Photo of Dr. Amber M Sepsey, Psychologist in Los Gatos, CA
Dr. Amber M Sepsey
Psychologist, PhD, LP, 200 RYT
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030
Dr. Sepsey is a licensed clinical psychologist and founder of Meraki Psychological Services. She serves children, teens, parents, and emerging adults in Michigan and California. Dr. Sepsey offers therapeutic intervention, neurodevelopmental evaluation, and school advocacy services. She has acquired advanced training at leading institutions including Stanford University and Children’s Hospital of Michigan, where she has gained clinical specialization in working with pediatric chronic pain and illness, as well as supporting individuals across the lifespan to navigate depression, anxiety, trauma, ADHD, and autism.
Dr. Sepsey is a licensed clinical psychologist and founder of Meraki Psychological Services. She serves children, teens, parents, and emerging adults in Michigan and California. Dr. Sepsey offers therapeutic intervention, neurodevelopmental evaluation, and school advocacy services. She has acquired advanced training at leading institutions including Stanford University and Children’s Hospital of Michigan, where she has gained clinical specialization in working with pediatric chronic pain and illness, as well as supporting individuals across the lifespan to navigate depression, anxiety, trauma, ADHD, and autism.
(248) 385-3330 View (248) 385-3330
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Angela Hutton
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW, SEP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95032
What often keeps us in pain is the perception of separation from ourselves and others.
Are you looking to feel more connected to yourself and others? Do you feel trapped in certain areas of your life? I have been a psychotherapist for over 20 years and am passionate about this work. I work with teens, adults, and mental health professionals and can effectively address issues that keep you feeling depressed, anxious, and disconnected from yourself and others. I want to help you make the necessary changes to have the life you desire. Therapy isn't about finding out what is wrong with you, it is about building on what is RIGHT with you.
What often keeps us in pain is the perception of separation from ourselves and others.
Are you looking to feel more connected to yourself and others? Do you feel trapped in certain areas of your life? I have been a psychotherapist for over 20 years and am passionate about this work. I work with teens, adults, and mental health professionals and can effectively address issues that keep you feeling depressed, anxious, and disconnected from yourself and others. I want to help you make the necessary changes to have the life you desire. Therapy isn't about finding out what is wrong with you, it is about building on what is RIGHT with you.
(408) 459-6324 View (408) 459-6324
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Michelle Takemoto
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030  (Online Only)
Therapy will open new doors for you, allow you to gain insight into your struggles, and create movement toward healing. I specialize in supporting women, families, and couples through difficult times such as parenting, chronic illness, marriage conflicts, grief and loss, parenting children with disabilities, cultural loss and trauma, anxiety/depression, and work-related stressors. Recovery and leading a life of fulfillment is truly possible. Take the first step toward finding hope and leading an authentic, love-filled life.
Therapy will open new doors for you, allow you to gain insight into your struggles, and create movement toward healing. I specialize in supporting women, families, and couples through difficult times such as parenting, chronic illness, marriage conflicts, grief and loss, parenting children with disabilities, cultural loss and trauma, anxiety/depression, and work-related stressors. Recovery and leading a life of fulfillment is truly possible. Take the first step toward finding hope and leading an authentic, love-filled life.
(707) 532-2360 View (707) 532-2360
Photo of Douglas Drucker, Psychologist in Los Gatos, CA
Douglas Drucker
Psychologist, PhD, QME
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95032
I work with adults in a private practice setting specializing in pain managagement and health psychology. I offer biofeedback, EMDR, treatment for mood disorders and PTSD. I am on staff at El Camino Hospital and accept insurance and Medicare. I am a qualified medical evaluator and provide forensic evaluations for surgical screenings and for legal settings.
I work with adults in a private practice setting specializing in pain managagement and health psychology. I offer biofeedback, EMDR, treatment for mood disorders and PTSD. I am on staff at El Camino Hospital and accept insurance and Medicare. I am a qualified medical evaluator and provide forensic evaluations for surgical screenings and for legal settings.
