s level clinician, I work in a private practice where I specialize in trauma, anxiety, and depression.
(248) 292-3252 View (248) 292-3252
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Asraa Albonajem
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, C-DBT
Verified Verified
Dearborn, MI 48126
Waitlist for new clients
I am passionate about supporting teens and adults as they heal from trauma, grief, depression, anxiety, and any other painful experience. Most of my professional and personal experience has centered around aligning with and uplifting individuals who are incredibly resilient - people of color, immigrants, and sexual or gender minorities.
I am passionate about supporting teens and adults as they heal from trauma, grief, depression, anxiety, and any other painful experience. Most of my professional and personal experience has centered around aligning with and uplifting individuals who are incredibly resilient - people of color, immigrants, and sexual or gender minorities.
(313) 497-5125 View (313) 497-5125
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Yasmeen Hamdoun
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LMSW
Verified Verified
Do you experience negative thoughts about yourself, frequent worries about the future, or maybe even become so numb that you feel nothing at all? I believe that everyone has some sort of trauma from their past that continues to affect their well-being and relationships with others. I will be curious about what you are showing up to therapy with; because I believe that our symptoms tell a story. They tell us what helped us to survive in a sometimes harsh and unjust world, but maybe no longer serve us. In order words, the things we do that once protected us, are usually the same things that hold us back today.
Do you experience negative thoughts about yourself, frequent worries about the future, or maybe even become so numb that you feel nothing at all? I believe that everyone has some sort of trauma from their past that continues to affect their well-being and relationships with others. I will be curious about what you are showing up to therapy with; because I believe that our symptoms tell a story. They tell us what helped us to survive in a sometimes harsh and unjust world, but maybe no longer serve us. In order words, the things we do that once protected us, are usually the same things that hold us back today.
(313) 484-2847 View (313) 484-2847
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Joseph Dragun
Psychologist, PhD, LP
Verified Verified
Fenton, MI 48430
I specialize in working with people who have issues with trauma, spirituality, relationships, and men’s issues.
It can be hard to keep going when you feel stuck in your life, whether it is a relationship, a job, or simply not knowing what to do with the thoughts and feelings that come into your head. You may find it hard to get through your day: losing efficiency at work, finding it difficult to sleep or relax, pushing loved ones away, or just daydreaming when there are things that you need to do. Sometimes the pressure is too much and you might be tempted to turn to alcohol, food, television, gaming, or some other way to feel and connect with someone or something. Or, perhaps, you simply just checked out.
I specialize in working with people who have issues with trauma, spirituality, relationships, and men’s issues.
It can be hard to keep going when you feel stuck in your life, whether it is a relationship, a job, or simply not knowing what to do with the thoughts and feelings that come into your head. You may find it hard to get through your day: losing efficiency at work, finding it difficult to sleep or relax, pushing loved ones away, or just daydreaming when there are things that you need to do. Sometimes the pressure is too much and you might be tempted to turn to alcohol, food, television, gaming, or some other way to feel and connect with someone or something. Or, perhaps, you simply just checked out.
(810) 671-6951 View (810) 671-6951
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Stephanie Kaye Wilks
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LMSW
Verified Verified
Dearborn, MI 48126
Are you or members of your family struggling with relationships or communication? Do you or someone in your family have trauma-based needs? I've worked exclusively with families and children since 2019. I help my clients understand why they respond the way they do, and how to respond differently. I specialize in trauma, and trauma-based patterns. I'm also comfortable working with people who are neurodivergent. Single parent struggle? I can help with that too! I've helped adults and children with self-harm behaviors, suicidal ideation, anxiety, anger, and other emotional, relational, and behavioral issues.
Are you or members of your family struggling with relationships or communication? Do you or someone in your family have trauma-based needs? I've worked exclusively with families and children since 2019. I help my clients understand why they respond the way they do, and how to respond differently. I specialize in trauma, and trauma-based patterns. I'm also comfortable working with people who are neurodivergent. Single parent struggle? I can help with that too! I've helped adults and children with self-harm behaviors, suicidal ideation, anxiety, anger, and other emotional, relational, and behavioral issues.
(248) 419-4869 View (248) 419-4869
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Shauni Ford
Counselor, LLPC, MA
Verified Verified
West Bloomfield, MI 48322  (Online Only)
Treating a wide array of issues, including treating those who have survived emotional, verbal, and physical abuse, or other trauma.
My niche is working with women in various life stages; pregnancy, postpartum, miscarriages, fertility issues, motherhood, single, & married. As a therapist, it is important that I focus on overall well-being, so the theoretical orientation I practice is dependent upon my unique client. I am a firm believer that everyone can achieve personal growth and development. It is my responsibility to create a safe, inclusive, and inviting environment. I am a lifetime learner, investing in gaining as much knowledge as I can; this allows me to serve my clients to the best of my abilities while developing professionally and personally.
Treating a wide array of issues, including treating those who have survived emotional, verbal, and physical abuse, or other trauma.
