Therapists in 94025
Sutha Johnson
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
Hi there. In therapy with me, you can expect to slow down, express your whole self, feel understood, and collaboratively work through feelings of worry, stuck or on-edge, loneliness, sadness, fear or shame. Your therapy goals are central to how I tailor treatment. My expertise are working with adults focusing on generalized/social anxiety, perfectionism, OCD, and who want to strengthen an authentic relationship with self. I also specialize in processing trauma, specifically for sexual assault survivors, adults with history of childhood abuse, and traumatic grief.
Hi there. In therapy with me, you can expect to slow down, express your whole self, feel understood, and collaboratively work through feelings of worry, stuck or on-edge, loneliness, sadness, fear or shame. Your therapy goals are central to how I tailor treatment. My expertise are working with adults focusing on generalized/social anxiety, perfectionism, OCD, and who want to strengthen an authentic relationship with self. I also specialize in processing trauma, specifically for sexual assault survivors, adults with history of childhood abuse, and traumatic grief.
Devora Weinapple
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT, ATR-BC, MA
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
As a board certified art therapist, I use art media, the creative process, and resulting artwork to help individuals, couples and families process trauma, reduce anxiety and depression, manage addictions, develop self-awareness, address unresolved emotional conflicts, improve social skills, and build self-esteem.
Whether you've been in therapy before, or this will be your first time; it is important to feel safe and comfortable enough to talk about things that are causing you distress. Are you experiencing life changes, decisions, challenges, trauma, illness, or disabilities? Are you looking for a way to cope with anxiety or depression? Do you have nightmares or trouble sleeping? Maybe you have experienced the loss of someone close to you, or a job, or a beloved pet. Or you are just plain stressed out. All the time. Talk can help, but so can non-verbal expressive therapies, in a non-threatening, non-judgmental environment.
As a board certified art therapist, I use art media, the creative process, and resulting artwork to help individuals, couples and families process trauma, reduce anxiety and depression, manage addictions, develop self-awareness, address unresolved emotional conflicts, improve social skills, and build self-esteem.
Whether you've been in therapy before, or this will be your first time; it is important to feel safe and comfortable enough to talk about things that are causing you distress. Are you experiencing life changes, decisions, challenges, trauma, illness, or disabilities? Are you looking for a way to cope with anxiety or depression? Do you have nightmares or trouble sleeping? Maybe you have experienced the loss of someone close to you, or a job, or a beloved pet. Or you are just plain stressed out. All the time. Talk can help, but so can non-verbal expressive therapies, in a non-threatening, non-judgmental environment.
Dr. Jean Schellenberg, Psychologist, Inc.
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Since 1998, I've used EMDR to treat performance anxiety, self-esteem, relationship issues, eating disorders, and trauma due to divorce, surgeries, accidents, job loss, grief, and abuse.
For years, I have served as a supportive psychologist, teacher, and artist. I specialize in trauma and developed a Recovery Model to heal emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. The Model also addresses healthier adult sexuality and intimacy. In 1998, the APA gave me an honorary award for my research. My art work is featured in: Transformation of the Psyche: by Drs. Joseph Henderson and Dyane Sherwood. I provide in-depth adult psychotherapy using creative, cognitive, and transpersonal methods. I encourage patient healing through visualization, body/mind/spiritual connection, transpersonal psychology, and dream work.
Since 1998, I've used EMDR to treat performance anxiety, self-esteem, relationship issues, eating disorders, and trauma due to divorce, surgeries, accidents, job loss, grief, and abuse.
For years, I have served as a supportive psychologist, teacher, and artist. I specialize in trauma and developed a Recovery Model to heal emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. The Model also addresses healthier adult sexuality and intimacy. In 1998, the APA gave me an honorary award for my research. My art work is featured in: Transformation of the Psyche: by Drs. Joseph Henderson and Dyane Sherwood. I provide in-depth adult psychotherapy using creative, cognitive, and transpersonal methods. I encourage patient healing through visualization, body/mind/spiritual connection, transpersonal psychology, and dream work.
