Marriage Counseling Therapists in Tucson, AZ

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Carolyn Wesson
Marriage & Family Therapist, MS, LMFT
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85718
I use the wisdom from all sorts of therapies, in particular Emotional Intelligence neuroscience and the marriage findings of expert, John Gottman.
I can help you solve problems and achieve the quality of life and love you want. I am able to find solutions to a pressing crisis (for example, an ongoing or just discovered affair), as well as do in-depth psychotherapy. I have a 98% success rate with couples, including those in which there has been an affair. Whatever problem you're dealing with, I will be clear, active, specific, and practical in my suggestions. I enjoy working with all ethnicities, middle-aged, elders, marriages including medical marriages. I am rated as one of the top five therapists by many agencies. Be assured I will return your call within four hours.
I use the wisdom from all sorts of therapies, in particular Emotional Intelligence neuroscience and the marriage findings of expert, John Gottman.
I can help you solve problems and achieve the quality of life and love you want. I am able to find solutions to a pressing crisis (for example, an ongoing or just discovered affair), as well as do in-depth psychotherapy. I have a 98% success rate with couples, including those in which there has been an affair. Whatever problem you're dealing with, I will be clear, active, specific, and practical in my suggestions. I enjoy working with all ethnicities, middle-aged, elders, marriages including medical marriages. I am rated as one of the top five therapists by many agencies. Be assured I will return your call within four hours.
(520) 448-4328 View (520) 448-4328
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Samar Adi
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
Tucson, AZ 85704
Waitlist for new clients
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) with experience working with trauma, I can help with exploring the different layers of your life to help you understand yourself and your needs.
Morning availability only. Interested in exploring yourself, your world and starting to make the changes you want in different areas of life? I enjoy working with people who find themselves at a crossroads between keeping things the way they have been or doing the work in therapy to process, learn, and grow. If you find yourself struggling with transitions, new responsibilities, self-doubt, uncertainty about the future, communication and relationship skills, I'd love to work with you!
As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) with experience working with trauma, I can help with exploring the different layers of your life to help you understand yourself and your needs.
Morning availability only. Interested in exploring yourself, your world and starting to make the changes you want in different areas of life? I enjoy working with people who find themselves at a crossroads between keeping things the way they have been or doing the work in therapy to process, learn, and grow. If you find yourself struggling with transitions, new responsibilities, self-doubt, uncertainty about the future, communication and relationship skills, I'd love to work with you!
(520) 210-4638 View (520) 210-4638
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Virginia Pope
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85718  (Online Only)
Hey there! Many of us can benefit from having a therapist help navigate our everyday challenges. Whatever your reason for seeking therapy, I am grateful you are reading my profile and considering me. I work heavily with emotions and focus on understanding the “why” behind our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. So, if you find yourself trying to understand those on a deeper level, I believe we would be a great fit! I received my Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy from Northcentral University. I also have my Graduate Certificate in Play Therapy from Capella University.
Hey there! Many of us can benefit from having a therapist help navigate our everyday challenges. Whatever your reason for seeking therapy, I am grateful you are reading my profile and considering me. I work heavily with emotions and focus on understanding the “why” behind our thoughts, feelings, and behaviors. So, if you find yourself trying to understand those on a deeper level, I believe we would be a great fit! I received my Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy from Northcentral University. I also have my Graduate Certificate in Play Therapy from Capella University.
(520) 341-6293 View (520) 341-6293
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Carolyn Nordin Bushong
Licensed Professional Counselor, LPC
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85742
I'm a dating coach, marriage counselor, psychotherapist, & life coach.
I am Carolyn Bushong, LPC, a Licensed Therapist with 30+ years' experience. As a seasoned therapist with national recognition (Oprah, etc), I have helped countless people develop more satisfying and lasting relationships over the years. If you're single, I can help with online dating & teach you skills to make that deep connection you're looking for. If you're a couple, I will help you identify & resolve issues that will improve your relationship. If you're dealing with life's struggles, I can help you deal with crises & concerns, providing direction through personal therapy and/or life coaching-in person, by phone or video.
I'm a dating coach, marriage counselor, psychotherapist, & life coach.
I am Carolyn Bushong, LPC, a Licensed Therapist with 30+ years' experience. As a seasoned therapist with national recognition (Oprah, etc), I have helped countless people develop more satisfying and lasting relationships over the years. If you're single, I can help with online dating & teach you skills to make that deep connection you're looking for. If you're a couple, I will help you identify & resolve issues that will improve your relationship. If you're dealing with life's struggles, I can help you deal with crises & concerns, providing direction through personal therapy and/or life coaching-in person, by phone or video.
(303) 333-1888 View (303) 333-1888
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Sophia Sims
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT, SEP
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85718
I am passionate about being a source of strength, hope and empowerment to individuals, couples and families as they uncover their innate capacity to be the best they can be for themselves and their loved ones. I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in private practice in Tucson, Arizona. I am a Certified through ICEEFT as an Emotionally Focused Therapist. I am a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner, which uses a body-oriented approach for the healing of trauma and other stress disorders, founded by Dr. Peter Levine. Somatic Experiencing is about creating more choice - body, mind & spirit.