(408) 215-9454 View (408) 215-9454
Photo of Denise Henderson, Marriage & Family Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Denise Henderson
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030
I have been working with survivors of trauma for 20 years, Trauma steals our life away and causes us to relive the pain of the past and fear the future. I want to walk with you through the pain to a place of freedom and choice. It takes courage to face our pain, the journey is often long and may feel hopeless. I invite you to try and trust one more time and see if we can find that place of peace and healing. You deserve the chance for something different, something for you.
I have been working with survivors of trauma for 20 years, Trauma steals our life away and causes us to relive the pain of the past and fear the future. I want to walk with you through the pain to a place of freedom and choice. It takes courage to face our pain, the journey is often long and may feel hopeless. I invite you to try and trust one more time and see if we can find that place of peace and healing. You deserve the chance for something different, something for you.
(408) 351-7736 View (408) 351-7736
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Andrew Schnell
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95032
This includes areas of community mental health, private practice, residential facilities, foster care, county mental health, juvenile hall, schools, substance abuse and chemical dependency, adults with severe and persistent mental illness, and crisis intervention.
As human beings we learn, develop meaning, and create a sense of purpose through each other and the relationships we form. In the same spirit I believe the therapeutic process is driven by the relationship formed between the client and the therapist. This is why my approach in therapy is guided by the question - "How can I provide a relationship which this person may use for their personal growth?" I strive to create an empathic, nonjudgmental atmosphere where you feel safe and empowered to work toward personal growth and creating lasting change; forming trust and leaning toward vulnerability.
This includes areas of community mental health, private practice, residential facilities, foster care, county mental health, juvenile hall, schools, substance abuse and chemical dependency, adults with severe and persistent mental illness, and crisis intervention.
As human beings we learn, develop meaning, and create a sense of purpose through each other and the relationships we form. In the same spirit I believe the therapeutic process is driven by the relationship formed between the client and the therapist. This is why my approach in therapy is guided by the question - "How can I provide a relationship which this person may use for their personal growth?" I strive to create an empathic, nonjudgmental atmosphere where you feel safe and empowered to work toward personal growth and creating lasting change; forming trust and leaning toward vulnerability.
(650) 405-0646 View (650) 405-0646
Photo of Hannah Idalia, Marriage & Family Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Hannah Idalia
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT, CMT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030  (Online Only)
Your healing can start today! In addition to being an LMFT, my approach extends beyond talk therapy to include holistic/integrative methods. I help individuals get to the root of their problems that lie hidden outside of awareness. My approach is highly influenced by mindfulness practice. You will be guided in each session to build your capacity for present moment focus using breath and body awareness and radical acceptance. This liberates heavy energy and/or pain associated with thoughts and feelings that may have been hidden or stuck. Are you ready to discover what's possible in a collaborative healing relationship? Reach out!
Your healing can start today! In addition to being an LMFT, my approach extends beyond talk therapy to include holistic/integrative methods. I help individuals get to the root of their problems that lie hidden outside of awareness. My approach is highly influenced by mindfulness practice. You will be guided in each session to build your capacity for present moment focus using breath and body awareness and radical acceptance. This liberates heavy energy and/or pain associated with thoughts and feelings that may have been hidden or stuck. Are you ready to discover what's possible in a collaborative healing relationship? Reach out!
(831) 621-5362 View (831) 621-5362
Photo of Angela Li: Brainspotting Anxiety Trauma Therapist, Marriage & Family Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Angela Li: Brainspotting Anxiety Trauma Therapist
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT, MA
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030
I work with trauma/PTSD, anxiety, psychosomatic issues, chronic pain, medical injuries/anxiety, GAD, phobias, panic, social anxiety, OCD, life transitions, boundaries, inter-generational cultural problems, and depression.