Kathryn Hedjasi
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, MBA, LMFT
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
Specialties include: relational issues, infidelity, depression/anxiety, crisis, codependency, life transitions, suicidality, dual-diagnosis, addictions/recovery, trauma, PTSD/ 2ndary PTSD, veterans/vet families, abuse including narcissistic abuse, DV, rape/incest, self-harming behaviors, adult survivor of addicted caretaker, divorce, communication, grief, career, family issues, & the highly reactive/sensitive child/teen.
Do you find yourself struggling? Hurting? I can help you feel better! You have the ability to THRIVE regardless of your circumstances armed with my support & many new tools in your arsenal. I can help you tap into your own resilience & ability to heal. Wherever you are at in life, whether satisfied but looking to improve, struggling daily & feeling as if the floor is about to fall out, in crisis-mode, on a journey of self-discovery, or simply looking for support from a fully present empathetic skilled partner in your personal, interpersonal & professional goals. I AM HERE FOR YOU!
Specialties include: relational issues, infidelity, depression/anxiety, crisis, codependency, life transitions, suicidality, dual-diagnosis, addictions/recovery, trauma, PTSD/ 2ndary PTSD, veterans/vet families, abuse including narcissistic abuse, DV, rape/incest, self-harming behaviors, adult survivor of addicted caretaker, divorce, communication, grief, career, family issues, & the highly reactive/sensitive child/teen.
Do you find yourself struggling? Hurting? I can help you feel better! You have the ability to THRIVE regardless of your circumstances armed with my support & many new tools in your arsenal. I can help you tap into your own resilience & ability to heal. Wherever you are at in life, whether satisfied but looking to improve, struggling daily & feeling as if the floor is about to fall out, in crisis-mode, on a journey of self-discovery, or simply looking for support from a fully present empathetic skilled partner in your personal, interpersonal & professional goals. I AM HERE FOR YOU!
Veronica Calkins
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025
A Licensed Psychotherapist specializing in trauma, crisis, grief, anxiety, depression, and relationships. Veronica provides an empathetic and caring environment to work through challenges without judgment. Veronica obtained her B.A. in Psychology with a minor in Applied Developmental Psychology and Master’s in Social Welfare at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). She is trained in CBT, DBT, and family and couples therapy. She is also certified in Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) and the administration of Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS) and Deep-Brain Theta Stimulation.
A Licensed Psychotherapist specializing in trauma, crisis, grief, anxiety, depression, and relationships. Veronica provides an empathetic and caring environment to work through challenges without judgment. Veronica obtained her B.A. in Psychology with a minor in Applied Developmental Psychology and Master’s in Social Welfare at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). She is trained in CBT, DBT, and family and couples therapy. She is also certified in Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) and the administration of Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS) and Deep-Brain Theta Stimulation.
Dr. Aimee Zhang
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
I have specialized training from Stanford and the Palo Alto VA in the treatment of stress, mood, anxiety disorders, trauma and PTSD, body image and disordered eating, and multicultural diversity.
I am so glad you are here. Choosing to work on yourself is not easy. I am a licensed clinical psychologist with expertise in treating adults and teens. Prior to founding my private practice, I was a Clinical Assistant Professor at Stanford University. My approach has been described as warm, open, and collaborative. My clients inspire me with their courage to seek help and their willingness to work hard to improve their lives. I would be honored to partner with you to help you reach your goals. I’d love to schedule a free 15-min consultation call with you via phone or video to get to know you.
I have specialized training from Stanford and the Palo Alto VA in the treatment of stress, mood, anxiety disorders, trauma and PTSD, body image and disordered eating, and multicultural diversity.
I am so glad you are here. Choosing to work on yourself is not easy. I am a licensed clinical psychologist with expertise in treating adults and teens. Prior to founding my private practice, I was a Clinical Assistant Professor at Stanford University. My approach has been described as warm, open, and collaborative. My clients inspire me with their courage to seek help and their willingness to work hard to improve their lives. I would be honored to partner with you to help you reach your goals. I’d love to schedule a free 15-min consultation call with you via phone or video to get to know you.