I am passionate about being a source of strength, hope and empowerment to individuals, couples and families as they uncover their innate capacity to be the best they can be for themselves and their loved ones. I am a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in private practice in Tucson, Arizona. I am a Certified through ICEEFT as an Emotionally Focused Therapist. I am a Somatic Experiencing Practitioner, which uses a body-oriented approach for the healing of trauma and other stress disorders, founded by Dr. Peter Levine. Somatic Experiencing is about creating more choice - body, mind & spirit.
(520) 441-8816 View (520) 441-8816
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Donald Jan Miretsky
Counselor, MEd, LPC, NBCCH
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85704  (Online Only)
I have thirty-five years of professional experience with in-patient and outpatient settings. I served as clinical director for a behavioral health program in a state-wide agency for 19 years, was adjunct faculty/family therapy supervisor at the University of Arizona in the psychology department for 11 years, and a family therapy seminar lecturer in the department of psychiatry for seven years. I have presented at local, state,and national conferences as well as consulted and trained for multiple private and state agencies. I specialize in child and family therapy as well as adult and marital/couples issues.
I have thirty-five years of professional experience with in-patient and outpatient settings. I served as clinical director for a behavioral health program in a state-wide agency for 19 years, was adjunct faculty/family therapy supervisor at the University of Arizona in the psychology department for 11 years, and a family therapy seminar lecturer in the department of psychiatry for seven years. I have presented at local, state,and national conferences as well as consulted and trained for multiple private and state agencies. I specialize in child and family therapy as well as adult and marital/couples issues.
(520) 216-5733 View (520) 216-5733
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Sherry J. Duson
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LPC, LMFT, PMH-C
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Tucson, AZ 85718
I am a therapist who desires to create a safe, comfortable environment for you to work on what is troubling you. I see my role as assisting you to better understand your challenges, and to access your resources to address them. I have over twenty years of experience as a perinatal mental health provider, and a marriage and family therapist and clinical supervisor. I believe in the resilience of each person and bring a great deal of my own creativity and energy to each of my clients. I strive to be respectful and supportive of those I work with, and am always mindful that I am working for you, to your benefit.
I am a therapist who desires to create a safe, comfortable environment for you to work on what is troubling you. I see my role as assisting you to better understand your challenges, and to access your resources to address them. I have over twenty years of experience as a perinatal mental health provider, and a marriage and family therapist and clinical supervisor. I believe in the resilience of each person and bring a great deal of my own creativity and energy to each of my clients. I strive to be respectful and supportive of those I work with, and am always mindful that I am working for you, to your benefit.
(520) 224-1495 View (520) 224-1495
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Suzanne Lovejoy
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT, CEFT
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85718  (Online Only)
Are you looking for more Resilience in your life & relationships? Would you like to learn how to improve your focus, attention & emotional presence with others? Hello, my name is Suzanne Lovejoy. I am a licensed Marriage & Family Therapist. I am also a certified Emotionally Focused Therapist. I offer an Integrative, Mindful Approach to Relational Resilience and Wellness​.
Are you looking for more Resilience in your life & relationships? Would you like to learn how to improve your focus, attention & emotional presence with others? Hello, my name is Suzanne Lovejoy. I am a licensed Marriage & Family Therapist. I am also a certified Emotionally Focused Therapist. I offer an Integrative, Mindful Approach to Relational Resilience and Wellness​.
(520) 253-7560 View (520) 253-7560
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Maureen Olinsky
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Tucson, AZ 85704
I am a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist as well as a certified Gestalt Therapist with 30 years of experience.
For those struggling with anxiety, depression, grief or relationship issues, it is often difficult to find balance and peace. We may at times be unable to find that balance on our own and choose to reach out for support. I see that reaching out as both courageous and healthy. I believe successful therapy is based on a strong relationship between a therapist and a client. You will find that I provide support, safety and a nurturing environment as we explore issues and work together to facilitate growth and self-awareness.
I am a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist as well as a certified Gestalt Therapist with 30 years of experience.
For those struggling with anxiety, depression, grief or relationship issues, it is often difficult to find balance and peace. We may at times be unable to find that balance on our own and choose to reach out for support. I see that reaching out as both courageous and healthy. I believe successful therapy is based on a strong relationship between a therapist and a client. You will find that I provide support, safety and a nurturing environment as we explore issues and work together to facilitate growth and self-awareness.
(520) 447-3692 View (520) 447-3692
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Chet Weld
Licensed Professional Counselor, MEd, EdD, LPC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Tucson, AZ 85741
Searching for marriage counseling with an experienced Christian-based therapist? Do you struggle with anxiety, depression, family issues, or other specific needs? I have 40 years of experience as a therapist. I've been the director of counseling in two large churches and worship leader in another one. With clients who value faith in Christ, I integrate biblical principles and techniques, including prayer and the use of scriptures. I also counsel people of all faiths and will meet you where you're at. I think of myself as "warm and human first; professional always." I'm accepting new clients, including Saturday appointments.