Are trauma, anxiety and insecurity controlling your life, preventing you from pursuing your dreams and living life to the fullest? Do you relive the past as if it were happening right now? Your head knows better, but it fails to convince your heart otherwise. As horrible as those experiences were in the past, they continue to zap away your joy and confidence today. You might even avoid situations that trigger the feelings. Are there any lost part of you that you'd like to return to? Do others believe in your competence more than you believe in yourself? What would it be like if life was driven by passion and joy, not fear or shame?
I work with trauma/PTSD, anxiety, psychosomatic issues, chronic pain, medical injuries/anxiety, GAD, phobias, panic, social anxiety, OCD, life transitions, boundaries, inter-generational cultural problems, and depression.
Are trauma, anxiety and insecurity controlling your life, preventing you from pursuing your dreams and living life to the fullest? Do you relive the past as if it were happening right now? Your head knows better, but it fails to convince your heart otherwise. As horrible as those experiences were in the past, they continue to zap away your joy and confidence today. You might even avoid situations that trigger the feelings. Are there any lost part of you that you'd like to return to? Do others believe in your competence more than you believe in yourself? What would it be like if life was driven by passion and joy, not fear or shame?
(669) 232-8177 View (669) 232-8177
Photo of Erika Roldan Hulse, Marriage & Family Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Erika Roldan Hulse
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95032
There are times when our problems become unbearable, and we can tell because they are impacting our relationships with others. We just don't know how to make changes that will be beneficial to the most important people in our lives, and ourselves. As a Marriage and Family Therapist, I can help you feel less alone and start thinking differently about the issues that have been holding you back. I want to know what got you to this point, and assist you in becoming a happier version of yourself.
There are times when our problems become unbearable, and we can tell because they are impacting our relationships with others. We just don't know how to make changes that will be beneficial to the most important people in our lives, and ourselves. As a Marriage and Family Therapist, I can help you feel less alone and start thinking differently about the issues that have been holding you back. I want to know what got you to this point, and assist you in becoming a happier version of yourself.
(650) 297-8270 View (650) 297-8270
Photo of Doreen Maxwell, MFT and Associates, Marriage & Family Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Doreen Maxwell, MFT and Associates
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT, CHT
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95032
If you've been feeling sad, stuck, and stressed for too long, don't hesitate to reach out. I can help you find clarity and contentment. Our therapeutic relationship combined with mindfulness and experiential methods of psychotherapy, lead to real and lasting changes. Patterns which you once took on to cope with your family or stressors may not serve you anymore. Together we can access these old patterns of feeling and thinking that hold you back, and create new ways to be in your world. You can discover that life and relationships can have meaning and ease.
If you've been feeling sad, stuck, and stressed for too long, don't hesitate to reach out. I can help you find clarity and contentment. Our therapeutic relationship combined with mindfulness and experiential methods of psychotherapy, lead to real and lasting changes. Patterns which you once took on to cope with your family or stressors may not serve you anymore. Together we can access these old patterns of feeling and thinking that hold you back, and create new ways to be in your world. You can discover that life and relationships can have meaning and ease.
(408) 465-9938 View (408) 465-9938
Photo of Alison Silvius Casanova, Marriage & Family Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Alison Silvius Casanova
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
4 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030
Finding a therapist is hard! It doesn't help that there are so many to choose from. I think the most important part is actually liking the person you are talking to. Take a look at my page (and website), and if you think we may be a good fit, I encourage you to call me for a free 15 minute consultation. If we end up working together, I will do my best to find which methods align with you so that I can help you get to the place you want to be.
Finding a therapist is hard! It doesn't help that there are so many to choose from. I think the most important part is actually liking the person you are talking to. Take a look at my page (and website), and if you think we may be a good fit, I encourage you to call me for a free 15 minute consultation. If we end up working together, I will do my best to find which methods align with you so that I can help you get to the place you want to be.
