Psychosis Therapists in Portland, OR

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Amy McDonald
Pre-Licensed Professional, MSW, CSWA
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Portland, OR 97217  (Online Only)
I enjoy working with teens and adults experiencing; chronic illness (especially Chronic Lyme Disease), anxiety, trauma, first-episode psychosis, systems survival, identity and relationship challenges, depression, grief and loss, life transitions, and parenting challenges.
First things first: I have limited availability, during the day on Tuesday and Friday, for individual therapy and/or couples therapy. If you have or no someone who would find support in a Chronic Lyme therapy group for men (trans and non-binary folx VERY welcome) please reach out to me. This closed group will start Winter 2024, meet bi-weekly and focus on community/solidarity, navigating care systems, myths about Lyme, system failure and chronic illness, the haunting of "the good sick person", anger and illness, and much more.
I enjoy working with teens and adults experiencing; chronic illness (especially Chronic Lyme Disease), anxiety, trauma, first-episode psychosis, systems survival, identity and relationship challenges, depression, grief and loss, life transitions, and parenting challenges.
First things first: I have limited availability, during the day on Tuesday and Friday, for individual therapy and/or couples therapy. If you have or no someone who would find support in a Chronic Lyme therapy group for men (trans and non-binary folx VERY welcome) please reach out to me. This closed group will start Winter 2024, meet bi-weekly and focus on community/solidarity, navigating care systems, myths about Lyme, system failure and chronic illness, the haunting of "the good sick person", anger and illness, and much more.
(503) 974-3495 View (503) 974-3495
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Pamela Self
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, CADCI
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97232
Waitlist for new clients
I work with a variety of unique and extraordinary adults experiencing mental health challenges, including: Trauma/PTSD, Psychosis/Schizophrenia, Bipolar disorder, sexual abuse, first responders, aging, anxiety, anger management, attachment issues, behavioral issues, cognitive challenges, depression, domestic abuse, suicidal ideation, and self-harm.
In my experience as a mental health therapist, I have had the honor and privilege to be a part of a person’s life who is struggling with mental health. At a young age, I always had an interest and curiosity in the people I encountered in my life, and this continues to hold true to this day. I am continually amazed and inspired by the courage and resiliency of people. We are all in this beautiful life together and sometimes we just need additional support to help us navigate our complicated world. I am a “think outside the box” kind of therapist and will build treatment plans based upon your needs and what works for you.
I work with a variety of unique and extraordinary adults experiencing mental health challenges, including: Trauma/PTSD, Psychosis/Schizophrenia, Bipolar disorder, sexual abuse, first responders, aging, anxiety, anger management, attachment issues, behavioral issues, cognitive challenges, depression, domestic abuse, suicidal ideation, and self-harm.
In my experience as a mental health therapist, I have had the honor and privilege to be a part of a person’s life who is struggling with mental health. At a young age, I always had an interest and curiosity in the people I encountered in my life, and this continues to hold true to this day. I am continually amazed and inspired by the courage and resiliency of people. We are all in this beautiful life together and sometimes we just need additional support to help us navigate our complicated world. I am a “think outside the box” kind of therapist and will build treatment plans based upon your needs and what works for you.
(503) 852-2820 View (503) 852-2820
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Jerome Yoman
Psychologist, PhD, ABPP
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97225  (Online Only)
Waitlist for new clients
I help adults of all ages with most goals and problems, but have extensive specialized training and experience with: depression, insomnia, communication skills, family stress related to serious mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.
My purpose is to help adults of all ages, and their families, improve the quality of their lives. I provide life skills training and psychological therapy to help you accomplish personal goals, gain emotional strength, and further your values. Together we create a good working relationship, where you feel safe openly sharing your experiences, and develop a common understanding of your concerns. That understanding leads to action strategies for the changes you wish to make, relying most on those demonstrated as effective for people with your concerns. We will regularly evaluate how well my services are working for you.
I help adults of all ages with most goals and problems, but have extensive specialized training and experience with: depression, insomnia, communication skills, family stress related to serious mental illnesses such as bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.
My purpose is to help adults of all ages, and their families, improve the quality of their lives. I provide life skills training and psychological therapy to help you accomplish personal goals, gain emotional strength, and further your values. Together we create a good working relationship, where you feel safe openly sharing your experiences, and develop a common understanding of your concerns. That understanding leads to action strategies for the changes you wish to make, relying most on those demonstrated as effective for people with your concerns. We will regularly evaluate how well my services are working for you.
(503) 567-1933 View (503) 567-1933
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Will Hall
MA, DiplPW
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97212
I work with trauma and extreme states of consciousness, including alternatives for bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis, medication, diagnosis, and family domestic violence.
My work as a therapist is to help individuals, couples, and families access new resources behind emotional struggles and life problems. I am trained in Jungian and Open Dialogue approaches and am a lifelong learner of the work of R.D. Laing. I am recognized internationally for my advocacy and training work in the psychiatric survivors movement and as a leader for new social responses to what gets called madness and psychosis. I see suffering, including what gets called psychosis, from outside the narrow mechanistic science, diagnostic label, and medication views.
I work with trauma and extreme states of consciousness, including alternatives for bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis, medication, diagnosis, and family domestic violence.