Searching for marriage counseling with an experienced Christian-based therapist? Do you struggle with anxiety, depression, family issues, or other specific needs? I have 40 years of experience as a therapist. I've been the director of counseling in two large churches and worship leader in another one. With clients who value faith in Christ, I integrate biblical principles and techniques, including prayer and the use of scriptures. I also counsel people of all faiths and will meet you where you're at. I think of myself as "warm and human first; professional always." I'm accepting new clients, including Saturday appointments.
(520) 655-6496 View (520) 655-6496
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Spenser Hughes
Psychologist, PhD
Verified Verified
3 Endorsed
Tucson, AZ 85741  (Online Only)
Waitlist for new clients
Hello! I focus on helping individuals and couples with issues like depression, anxiety, trauma, and stressful situations such as relationship problems, work issues, and life transitions like retirement, marriage, and divorce. I also specialize in working with people who have trouble sleeping, coping with chronic pain, quitting smoking, using a CPAP machine, and adjusting to medical illnesses like cancer, diabetes, or COPD. If you are looking for help with any of those situations, I want you to know there are effective, scientifically supported treatments that may bring you relief and greatly improve your quality of life.
Hello! I focus on helping individuals and couples with issues like depression, anxiety, trauma, and stressful situations such as relationship problems, work issues, and life transitions like retirement, marriage, and divorce. I also specialize in working with people who have trouble sleeping, coping with chronic pain, quitting smoking, using a CPAP machine, and adjusting to medical illnesses like cancer, diabetes, or COPD. If you are looking for help with any of those situations, I want you to know there are effective, scientifically supported treatments that may bring you relief and greatly improve your quality of life.
(623) 292-3201 View (623) 292-3201
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Ostroff Behavioral Counseling
Counselor, EdD, MEd, LPC
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85718
My specialty includes couple/marriage, individual, and family counseling: Specifically, relationship, parenting, divorce, occupational, singles/dating, loss, depression, anger, anxiety, and stress management issues. As a seasoned therapist of over 30 years, my goal is to help you resolve your concerns and pursue a more satisfying and fulfilling life. Today's economy and unexpected life difficulties can discourage us and personal counseling can help in restoring and rejuvenating our life.
My specialty includes couple/marriage, individual, and family counseling: Specifically, relationship, parenting, divorce, occupational, singles/dating, loss, depression, anger, anxiety, and stress management issues. As a seasoned therapist of over 30 years, my goal is to help you resolve your concerns and pursue a more satisfying and fulfilling life. Today's economy and unexpected life difficulties can discourage us and personal counseling can help in restoring and rejuvenating our life.
(520) 549-6097 View (520) 549-6097
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Judy Brevaire
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85710
I am a dedicated therapist at SonderCare Behavioral Health, specializing in providing support to adults facing a range of mental health challenges, including but not limited to depression, anxiety, grief and loss, intense anger, trauma, and OCD. I am also a trained marriage and family therapist able to assist couples and families with relationship issues.
I am a dedicated therapist at SonderCare Behavioral Health, specializing in providing support to adults facing a range of mental health challenges, including but not limited to depression, anxiety, grief and loss, intense anger, trauma, and OCD. I am also a trained marriage and family therapist able to assist couples and families with relationship issues.
(520) 523-3485 View (520) 523-3485
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Krista M Galindo
Marriage & Family Therapist, MA, LMFT
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85704
I have experience treating anxiety, depression, life changes, grief, trauma, marital issues, parenting issues, and blended families.
Hope Centered Counseling provides a safe space for our clients. Our principle mission is to help our clients to overcome life’s obstacles through talk therapy coupled with a personalized program to increase resilience, cultivate solace, and find hope again.
I have experience treating anxiety, depression, life changes, grief, trauma, marital issues, parenting issues, and blended families.
Hope Centered Counseling provides a safe space for our clients. Our principle mission is to help our clients to overcome life’s obstacles through talk therapy coupled with a personalized program to increase resilience, cultivate solace, and find hope again.
(520) 457-5593 View (520) 457-5593
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Karen Faitelson
Counselor, MA, MSc, LPC
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85750
Life can be very stressful particularly since the pandemic; you may feel scared, worried, helpless and even hopeless. Life transitions can cause you anxiety, depression and feelings of being overwhelmed. You might have difficulty in relationships, your marriage, deciding on divorce, parenting issues, academic or career stresses, empty nest, midlife or existential crises, menopause, job loss, retirement, aging, illness, care-giving, grief & loss, loneliness, isolation, or death of a loved one. If this resonates with you, counseling is an excellent choice to learn the coping skills you need to deal with adversity.
Life can be very stressful particularly since the pandemic; you may feel scared, worried, helpless and even hopeless. Life transitions can cause you anxiety, depression and feelings of being overwhelmed. You might have difficulty in relationships, your marriage, deciding on divorce, parenting issues, academic or career stresses, empty nest, midlife or existential crises, menopause, job loss, retirement, aging, illness, care-giving, grief & loss, loneliness, isolation, or death of a loved one. If this resonates with you, counseling is an excellent choice to learn the coping skills you need to deal with adversity.
(520) 314-4207 View (520) 314-4207
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Entune Behavioral Health
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, LMSW, LCSW, LMFT, LISAC, LPC
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85712