(408) 214-6656 View (408) 214-6656
Photo of Brian Winkler, Psychologist in Los Gatos, CA
Brian Winkler
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95032
For over 30 years, I have specialized in working with individuals and couples who are looking for a deep, transformative experience in therapy that resolves core issues and not just symptoms. I help my clients heal life long attachment wounds and change deep seated negative patterns, facilitating a greater capacity for intimacy, joy, inner peace, and confidence. I draw upon several approaches including EMDR for the resolution of past trauma and addictions, psychodynamic (childhood issues), Couples Systems, Jungian dream analysis, meditative practices, somatic focused therapy, and techniques from the latest neuroscience research.
For over 30 years, I have specialized in working with individuals and couples who are looking for a deep, transformative experience in therapy that resolves core issues and not just symptoms. I help my clients heal life long attachment wounds and change deep seated negative patterns, facilitating a greater capacity for intimacy, joy, inner peace, and confidence. I draw upon several approaches including EMDR for the resolution of past trauma and addictions, psychodynamic (childhood issues), Couples Systems, Jungian dream analysis, meditative practices, somatic focused therapy, and techniques from the latest neuroscience research.
(650) 306-8188 View (650) 306-8188
Photo of Sarah Plep, Clinical Social Work/Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Sarah Plep
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LCSW
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95032
As a therapist I work with individuals, adolescents, families and couples. My main frameworks are cognitive behavioral therapy, strengths based psychotherapy, and motivational interviewing. My primary job is to provide you with a safe non-judgemental space to process and to achieve the goals that will make you more fulfilled in our high stress Bay Area. I can serve as a guide along this path as you discover what it means to be the truest you. As well as assist you to overcome whatever has been holding you back. It isn’t always easy but working on ourselves brings great rewards.
As a therapist I work with individuals, adolescents, families and couples. My main frameworks are cognitive behavioral therapy, strengths based psychotherapy, and motivational interviewing. My primary job is to provide you with a safe non-judgemental space to process and to achieve the goals that will make you more fulfilled in our high stress Bay Area. I can serve as a guide along this path as you discover what it means to be the truest you. As well as assist you to overcome whatever has been holding you back. It isn’t always easy but working on ourselves brings great rewards.
(408) 827-1815 x3 View (408) 827-1815 x3
Photo of Jeanne Jakob / Inside Out Psychology Inc, Psychologist in Los Gatos, CA
Jeanne Jakob / Inside Out Psychology Inc
Psychologist, PhD, ABPP
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95032
I am a seasoned, board-certified psychologist licensed in California. I provide individual and group psychotherapy via telehealth and in-person (Los Gatos, CA). My ideal clients are motivated to develop psychological flexibility skills to live more fulfilling lives. I integrate various psychotherapy perspectives, with a strong emphasis on evidence-based approaches (ACT, CBT, DBT). I am the owner of Inside Out Psychology, an educational and wellness company. I offer Zoom mindfulness sessions to the general public and host expert webinars to educate mental health consumers. You can read more about my offerings at PsychInsideOut.com
I am a seasoned, board-certified psychologist licensed in California. I provide individual and group psychotherapy via telehealth and in-person (Los Gatos, CA). My ideal clients are motivated to develop psychological flexibility skills to live more fulfilling lives. I integrate various psychotherapy perspectives, with a strong emphasis on evidence-based approaches (ACT, CBT, DBT). I am the owner of Inside Out Psychology, an educational and wellness company. I offer Zoom mindfulness sessions to the general public and host expert webinars to educate mental health consumers. You can read more about my offerings at PsychInsideOut.com
(650) 429-8787 View (650) 429-8787
Photo of Loic John Jassy, Marriage & Family Therapist in Los Gatos, CA
Loic John Jassy
Marriage & Family Therapist, PhD, MFT
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030
I can help you solve your problems and achieve the quality of life and love that you seek. I believe in your potential and the potential of your relationships to go to the next higher level of functioning. I can help you with practical solutions (behavioral changes) to relationship, career and parenting issues as well as personal issues that lead to anxiety and depression. Insight, emotional healing, and inner wisdom are the deeper forces that you can access in our healing work together. Advanced psychotherapeutic techniques (EMDR Trauma Reduction, Somatic, Transpersonal, Mindfulness) are available as well as supportive, nurturing counseling.