Silver Lake Psychology
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Relationship and sexual concerns, couples therapy, anxiety, addiction, trauma, eating disorders, stress management, insomnia, women's issues, creativity, LGBTQ- welcome.
Learn how to feel more connected to yourself, others, and the world around you. Therapy provides all the elements of intimacy: honest communication, vulnerability, and trust. Good therapy is challenging yet warm, providing both structure and empathy for your unique experience.
Relationship and sexual concerns, couples therapy, anxiety, addiction, trauma, eating disorders, stress management, insomnia, women's issues, creativity, LGBTQ- welcome.
Learn how to feel more connected to yourself, others, and the world around you. Therapy provides all the elements of intimacy: honest communication, vulnerability, and trust. Good therapy is challenging yet warm, providing both structure and empathy for your unique experience.
Katie Piel
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT, MA
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
Whether this is your first therapeutic rodeo or you need a tune-up and a fresh start, we will work together to help you reach your goals and create a a life that feels connected and aligned with your best self. If you struggle with eating, have an eating disorder, suspect you might have one; if you are struggling with anxiety, body image distress, depression, have endured trauma, or you just feel generally stuck, you can move towards recovery. Let's discover your path to a more peaceful and passionate life. Will it be fun? Sometimes. Will it be worth it? Yes, because you are.
Whether this is your first therapeutic rodeo or you need a tune-up and a fresh start, we will work together to help you reach your goals and create a a life that feels connected and aligned with your best self. If you struggle with eating, have an eating disorder, suspect you might have one; if you are struggling with anxiety, body image distress, depression, have endured trauma, or you just feel generally stuck, you can move towards recovery. Let's discover your path to a more peaceful and passionate life. Will it be fun? Sometimes. Will it be worth it? Yes, because you are.
Robin Ruth- Eating Disorders
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
I am a warm, compassionate psychologist who practices therapy with a "power with" rather than a "power over" approach. I have personal experience with many life events including single parenting, divorce, caring for elderly parents, and overcoming depression. I specialize in treating eating disorders, body image, identity issues, depression, trauma, anxiety, and cancer related distress. I have extensive experience working at the residential & outpatient levels for eating disorders, and provide supportive therapy for not only the client, but for the parent or significant other who supports them.
I am a warm, compassionate psychologist who practices therapy with a "power with" rather than a "power over" approach. I have personal experience with many life events including single parenting, divorce, caring for elderly parents, and overcoming depression. I specialize in treating eating disorders, body image, identity issues, depression, trauma, anxiety, and cancer related distress. I have extensive experience working at the residential & outpatient levels for eating disorders, and provide supportive therapy for not only the client, but for the parent or significant other who supports them.
Dora Shalts-Lastra
Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor, LPCC, LMHC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
I use a holistic approach, incorporating CBT, DBT, mindfulness, brainspotting and psychodynamics to treat depression, anxiety, PTSD and complex PTSD, life transitions, stress, and relationship issues.
Every one of us has an internal wisdom and light that guides us through our life. However, at times, we may get wounded in relation with others, and our inherent beauty gets clouded with pain and symptoms. My goal is to help you find the strength and realization that everything you need is already inside of you. Together, we will identify the sources of your pain and authentic steps to take to thrive. I work with adults 18 and over who would like to improve their quality of life. My 15 years of experience have gifted me expertise in complex relational trauma, as well as issues that women experience across their lifespan.
I use a holistic approach, incorporating CBT, DBT, mindfulness, brainspotting and psychodynamics to treat depression, anxiety, PTSD and complex PTSD, life transitions, stress, and relationship issues.