My work as a therapist is to help individuals, couples, and families access new resources behind emotional struggles and life problems. I am trained in Jungian and Open Dialogue approaches and am a lifelong learner of the work of R.D. Laing. I am recognized internationally for my advocacy and training work in the psychiatric survivors movement and as a leader for new social responses to what gets called madness and psychosis. I see suffering, including what gets called psychosis, from outside the narrow mechanistic science, diagnostic label, and medication views.
(510) 990-9767 View (510) 990-9767
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Anne Horgan
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97266
Waitlist for new clients
Throughout her clinical professional experience, she has worked with individuals across the spectrum including (but not limited to) depressive disorders, anxiety and panic, PTSD, postpartum mental health, self-esteem/identity conflicts, psychosis, mania, adjustment issues, parenting, substance use, relationship conflicts and loss.
Throughout her clinical professional experience, she has worked with individuals across the spectrum including (but not limited to) depressive disorders, anxiety and panic, PTSD, postpartum mental health, self-esteem/identity conflicts, psychosis, mania, adjustment issues, parenting, substance use, relationship conflicts and loss.
(503) 300-6986 View (503) 300-6986
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Alex Perez
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97232
Waitlist for new clients
I specialize in issues important to teenagers and young adults/families, including issues related to family dynamics, depression, anxiety, bipolar/schizophrenia, substance abuse concerns, transracial adoptions, grief, LGBTQ dynamics, racial identity, gender transitioning process, and abandonment trauma. My relational approach to therapy can help you gain awareness of your road blocks and provide you with the tools (skills/coping strategies) you have for your own growth.
I specialize in issues important to teenagers and young adults/families, including issues related to family dynamics, depression, anxiety, bipolar/schizophrenia, substance abuse concerns, transracial adoptions, grief, LGBTQ dynamics, racial identity, gender transitioning process, and abandonment trauma. My relational approach to therapy can help you gain awareness of your road blocks and provide you with the tools (skills/coping strategies) you have for your own growth.
(503) 433-8452 View (503) 433-8452
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Emily Bryan
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, CADC I
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97232
I specialize in trauma, emotional dysregulation, substance abuse, and psychosis.
My style of therapy emphasizes personal strength and finding meaning in daily life. My practice serves to help you if you have been through unexpected or upsetting times, you feel as if you need to change a longstanding challenge or pattern, or you simply need a confidential and safe space to explore new ways of existing in the world.
I specialize in trauma, emotional dysregulation, substance abuse, and psychosis.
My style of therapy emphasizes personal strength and finding meaning in daily life. My practice serves to help you if you have been through unexpected or upsetting times, you feel as if you need to change a longstanding challenge or pattern, or you simply need a confidential and safe space to explore new ways of existing in the world.
(971) 267-3224 View (971) 267-3224
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Cynthia Stidd
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Portland, OR 97202  (Online Only)
I have worked with clients with diverse needs including anxiety, depression, psychosis, trauma/PTSD, bipolar, & DID.
I enjoy working with adults (18+) to help them learn how deal with life's struggles and to learn more about themselves as people. I am passionate about helping others improve their lives and believe all people can make progress and experience real change. I offer a safe, non-judgemental, and empathetic space for you on your journey of self discovery, growth, and healing. I will offer feedback and help with direction as we discuss your needs/mental health. I specialize in trauma, anxiety, depression, and severe and persistent mental illness (SPMI) to name a few.
I have worked with clients with diverse needs including anxiety, depression, psychosis, trauma/PTSD, bipolar, & DID.
I enjoy working with adults (18+) to help them learn how deal with life's struggles and to learn more about themselves as people. I am passionate about helping others improve their lives and believe all people can make progress and experience real change. I offer a safe, non-judgemental, and empathetic space for you on your journey of self discovery, growth, and healing. I will offer feedback and help with direction as we discuss your needs/mental health. I specialize in trauma, anxiety, depression, and severe and persistent mental illness (SPMI) to name a few.
(458) 203-1560 View (458) 203-1560
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Rebecca Bradley
Clinical Social Work/Therapist
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97230
Welcome to a therapeutic space where healing is holistic, and the mind-body connection is at the core of transformation. My practice is a sanctuary for those navigating the complexities of life, offering support for a range of challenges including trauma, depression, anxiety, grief, psychosis and existential crisis. In our collaborative journey, I see myself as a partner and guide, empowering you to explore the depths of your own potential for healing. My practice is rooted in the belief that each individual possesses innate ability to heal themselves. Together, we navigate the path towards unlocking the transformative power within
Welcome to a therapeutic space where healing is holistic, and the mind-body connection is at the core of transformation. My practice is a sanctuary for those navigating the complexities of life, offering support for a range of challenges including trauma, depression, anxiety, grief, psychosis and existential crisis. In our collaborative journey, I see myself as a partner and guide, empowering you to explore the depths of your own potential for healing. My practice is rooted in the belief that each individual possesses innate ability to heal themselves. Together, we navigate the path towards unlocking the transformative power within
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Assert Your Boundaries Counseling, LLC
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC, MHC, NCC
Verified Verified
5 Endorsed
Portland, OR 97210  (Online Only)
I have experience and interest in helping individuals learn and identify strategies to manage and reduce phase of life problems, symptoms of depression, stress, anxiety, psychosis, trauma, obsessive-compulsive disorder, barriers which impact self-esteem, cycle of violence, as well as types of abuse and the long term impact of abuse.