My niche is working with women in various life stages; pregnancy, postpartum, miscarriages, fertility issues, motherhood, single, & married. As a therapist, it is important that I focus on overall well-being, so the theoretical orientation I practice is dependent upon my unique client. I am a firm believer that everyone can achieve personal growth and development. It is my responsibility to create a safe, inclusive, and inviting environment. I am a lifetime learner, investing in gaining as much knowledge as I can; this allows me to serve my clients to the best of my abilities while developing professionally and personally.
(248) 829-7969 View (248) 829-7969
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Shuntai Allen-Bey
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC, NCC
Verified Verified
10 Endorsed
Flint, MI 48532
Allow my expertise in Forgiveness, Anxiety, Depression, Trauma, and Sex therapy to help you overcome issues in your life.
Do you desire to make a change in your life? Do you feel like you are not in control of anything? Have you been betrayed or harbored resentment or anger towards yourself or someone else? Are you struggling with sexual issues? Need help to heal wounds from the past? Are you in a never-ending cycle of worry, guilt, denial, and regret? Is being around others without feeling judged or ridiculed hard for you? Are you unable to sleep because your thoughts are racing at night? Are you not able to have a healthy sex life? If you answered yes to any of the above questions. Let me help you.
Allow my expertise in Forgiveness, Anxiety, Depression, Trauma, and Sex therapy to help you overcome issues in your life.
Do you desire to make a change in your life? Do you feel like you are not in control of anything? Have you been betrayed or harbored resentment or anger towards yourself or someone else? Are you struggling with sexual issues? Need help to heal wounds from the past? Are you in a never-ending cycle of worry, guilt, denial, and regret? Is being around others without feeling judged or ridiculed hard for you? Are you unable to sleep because your thoughts are racing at night? Are you not able to have a healthy sex life? If you answered yes to any of the above questions. Let me help you.
(810) 344-4656 x700 View (810) 344-4656 x700
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Kala Hutchinson
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, CAADC, BFLE
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Indian River, MI 49749
I specialize in recovery from addictions, PTSD, childhood trauma, anxiety, depression and improving self-care.
My name is Kala, and I am a clinical counselor/ therapist. I feel blessed to work with people and have hopes to navigate everyone’s personal journey of healing. My history with addiction and mental health is through my very close relationships in life as well as my own personal experiences. I am a Christian and truly believe each person’s life has purpose. We are all in this together and I plan to work alongside each person in their individualized path toward recovery with the goal of life-long health and wellness.
I specialize in recovery from addictions, PTSD, childhood trauma, anxiety, depression and improving self-care.
My name is Kala, and I am a clinical counselor/ therapist. I feel blessed to work with people and have hopes to navigate everyone’s personal journey of healing. My history with addiction and mental health is through my very close relationships in life as well as my own personal experiences. I am a Christian and truly believe each person’s life has purpose. We are all in this together and I plan to work alongside each person in their individualized path toward recovery with the goal of life-long health and wellness.
(989) 473-8476 View (989) 473-8476
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Amani Alnaqeb
Counselor, MA, LLC, CRC
Verified Verified
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
I specialize in anxiety, depression, trauma, self-image, addiction, eating disorders, and the intricate dance of interpersonal relationships.
Do you find it difficult to form authentic connections with others? Do you experience persistent racing thoughts? Do you grapple with frequent indecisiveness? Do you confront ongoing fear? Do you struggle with effective communication? Do you feel a sense of hopelessness and emotional numbness, and encounter challenges when making commitments?
I specialize in anxiety, depression, trauma, self-image, addiction, eating disorders, and the intricate dance of interpersonal relationships.
Do you find it difficult to form authentic connections with others? Do you experience persistent racing thoughts? Do you grapple with frequent indecisiveness? Do you confront ongoing fear? Do you struggle with effective communication? Do you feel a sense of hopelessness and emotional numbness, and encounter challenges when making commitments?
(248) 963-7050 View (248) 963-7050
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Peace & Harmony Counseling Services, LLC
Licensed Professional Counselor
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Holt, MI 48842  (Online Only)
We provide counseling services to address some of life's most serious issues; including anxiety, depression, substance abuse, trauma, homelessness and grief and loss.
Peace & Harmony Counseling Services, LLC is a group practice that provides Outpatient Mental Health and Substance Abuse services to all of Michigan via Telehealth services. We pride ourselves on our ability to move our clients past their pain through client-focused therapy.
We provide counseling services to address some of life's most serious issues; including anxiety, depression, substance abuse, trauma, homelessness and grief and loss.
Peace & Harmony Counseling Services, LLC is a group practice that provides Outpatient Mental Health and Substance Abuse services to all of Michigan via Telehealth services. We pride ourselves on our ability to move our clients past their pain through client-focused therapy.
(517) 580-5641 View (517) 580-5641
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Jessica Gardiner
Limited Licensed Psychologist, MA, TLLP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Northville, MI 48167  (Online Only)
In sessions I utilize a variety of approaches such as CBT, DBT, humanistic, mindfulness-based, and trauma-informed therapy.
Everyone deserves this chance to better themselves and relieve the burden that mental health issues can bring to our daily lives. There are many reasons people seek therapy. There could be feelings of nervousness or sadness, or an urge to finally get what's bothering you off your chest. No matter what it is, therapy brings out the best in you, and may surprise you. I've interacted with many clients who come in for one problem, and then discover hidden pieces of themselves.