Every one of us has an internal wisdom and light that guides us through our life. However, at times, we may get wounded in relation with others, and our inherent beauty gets clouded with pain and symptoms. My goal is to help you find the strength and realization that everything you need is already inside of you. Together, we will identify the sources of your pain and authentic steps to take to thrive. I work with adults 18 and over who would like to improve their quality of life. My 15 years of experience have gifted me expertise in complex relational trauma, as well as issues that women experience across their lifespan.
Lorretta J. Abbott
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
I specialize in working with adults, teens, and children facing anxiety, depression, relationship issues, trauma and grief, and learning differences and ADHD that negatively impact their lives.
Welcome to my practice! Are you feeling anxious, depressed, overwhelmed, or frustrated? Unhappy with your relationships? Challenges at work or school? Feeling like something needs to change? You've come to the right place. Find your inner strength and discover your true potential through therapy. It takes courage to reach out when you need help. Call me for a 15-minute complimentary consultation to determine your options.
I specialize in working with adults, teens, and children facing anxiety, depression, relationship issues, trauma and grief, and learning differences and ADHD that negatively impact their lives.
Welcome to my practice! Are you feeling anxious, depressed, overwhelmed, or frustrated? Unhappy with your relationships? Challenges at work or school? Feeling like something needs to change? You've come to the right place. Find your inner strength and discover your true potential through therapy. It takes courage to reach out when you need help. Call me for a 15-minute complimentary consultation to determine your options.
Alexandra A. Bley
MS, CHT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Menlo Park, CA 94025
I am trained and certified as a Clinical and Medical Hypnotist, EFT Practitioner and TRE (Tension and Trauma Release) Provider.
Are you looking for a new and different approach to healing? Do you feel like your mind "already knows" but you are still not FEELING better? The answer lies in your body. As much as your mind can't digest your food it can't resolve your emotions. The body plays an important role in the healing process. It serves as a visceral map to the subconscious mind. As you learn to access the wisdom of your body, emotions can begin to resolve on a deeper level, restoring health, harmony, and balance. Please allow me to teach you how...
I am trained and certified as a Clinical and Medical Hypnotist, EFT Practitioner and TRE (Tension and Trauma Release) Provider.
Are you looking for a new and different approach to healing? Do you feel like your mind "already knows" but you are still not FEELING better? The answer lies in your body. As much as your mind can't digest your food it can't resolve your emotions. The body plays an important role in the healing process. It serves as a visceral map to the subconscious mind. As you learn to access the wisdom of your body, emotions can begin to resolve on a deeper level, restoring health, harmony, and balance. Please allow me to teach you how...
Belén Mora-Byers
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025
I am certified in EMDR -Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing, one of the treatments of choice to treat trauma and its effects.
I am a clinical psychologist with over 30 years of clinical practice. I have extensive experience working with children, adolescents, adults, and families on multiple issues from anxiety, depression, difficulty adjusting to transitions, and trauma work, to name a few. I place much emphasis in helping families and individuals develop the series of skills that are necessary for real success - collaboration, flexibility, adaptability, and creativity.
I am certified in EMDR -Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing, one of the treatments of choice to treat trauma and its effects.
I am a clinical psychologist with over 30 years of clinical practice. I have extensive experience working with children, adolescents, adults, and families on multiple issues from anxiety, depression, difficulty adjusting to transitions, and trauma work, to name a few. I place much emphasis in helping families and individuals develop the series of skills that are necessary for real success - collaboration, flexibility, adaptability, and creativity.
Caitlin Wicks
Psychologist, PsyD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025
I am here to tell you, you are not broken, even if your mind may tell you so. When we are anxious or in despair, we can’t think straight or engage our usual survival strategies. It can impact our health, body, emotions, relationships, perception of self and reality. We can't make sense of the distorted thoughts alone. We need a therapist to help guide us. I often help young women who are feeling shy, anxious, obsessive, depressed, struggling with perfectionism or life transitions. I enjoy helping girls and women achieve developmentally appropriate social-emotional, verbal and non-verbal communication skills.