Not Accepting Clients At This Time-My name is Pauline Botchway, and I strongly believe that, as human beings, we have the ability to change and transform our lives through choice. Since no single theory can capture our experiences as human beings, I utilize an integrated approach that allows me to use some aspects of Gestalt, Existential, and Solution Focused, as well as high utilization of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and EMDR. In addition to my community mental health, I am including private practice in my line of work. My main goal as a clinician is to help and guide individuals to change their lives to improve everyday living.
I have experience and interest in helping individuals learn and identify strategies to manage and reduce phase of life problems, symptoms of depression, stress, anxiety, psychosis, trauma, obsessive-compulsive disorder, barriers which impact self-esteem, cycle of violence, as well as types of abuse and the long term impact of abuse.
Not Accepting Clients At This Time-My name is Pauline Botchway, and I strongly believe that, as human beings, we have the ability to change and transform our lives through choice. Since no single theory can capture our experiences as human beings, I utilize an integrated approach that allows me to use some aspects of Gestalt, Existential, and Solution Focused, as well as high utilization of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and EMDR. In addition to my community mental health, I am including private practice in my line of work. My main goal as a clinician is to help and guide individuals to change their lives to improve everyday living.
(541) 648-1060 View (541) 648-1060
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See Clearly Counseling
Counselor, MA, LMHC, MHP
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97236
Ellen Hess is a certified EMDR therapist serving Washington and Oregon state. They work with clients struggle with C-PTSD, PTSD or trauma related issues as well as most mental health struggles. Many of Ellen’s clients come in for anxiety, panic, depression, sleep struggles and/or relational struggles. Ellen is particularly passionate about serving childhood trauma and LGBTQ+ populations. They also have advanced training in the areas of CBT for Insomnia and CBT for Psychosis.
Ellen Hess is a certified EMDR therapist serving Washington and Oregon state. They work with clients struggle with C-PTSD, PTSD or trauma related issues as well as most mental health struggles. Many of Ellen’s clients come in for anxiety, panic, depression, sleep struggles and/or relational struggles. Ellen is particularly passionate about serving childhood trauma and LGBTQ+ populations. They also have advanced training in the areas of CBT for Insomnia and CBT for Psychosis.
(541) 532-3164 View (541) 532-3164
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Mike Nomina
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, ACSW, DCSW
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97223
For more than 30 years I have worked with adults that experience psychosis, depression, anxiety and changes to life associated with aging. The settings I have worked in include providing community based intensive case management services to adults with severe and persistent mental illnesses, providing outpatient mental health counseling, work as a geriatric social worker, and work on mobile crisis services team. If you struggle with depression, anxiety, psychosis, or transitions in aging, I would be glad to discuss your needs and how we might be able to work together to address your needs.
For more than 30 years I have worked with adults that experience psychosis, depression, anxiety and changes to life associated with aging. The settings I have worked in include providing community based intensive case management services to adults with severe and persistent mental illnesses, providing outpatient mental health counseling, work as a geriatric social worker, and work on mobile crisis services team. If you struggle with depression, anxiety, psychosis, or transitions in aging, I would be glad to discuss your needs and how we might be able to work together to address your needs.
(503) 897-9360 View (503) 897-9360
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Lawrance McClung
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LICSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97223
I provide an inclusive space for gender identity exploration and affirmation. All people deserve to embrace their inherent worth and dignity, I encourage and support people as they grow into living fully as their authentic self. EMDR trained, I assist people reprocess their trauma in an accepting and validating space to reduce symptoms of PTSD and regain confidence in their sense of safety. I I offer support and skills for individuals with mental health conditions including Bipolar I and psychosis for symptom reduction, stabilization and maintenance.
I provide an inclusive space for gender identity exploration and affirmation. All people deserve to embrace their inherent worth and dignity, I encourage and support people as they grow into living fully as their authentic self. EMDR trained, I assist people reprocess their trauma in an accepting and validating space to reduce symptoms of PTSD and regain confidence in their sense of safety. I I offer support and skills for individuals with mental health conditions including Bipolar I and psychosis for symptom reduction, stabilization and maintenance.
(360) 745-1123 View (360) 745-1123
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Southern Oregon Psychiatry, LLC
PMHNP
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97086
Visit our website sopsychiatry.com to request a consultation. Southern Oregon Psychiatry offers comprehensive psychiatric services to adults throughout Oregon. Conditions treated include mood disorders (e.g. depression, bipolar disorder), ADHD, anxiety disorders, psychosis, PTSD, OCD and substance use disorders. We offer special rates for veterans and first responders.
Visit our website sopsychiatry.com to request a consultation. Southern Oregon Psychiatry offers comprehensive psychiatric services to adults throughout Oregon. Conditions treated include mood disorders (e.g. depression, bipolar disorder), ADHD, anxiety disorders, psychosis, PTSD, OCD and substance use disorders. We offer special rates for veterans and first responders.
(541) 243-5314 View (541) 243-5314
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Stephen Boyd
Licensed Professional Counselor, MA, LPC, NCC
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97239  (Online Only)
Why do people go to therapy? Most often, it is because we are in a crisis of some kind. Although we all find crises painful, they are also opportunities for growth. In fact growth does not occur without discomfort, maybe even pain. Without that challenge, we will not grow. But we must also have support. That’s where therapy comes in. Through support and challenge, something new emerges. We don’t just get through. We grow. We come out the other side greater than we were.