I can help you solve your problems and achieve the quality of life and love that you seek. I believe in your potential and the potential of your relationships to go to the next higher level of functioning. I can help you with practical solutions (behavioral changes) to relationship, career and parenting issues as well as personal issues that lead to anxiety and depression. Insight, emotional healing, and inner wisdom are the deeper forces that you can access in our healing work together. Advanced psychotherapeutic techniques (EMDR Trauma Reduction, Somatic, Transpersonal, Mindfulness) are available as well as supportive, nurturing counseling.
(408) 622-0183 View (408) 622-0183
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Mariana Chavez
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95030
Welcome, bewelltherapy is body-mind therapy for women, children, and parents. We support you so you can find your best self and thrive in your relationships. We understand the struggles and joys of being a woman and a parent in today’s world. You not only want, but you also know you deserve to feel fulfilled, grounded, and connected. I am a professional therapist who is passionate about helping women and families overcome challenges and walk on a path of wholeness and integrity with your personal, parental, and career values and needs.
Welcome, bewelltherapy is body-mind therapy for women, children, and parents. We support you so you can find your best self and thrive in your relationships. We understand the struggles and joys of being a woman and a parent in today’s world. You not only want, but you also know you deserve to feel fulfilled, grounded, and connected. I am a professional therapist who is passionate about helping women and families overcome challenges and walk on a path of wholeness and integrity with your personal, parental, and career values and needs.
(510) 681-0477 View (510) 681-0477
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Ben Schultz
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030
Lack of Motivation, Addiction, & Relationship Issues - The 3 most common presenting problems in my practice today. Whether you’re dealing with any combination of the 3, or something else entirely, actualizing your potential is the way forward. I don't believe rehashing past experiences to no end is helpful. While talking about past experiences may be an important part of our work, growth manifests through present integration. Being as honest and direct as possible is the best way to demonstrate how I'm not here to waste your time. If we share this value, my style of therapy may be right for you.
Lack of Motivation, Addiction, & Relationship Issues - The 3 most common presenting problems in my practice today. Whether you’re dealing with any combination of the 3, or something else entirely, actualizing your potential is the way forward. I don't believe rehashing past experiences to no end is helpful. While talking about past experiences may be an important part of our work, growth manifests through present integration. Being as honest and direct as possible is the best way to demonstrate how I'm not here to waste your time. If we share this value, my style of therapy may be right for you.
(408) 599-2464 View (408) 599-2464
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Alana Van Zanten
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LPCC, LAADC-S, ACRPS
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95032
Are you stuck in a cycle of thought patterns or behaviors that are negatively impacting your well-being? Do you feel anxious, ashamed, disconnected, or depressed, and wish you could break away from these patterns? Do you find yourself daydreaming about what life would be like if you weren’t so caught up in this struggle? Many people are struggling to manage their relationships, careers, and lives during these uncertain times. You are not alone, and I am here to help.
Are you stuck in a cycle of thought patterns or behaviors that are negatively impacting your well-being? Do you feel anxious, ashamed, disconnected, or depressed, and wish you could break away from these patterns? Do you find yourself daydreaming about what life would be like if you weren’t so caught up in this struggle? Many people are struggling to manage their relationships, careers, and lives during these uncertain times. You are not alone, and I am here to help.