I am here to tell you, you are not broken, even if your mind may tell you so. When we are anxious or in despair, we can’t think straight or engage our usual survival strategies. It can impact our health, body, emotions, relationships, perception of self and reality. We can't make sense of the distorted thoughts alone. We need a therapist to help guide us. I often help young women who are feeling shy, anxious, obsessive, depressed, struggling with perfectionism or life transitions. I enjoy helping girls and women achieve developmentally appropriate social-emotional, verbal and non-verbal communication skills.
Silicon Valley Marriage Counseling Center
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
I am a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist working in Silicon Valley area, and specializing in Couples Therapy, Infidelity, Sexuality, Pre-Marital, anxiety and Male Depression. Marriage is hard work but it is possible, not only to make it work, but have the passion and the spark to last. Couple Counseling has helped hundreds of thousands of couples move past obstacles to reach a point of openness and honesty in their relationship. I enable clients to overcome all kinds of hurdles in their relationships that take a toll on their mental health and emotional wellbeing.
I am a Licensed Marriage Family Therapist working in Silicon Valley area, and specializing in Couples Therapy, Infidelity, Sexuality, Pre-Marital, anxiety and Male Depression. Marriage is hard work but it is possible, not only to make it work, but have the passion and the spark to last. Couple Counseling has helped hundreds of thousands of couples move past obstacles to reach a point of openness and honesty in their relationship. I enable clients to overcome all kinds of hurdles in their relationships that take a toll on their mental health and emotional wellbeing.
Lorraine Wong
Psychologist, PhD, ABPP
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Hello. I am a Board Certified Clinical Psychologist and I specialize in treating OCD and anxiety-related issues. I serve many executives in Silicon Valley experiencing work related stress. I am warm and collaborative, yet directive when appropriate. I care deeply for my clients and am with them every step of the way through their therapy process. Individual and Cultural Identity will also be integral to our work. Your unique identity and social environments shape who you are and I will want to learn all about you. Treatment will be tailored to your specific needs!
Hello. I am a Board Certified Clinical Psychologist and I specialize in treating OCD and anxiety-related issues. I serve many executives in Silicon Valley experiencing work related stress. I am warm and collaborative, yet directive when appropriate. I care deeply for my clients and am with them every step of the way through their therapy process. Individual and Cultural Identity will also be integral to our work. Your unique identity and social environments shape who you are and I will want to learn all about you. Treatment will be tailored to your specific needs!
Dr. Beate Klein
Marriage & Family Therapist, PhD, PsyD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Talking with one another can help you finding a more quiet space within yourself. If you are struggling with depression, anxieties, insecurities, troubled relationships, high sensitivity, or with a neurodiverse experience, psychotherapy can be a place from where you can travel, explore, and listen to the sound between the lines. I invite you to embark on this voyage and find your style of leadership that takes you to new places in love and work. Therapy can help you develop understanding and acceptance of overwhelming life events. Finding your way through life's maze can finally be one of your most wonderful achievements.
Talking with one another can help you finding a more quiet space within yourself. If you are struggling with depression, anxieties, insecurities, troubled relationships, high sensitivity, or with a neurodiverse experience, psychotherapy can be a place from where you can travel, explore, and listen to the sound between the lines. I invite you to embark on this voyage and find your style of leadership that takes you to new places in love and work. Therapy can help you develop understanding and acceptance of overwhelming life events. Finding your way through life's maze can finally be one of your most wonderful achievements.
Ellen Russin
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025
I have been a psychotherapist for adults and adolescents for over 20 years. People come to me to deal with painful feelings and difficulties in living, and to improve their sense of well-being. Many of the clients I see have relationship issues, depression, anxiety or low self-esteem. Living in Silicon Valley brings its own set of problems, which I am particularly interested in. Some people are unclear what troubles them, but are unhappy with their lives.