Why do people go to therapy? Most often, it is because we are in a crisis of some kind. Although we all find crises painful, they are also opportunities for growth. In fact growth does not occur without discomfort, maybe even pain. Without that challenge, we will not grow. But we must also have support. That’s where therapy comes in. Through support and challenge, something new emerges. We don’t just get through. We grow. We come out the other side greater than we were.
(512) 686-8930 View (512) 686-8930
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Christina Gonçalves
Clinical Social Work Associate, MSW, CSWA
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Portland, OR 97212  (Online Only)
Feeling down, overwhelmed, on edge from anxiety or stressed? Perhaps you feel stuck, despite your efforts? You’re not alone. I’m here to help. Let’s be honest, sometimes we all need a little help & support, even if we’ve tried working on it for a while on our own. Life can be complex & hard at times. Sometimes we find ourselves facing issues of pain stemming from racism, poverty, and/or different types of trauma (including religious trauma). As a biracial & multicultural therapist (Latina/White/ Brazilian born), I would be honored to collaborate on how we can work together to get the relief or changes you desire.
Feeling down, overwhelmed, on edge from anxiety or stressed? Perhaps you feel stuck, despite your efforts? You’re not alone. I’m here to help. Let’s be honest, sometimes we all need a little help & support, even if we’ve tried working on it for a while on our own. Life can be complex & hard at times. Sometimes we find ourselves facing issues of pain stemming from racism, poverty, and/or different types of trauma (including religious trauma). As a biracial & multicultural therapist (Latina/White/ Brazilian born), I would be honored to collaborate on how we can work together to get the relief or changes you desire.
(971) 278-9371 View (971) 278-9371
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Amy R. Duryea
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, QMHP, MSW, LCSW
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Portland, OR 97201  (Online Only)
Hello, my name is Amy, and I too have experienced some of the challenges that life can thrust upon you. It is my passion to pay forward to you, all the things I have learned in order for you to live life to the fullest, without the restraints that mental health issues can bestow upon us. Through laughter, empathy, compassion and relatability I am able to connect with others and meet them where they are at in their life. I will walk along side you through this healing journey, as it is your self determination and a desire for greater well being that has brought you to this moment.
Hello, my name is Amy, and I too have experienced some of the challenges that life can thrust upon you. It is my passion to pay forward to you, all the things I have learned in order for you to live life to the fullest, without the restraints that mental health issues can bestow upon us. Through laughter, empathy, compassion and relatability I am able to connect with others and meet them where they are at in their life. I will walk along side you through this healing journey, as it is your self determination and a desire for greater well being that has brought you to this moment.
(458) 231-8447 View (458) 231-8447
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Sophie Morris
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC, LPCC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Portland, OR 97086  (Online Only)
An ideal client is someone who shows up. Not even in the way of making every appointment (life happens) but takes the first step toward growth and self development. An ideal client is not a diagnosis or impairment in functioning but anyone who wants to live better and understand themselves more within our weird and scary world. I encourage my clients to advocate for what is working and name what is not by checking in so our time together is the most supportive possible.
An ideal client is someone who shows up. Not even in the way of making every appointment (life happens) but takes the first step toward growth and self development. An ideal client is not a diagnosis or impairment in functioning but anyone who wants to live better and understand themselves more within our weird and scary world. I encourage my clients to advocate for what is working and name what is not by checking in so our time together is the most supportive possible.
(510) 588-1772 View (510) 588-1772
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Dakota Lake
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Portland, OR 97217  (Online Only)
I graduated with a Master’s of Social Work from Western Michigan University in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I have spent the last 8 years of my professional career working with adolescents and adults from all different backgrounds, races, genders, faiths, abilities, and values. I’ve spent time working with refugees and unaccompanied minors, Persons Living with HIV (PLWH), the Dept. of Human Services, and in various inpatient mental health hospital units. We may be a good fit if you are seeking support with anxiety, depression, trauma, social difficulties, or interpersonal conflict.
I graduated with a Master’s of Social Work from Western Michigan University in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I have spent the last 8 years of my professional career working with adolescents and adults from all different backgrounds, races, genders, faiths, abilities, and values. I’ve spent time working with refugees and unaccompanied minors, Persons Living with HIV (PLWH), the Dept. of Human Services, and in various inpatient mental health hospital units. We may be a good fit if you are seeking support with anxiety, depression, trauma, social difficulties, or interpersonal conflict.
(503) 738-1994 View (503) 738-1994
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Veronica L Brown
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Portland, OR 97202  (Online Only)
Therapy is different for everyone but across the board I offer a compassionate and collaborative experience; together we will diligently work toward your own specific goals, needs, and healing. Most of my clients are looking to improve the health of their relationships, learn how to properly set boundaries, address a trauma history that is negatively affecting their daily life, or more generally address symptoms of anxiety and depression as a whole.
Therapy is different for everyone but across the board I offer a compassionate and collaborative experience; together we will diligently work toward your own specific goals, needs, and healing. Most of my clients are looking to improve the health of their relationships, learn how to properly set boundaries, address a trauma history that is negatively affecting their daily life, or more generally address symptoms of anxiety and depression as a whole.
(503) 213-9872 View (503) 213-9872
Psychosis Therapists