Entune Behavioral Health is a team of licensed therapists that provide individual, couples, and family therapy to clients ages 18 and up. Our therapists address a myriad of conditions, including generalized anxiety, depression, trauma, marital counseling, substance use and abuse, major life transitions and serious mental illness. Entune Behavioral Health's therapists are specially trained in CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy), EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing) therapy for trauma, MI (motivational interviewing), and SFBT (solution-focused brief therapy.
Entune Behavioral Health is a team of licensed therapists that provide individual, couples, and family therapy to clients ages 18 and up. Our therapists address a myriad of conditions, including generalized anxiety, depression, trauma, marital counseling, substance use and abuse, major life transitions and serious mental illness. Entune Behavioral Health's therapists are specially trained in CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy), EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing) therapy for trauma, MI (motivational interviewing), and SFBT (solution-focused brief therapy.
(520) 492-0300 View (520) 492-0300
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Devin Gorman
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85712  (Online Only)
As a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Devin excels in working with couples and families to strengthen the bonds between loved ones.
Devin has been in the field for over 10 years. She has worked in group therapy, inpatient, residential and outpatient treatment settings. Devin enjoys guiding clients to explore their capacity for positive change through increased awareness, with emphasis on the client’s unique needs and behavioral patterns. Devin believes individuals have the ability to transform themselves and their environment by confronting difficult truths and seeing themselves as valuable and capable.
As a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, Devin excels in working with couples and families to strengthen the bonds between loved ones.
Devin has been in the field for over 10 years. She has worked in group therapy, inpatient, residential and outpatient treatment settings. Devin enjoys guiding clients to explore their capacity for positive change through increased awareness, with emphasis on the client’s unique needs and behavioral patterns. Devin believes individuals have the ability to transform themselves and their environment by confronting difficult truths and seeing themselves as valuable and capable.
(520) 210-4820 View (520) 210-4820
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Rahul Sivaprasad
Marriage & Family Therapist, LMFT
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85712  (Online Only)
A native of Portsmouth, New Hampshire I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in New Hampshire and Arizona. I am a Clinical Fellow with the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy and serve on the Board of the Greengard Center for Autism in Portsmouth, NH. I had extensive training in dialectical-behavioral and cognitive behavioral therapies. I also employ solution-focused therapy as well as strategic brief therapy. With couples, I utilize Emotionally Focused Therapy which helps clients reconnect with their partners. Specialties include: -Trauma -Internet Pornography addiction -Mood disorders -Crisis Management -Parenting -Meditation/mindfulness training
A native of Portsmouth, New Hampshire I am a licensed marriage and family therapist in New Hampshire and Arizona. I am a Clinical Fellow with the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy and serve on the Board of the Greengard Center for Autism in Portsmouth, NH. I had extensive training in dialectical-behavioral and cognitive behavioral therapies. I also employ solution-focused therapy as well as strategic brief therapy. With couples, I utilize Emotionally Focused Therapy which helps clients reconnect with their partners. Specialties include: -Trauma -Internet Pornography addiction -Mood disorders -Crisis Management -Parenting -Meditation/mindfulness training
(520) 214-4073 x1 View (520) 214-4073 x1
Zamora Counseling
Counselor, MA, LPC
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85745
Am I the right therapist for You? While you are here researching the best therapist for you, please consider the following five benefits of my practice: 1. Counseling for a wide range of issues such as: Depression, Anxiety, Marriage, Divorce, Parenting, Relationships. 2. Individual, Couples, and Teen/Adolescent Therapy. 3. 14 Years Experience in Tucson, AZ. 4. Bilingual: I am fluent in English and Spanish 5. Convenient Location: My practice is just minutes from I-10/Downtown Tucson.
Am I the right therapist for You? While you are here researching the best therapist for you, please consider the following five benefits of my practice: 1. Counseling for a wide range of issues such as: Depression, Anxiety, Marriage, Divorce, Parenting, Relationships. 2. Individual, Couples, and Teen/Adolescent Therapy. 3. 14 Years Experience in Tucson, AZ. 4. Bilingual: I am fluent in English and Spanish 5. Convenient Location: My practice is just minutes from I-10/Downtown Tucson.
(520) 366-8089 View (520) 366-8089
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Renewal Centers, Inc
Licensed Professional Counselor
Verified Verified
Tucson, AZ 85704
Renewal Centers' Providers include Associate Level Professional Counselors, Licenced Professional Counselors, Licensed Marriage & Family Therapists and an Licensed Independent Substance Abuse Counselor as well as Interns to meet the needs of our clients.
Renewal Centers, Inc is a non-profit, faith-based, counseling center dedicated to bringing health and healing to our community. Renewal Centers' Providers are educated, compassionate and thoughtful, with a proven track record of helping people find solutions to life's challenges. We work with couples, families and individuals to bring about hope and healing in all situations. We currently have 3 locations (NW (Oracle and Ina) Tucson, East Broadway in Tucson, and Green Valley/Sahuarita).
Renewal Centers' Providers include Associate Level Professional Counselors, Licenced Professional Counselors, Licensed Marriage & Family Therapists and an Licensed Independent Substance Abuse Counselor as well as Interns to meet the needs of our clients.
Renewal Centers, Inc is a non-profit, faith-based, counseling center dedicated to bringing health and healing to our community. Renewal Centers' Providers are educated, compassionate and thoughtful, with a proven track record of helping people find solutions to life's challenges. We work with couples, families and individuals to bring about hope and healing in all situations. We currently have 3 locations (NW (Oracle and Ina) Tucson, East Broadway in Tucson, and Green Valley/Sahuarita).
(520) 394-6562 View (520) 394-6562
Marriage Counseling Therapists