I have been a psychotherapist for adults and adolescents for over 20 years. People come to me to deal with painful feelings and difficulties in living, and to improve their sense of well-being. Many of the clients I see have relationship issues, depression, anxiety or low self-esteem. Living in Silicon Valley brings its own set of problems, which I am particularly interested in. Some people are unclear what troubles them, but are unhappy with their lives.
Sally Hayman
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025 (Online Only)
It is my firm belief that people do their best with the situations life hands them. My goal as a therapist is to help people work through their stuck places, let go of old behaviors that helped them survive in the past but are no longer useful, and learn new behaviors that will contribute to greater enjoyment and connection in their lives. I see myself as an active guide in this process, and I am enriched by seeing people learn to accept themselves and others, and thus live the fullest and most satisfying life possible.
It is my firm belief that people do their best with the situations life hands them. My goal as a therapist is to help people work through their stuck places, let go of old behaviors that helped them survive in the past but are no longer useful, and learn new behaviors that will contribute to greater enjoyment and connection in their lives. I see myself as an active guide in this process, and I am enriched by seeing people learn to accept themselves and others, and thus live the fullest and most satisfying life possible.
Robin Apple
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Waitlist for new clients
As an integrative therapist I combine tools from cognitive-behavioral, psychodynamic, interpersonal, and mood regulation therapies. I treat adults and older adolescents battling mood, anxiety, eating, interpersonal and life transition challenges. I consider treatment options as they relate to a patient's needs given the empirical support available. I find the psychotherapy process to be most effective when done collaboratively. For the past 22 years in addition to maintaining a private practice, I worked as a Clinical Associate Professor at Stanford's Department of Psychiatry until July 2015. I was trained at UCLA (Ph.D) and at Oregon Health Sciences University (post-doctoral fellowship).
As an integrative therapist I combine tools from cognitive-behavioral, psychodynamic, interpersonal, and mood regulation therapies. I treat adults and older adolescents battling mood, anxiety, eating, interpersonal and life transition challenges. I consider treatment options as they relate to a patient's needs given the empirical support available. I find the psychotherapy process to be most effective when done collaboratively. For the past 22 years in addition to maintaining a private practice, I worked as a Clinical Associate Professor at Stanford's Department of Psychiatry until July 2015. I was trained at UCLA (Ph.D) and at Oregon Health Sciences University (post-doctoral fellowship).
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Trauma and PTSD Therapists
When should I seek treatment for trauma?
Not everyone who undergoes trauma needs therapy to heal, but many do. If, after experiencing a traumatic event, you find yourself struggling with symptoms such as nightmares, dissociation, irritability, or emotional numbness—especially if these symptoms last more than a month and are severe enough to interfere with your daily functioning—you may benefit from seeking out therapy with a trauma-informed provider.
How long does trauma therapy take?
Different types of therapy for trauma unfold on different timelines. Prolonged exposure therapy and cognitive processing therapy, for example, each take about three months, while trauma-informed CBT may last anywhere from 8 to 25 sessions. Other approaches, especially those that are less structured or that incorporate elements from multiple modalities, may be more open-ended, though many patients report feeling better within the first few months of treatment.
What happens if trauma is left untreated?
Unaddressed trauma can have serious—even devastating—effects on relationships, career, and day-to-day functioning. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) can lead people to distrust or lash out at others, making it difficult to maintain intimate relationships; it can also trigger symptoms such as flashbacks or hyperreactivity that can interfere with a person’s ability to function effectively, personally and/or professionally. Some sufferers turn to drugs to find relief. Symptoms may lessen on their own with time, but there is no guarantee that PTSD will resolve on its own.
Can PTSD come back after treatment?
It is possible for PTSD symptoms to recur months or years after successful treatment. This is because, like most mental health disorders, it is not possible to “cure” PTSD, and stressful life events may cause symptoms to recur in even the most resilient individuals. There is no shame in re-experiencing PTSD symptoms nor in returning to therapy when such relapses occur; indeed, many forms of trauma therapy explicitly encourage periodic “maintenance sessions” to reinforce coping skills and ensure that symptoms stay manageable.