In sessions I utilize a variety of approaches such as CBT, DBT, humanistic, mindfulness-based, and trauma-informed therapy.
Everyone deserves this chance to better themselves and relieve the burden that mental health issues can bring to our daily lives. There are many reasons people seek therapy. There could be feelings of nervousness or sadness, or an urge to finally get what's bothering you off your chest. No matter what it is, therapy brings out the best in you, and may surprise you. I've interacted with many clients who come in for one problem, and then discover hidden pieces of themselves.
(734) 849-3971 View (734) 849-3971
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Maya Sabbagh
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LLMSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Dearborn, MI 48124
I specialize in providing comprehensive therapeutic support to individuals spanning various age groups, including children, adolescents, and adults. My mission is to empower my clients as they navigate the intricate landscape of anxiety, depression, eating disorders, and trauma. Within the confines of a secure and welcoming therapeutic environment, I employ cutting-edge and evidence-based approaches to promote lasting mental health improvements.
I specialize in providing comprehensive therapeutic support to individuals spanning various age groups, including children, adolescents, and adults. My mission is to empower my clients as they navigate the intricate landscape of anxiety, depression, eating disorders, and trauma. Within the confines of a secure and welcoming therapeutic environment, I employ cutting-edge and evidence-based approaches to promote lasting mental health improvements.
(313) 254-3720 View (313) 254-3720
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Loubna Alkhayat
Counselor, PhD, LPC, NCC
Verified Verified
I am trained in relationships conflict (couples and parenting), grief, trauma, anxiety and depression.
Therapy can change your life for the better. We all go through tough times- stressful transitions, painful loss, rough patches in our relationships. We long to find peaceful balance and greater hapiness. I would love to help you make that happen. In the past 10 years I have assisted a diverse population of adults and adolescents overcome their depression, anxiety, grief and trauma, emotional problems, and adjustment issues. I help my clients identify clear goals and work toward them. In the process, clients gain great insight, understand their thoughts and feelings, and learn new skills and techniques.
I am trained in relationships conflict (couples and parenting), grief, trauma, anxiety and depression.
Therapy can change your life for the better. We all go through tough times- stressful transitions, painful loss, rough patches in our relationships. We long to find peaceful balance and greater hapiness. I would love to help you make that happen. In the past 10 years I have assisted a diverse population of adults and adolescents overcome their depression, anxiety, grief and trauma, emotional problems, and adjustment issues. I help my clients identify clear goals and work toward them. In the process, clients gain great insight, understand their thoughts and feelings, and learn new skills and techniques.
(248) 721-8410 View (248) 721-8410
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Connie M Maundu-Pajak
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Okemos, MI 48864
I am trained as a trauma ( TFCBT) therapist and as a Dialectical behavior ( DBT) therapist.
Hello. Welcome !! I am excited to work for you and your family. I have been a therapist for 14 years , working with families and individuals to help them reach their full potential. I am multilingual and have worked with clients from various parts of the world and religious backgrounds. I work with families, individuals and children from ages 8 and above specializing in depression and anxiety, childhood trauma, emotional regulation and anger related issues, learning disorders , personality and mood disorders and parenting skills. Tweens, teens, college students, individuals and families. Parental participation for younger ones.
I am trained as a trauma ( TFCBT) therapist and as a Dialectical behavior ( DBT) therapist.
Hello. Welcome !! I am excited to work for you and your family. I have been a therapist for 14 years , working with families and individuals to help them reach their full potential. I am multilingual and have worked with clients from various parts of the world and religious backgrounds. I work with families, individuals and children from ages 8 and above specializing in depression and anxiety, childhood trauma, emotional regulation and anger related issues, learning disorders , personality and mood disorders and parenting skills. Tweens, teens, college students, individuals and families. Parental participation for younger ones.
(517) 481-4255 View (517) 481-4255
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Reyma Bazzi
Counselor, LLPC
Verified Verified
Woodhaven, MI 48183
My work experience includes working with victims and survivors of domestic violence and sexual assault where I utilized Trauma Focused-CBT.
Did you know that taking the step to look for a therapist is one of the scariest parts of seeking mental health services? You've made it so far already! Now lets get better acquainted so that I may assist you to become the best version of yourself that you can be! As a Limited Licensed Professional Counselor I incorporate empathy, psychoeducation, and empowerment into my therapeutic work. I prefer to adopt a Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Person-Centered approach and believe firmly that therapy is a shared journey between the client and therapist.
My work experience includes working with victims and survivors of domestic violence and sexual assault where I utilized Trauma Focused-CBT.
Did you know that taking the step to look for a therapist is one of the scariest parts of seeking mental health services? You've made it so far already! Now lets get better acquainted so that I may assist you to become the best version of yourself that you can be! As a Limited Licensed Professional Counselor I incorporate empathy, psychoeducation, and empowerment into my therapeutic work. I prefer to adopt a Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Person-Centered approach and believe firmly that therapy is a shared journey between the client and therapist.
(734) 822-5445 View (734) 822-5445
Trauma and PTSD Therapists