What’s the most effective treatment for psychosis?

The most effective treatment for psychosis is coordinated specialty care. In this model, a team of professionals works with a patient to address all aspects of the underlying disorder. This approach incorporates individual or group therapy, employment and education support, family support and education, medication management (which often involves low doses of antipsychotics), and case management to facilitate problem-solving as needed.

When should people seek treatment for psychosis?

People should seek immediate treatment at the earliest indication of psychosis. Symptoms include delusions, hallucinations, disorganized or blocked speech, and agitated body movements. Early signs that a person may be developing a disorder that will lead to psychosis include suspiciousness of others, memory problems and distractibility, an inability to think clearly, rapid or nonsensical speech, withdrawal from friends or family, aggression toward others, and sensitivity to bright lights or noises.

What if psychosis is left untreated?

Without treatment, psychosis can have significant repercussions, including injuries, job loss, homelessness, financial or legal trouble, ruptured relationships, and suffering for the person and their family. While early treatment for psychosis often yields the best results, there is no point past which it becomes useless to seek treatment. At any point, treatment can make a difference.

How do I get someone else to seek treatment for psychosis?

It’s extremely difficult to watch a loved one suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and other elements of psychosis—sometimes exacerbated by their fears of treatment. Have a conversation with them in a quiet space and maintain a calm, supportive tone. Share your concerns about behaviors you’ve observed, suggest treatment, and explain the potential benefits. Listen carefully to their responses. The person may not be ready after one conversation, but with time, they may come around.