(530) 429-3214 View (530) 429-3214
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Vera Velini
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
6 Endorsed
Los Gatos, CA 95030
You have just made an important step towards creating the life you desire to live. I specialize in finding one's happiness and peace whether it be within the life of the individual, within a relationship or within a family. My passion is working with individuals and couples who desire to create deepest loving relationships, live their life authentically, find their purpose, and realize their dreams. Regardless of the challenges you face, our programs are designed to help you create and experience positive changes that last a lifetime. (NOTE: Don't forget to ask us about our SPECIAL PACKAGES)
You have just made an important step towards creating the life you desire to live. I specialize in finding one's happiness and peace whether it be within the life of the individual, within a relationship or within a family. My passion is working with individuals and couples who desire to create deepest loving relationships, live their life authentically, find their purpose, and realize their dreams. Regardless of the challenges you face, our programs are designed to help you create and experience positive changes that last a lifetime. (NOTE: Don't forget to ask us about our SPECIAL PACKAGES)
(408) 837-0663 View (408) 837-0663
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Kate Henderson Bartenhagen
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
Los Gatos, CA 95030  (Online Only)
Do you question your purpose in life? Are you still looking for your "passion?" Do you want a deeper connection with others? Do you sometimes feel that there must be more to life than working and buying things? I am passionate about helping you answer these questions. My approach to mental health is collaborative and includes a strong belief that people strive towards wellness and have within them the capacity to heal and grow. I see individuals, couples, and families age 15 and up. I treat couples, sex/infidelity, substance use/abuse, mood disorders, grief and loss, life struggles.
Do you question your purpose in life? Are you still looking for your "passion?" Do you want a deeper connection with others? Do you sometimes feel that there must be more to life than working and buying things? I am passionate about helping you answer these questions. My approach to mental health is collaborative and includes a strong belief that people strive towards wellness and have within them the capacity to heal and grow. I see individuals, couples, and families age 15 and up. I treat couples, sex/infidelity, substance use/abuse, mood disorders, grief and loss, life struggles.
(408) 840-4106 View (408) 840-4106

Chronic Pain Therapists

How does chronic pain therapy work?

Engaging with a psychotherapist to help treat chronic pain does not mean that one’s pain is all in their head. Therapy for chronic-pain patients has been shown to benefit both the mind and the body, targeting physical symptoms and increasing daily functioning. In other words, for many, addressing their emotional health through therapy affects their physical health. A therapist can help a client challenge unhelpful thoughts about pain and develop new ways to respond to it, such as distraction or calming breathing techniques. Studies have found that therapy can be as effective as surgery for certain cases of chronic pain and many doctors recommend trying psychotherapy in advance of considering invasive surgery.

What are the most effective treatment options for chronic pain?

Stress, anxiety, depression, catastrophizing, ruminating, lack of activity, and social withdrawal all make chronic pain worse. Addressing these issues, research shows, can help people gain control over their pain symptoms. Therapeutic approaches such as cognitive behavioral therapy, biofeedback, and mindfulness-based stress reduction, along with greater pain-management education, have been found to help people reduce fear and disability.

Are there new treatments for chronic pain?

Many cases of chronic pain, particularly those involving back pain, remain medically unexplained. But there is evidence that changes in the brain or nervous system are caused by previous physical ailments such as tissue damage; in such cases, the brain may continue to send out pain signals despite the physical cause having healed. To aid patients under these circumstances, a recently developed treatment known as pain reprocessing therapy (PRT) is designed to help the brain “unlearn” this response. A PRT practitioner helps individuals to reduce the “threat value” of their ongoing pain signals until they can reappraise them as less threatening and fear-inducing. They also help an individual to develop new emotional regulation skills.

How long does therapy for chronic pain take?

There is no set timeline for recovery from chronic pain, especially as there may be a range of physical and psychological causes for any individual’s discomfort, but most patients should expect to see a therapist for a number of weeks or months, typically spanning at least 12 sessions. Studies of pain reprocessing therapy found that many individuals’ experience of pain lessened in eight sessions over four weeks.