When should I seek treatment for trauma?

Not everyone who undergoes trauma needs therapy to heal, but many do. If, after experiencing a traumatic event, you find yourself struggling with symptoms such as nightmares, dissociation, irritability, or emotional numbness—especially if these symptoms last more than a month and are severe enough to interfere with your daily functioning—you may benefit from seeking out therapy with a trauma-informed provider.

How long does trauma therapy take?

Different types of therapy for trauma unfold on different timelines. Prolonged exposure therapy and cognitive processing therapy, for example, each take about three months, while trauma-informed CBT may last anywhere from 8 to 25 sessions. Other approaches, especially those that are less structured or that incorporate elements from multiple modalities, may be more open-ended, though many patients report feeling better within the first few months of treatment.

What happens if trauma is left untreated?

Unaddressed trauma can have serious—even devastating—effects on relationships, career, and day-to-day functioning. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) can lead people to distrust or lash out at others, making it difficult to maintain intimate relationships; it can also trigger symptoms such as flashbacks or hyperreactivity that can interfere with a person’s ability to function effectively, personally and/or professionally. Some sufferers turn to drugs to find relief. Symptoms may lessen on their own with time, but there is no guarantee that PTSD will resolve on its own.

Can PTSD come back after treatment?

It is possible for PTSD symptoms to recur months or years after successful treatment. This is because, like most mental health disorders, it is not possible to “cure” PTSD, and stressful life events may cause symptoms to recur in even the most resilient individuals. There is no shame in re-experiencing PTSD symptoms nor in returning to therapy when such relapses occur; indeed, many forms of trauma therapy explicitly encourage periodic “maintenance sessions” to reinforce coping skills and ensure that symptoms stay manageable.