How does marriage counseling work?

Marriage counseling works by teaching couples concrete skills to communicate with one another and solve disagreements in healthy ways. A trained mental health professional works with both members of a couple to explore difficulties the couple may be having and helps them develop skills to address these matters. Couples who don’t have any difficulties but want to prepare for marriage may develop skills for the future.

How long does marriage counseling typically last?

Marriage counseling is a short-term form of therapy; the process may last between four and eight sessions. Other forms of relationship guidance from mental health professionals, such as couples therapy, are longer lasting, may focus on the past rather than just the present, and are tailored to the individual couple and their emotions, history, and patterns in the relationship. Couples therapy often lasts for 12 weeks or longer.

Is marriage counseling effective?

Marriage counseling helps many couples develop relationship skills that may not have been acquired or tested in a relationship; partners may be better able to communicate and address conflict following counseling. However, there are many different forms of marriage counseling, and this form of counseling does not have as strong an evidence base as other modalities such as couples therapy.

Is marriage counseling effective if only one partner wants to go?

Yes, marriage counseling can still be effective if one partner convinces the other to engage in the process. Of course, whether counseling is effective depends on the couple’s commitment to work on their relationship; however, the short-term, skills-based nature of marriage counseling makes it a relatively easy “ask” of a partner, and the hesitant individual may see its value once counseling begins.