Going into a burning building to rescue a child is brave.
Fighting for your country is brave.
Taking your clothes off is not brave. And if that's the bravest thing you've ever done in your life, don't brag about it.
So you're not a "10" in every which way. But you're probably pretty spectacular in some way, and definitely good enough in most areas of life. If ever there were a time to stop beating yourself up for being human, it is now.
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Few woman like their bodies. Ask any woman at any age about her body and you're more likely to hear about soft upper arms and cellulite rather than words of self-love and appreciation. We are surrounded by images of the photoshopped youth culture and the hard-bodied fashion models. All of us are surrounded by standards of beauty that often have nothing to do with real women of any age.
For woman of “a certain age” (post-50), it can become even more of a challenge to find anything that we (Yes, “we”—I am over 50) love about our bodies. To make things more challenging, there are few images in the media of mid-life women looking both authentic and sexy.
But there is now a movement afoot to change all that; post-50 women are showing up to do Boudoir Photography where women strip down or put on lingerie for the camera. And, it's getting the attention of the media, sex educators and bloggers.
For many women, posing naked or nearly naked is one of the bravest things they will ever do. Women have that much shame about their bodies. The idea of getting naked and reclaiming the idea of their body as beautiful is a radical and provocative act of self-acceptance. I know this; I have been doing photo shoots as a part of my own healing with my own body image since the age of 40.
I know personally the extraordinary healing that can happen for a woman on so many levels when she decides to create her own cultural shift of what feminine beauty means to her. When she steps in front of the camera, intentionally showing up as sexy, she is reclaiming herself as a sensuous being in a very vulnerable way. Women report “feeling beautiful” during the shoots, and then have the extraordinary experience of seeing themselves being sexy when they get to see the images.
As a sexuality coach specializing in women, the transformations that have occurred from doing a Boudoir Shoot have been so extraordinary that I have started to include them as one of the focal points in my retreats for women.
It's an exciting time to be a boomer, mid-life, after-50 woman. Women are showing up to celebrate their bodies in brand new ways that will shift everyone's perspective. They are standing at a crossroads of cultural norms, willing their aging bodies to be celebrated and acknowledging their desires for living a full vibrant life that does not end with a birthday. The message is clear; women after 50 want to embrace their bodies and their sexuality full-on. They are acknowledging to themselves that their bodies bring them and their partners sexual pleasure and they are no longer willing to be invisible.
Want to Read More About This?
Check out Huff Po Live's Segment "How Post 50 Women Bare Their Sexuality"
Read a great blog by a Sexy Woman of a Certain Age on why she did her first photo shoot at 50.
Jack into senior sexpert Joan Price's blog "Naked At Our Age".
Going into a burning building to rescue a child is brave.
Fighting for your country is brave.
Taking your clothes off is not brave. And if that's the bravest thing you've ever done in your life, don't brag about it.
As someone of a European background, fred, I see your opinion as somewhat typical among Americans, especially ones with a strict religious bible belt or other puritanical upbringing. It's not so common in northern Europe (especially Scandinavia, Germany, and Holland) where nudity is considered more normal and less sexual in many contexts.
In fact, what makes Pamela's suggestion especially a brave thing to do in America is that many Americans HAVE YOUR OPINION. So you've actually illustrated her point quite well.
I take it that you are really only expressing your own personal distaste or disgust with nudity outside of a sexual context? That would be a typically American view.
You said yourself, in Europe, taking your clohes off in public is no big deal. Everybody does it. Wrinkled old grannies do it.
So, it's nothing at all to be especially proud of, is it? It takes absolutely no courage to do it.
Thanks for proving my point.
Pamela is presumably in the US, so you have proven nothing. And your dismissive comments seem intended to make a woman feel ridiculous about taking her clothes off. Which proves my point again.
You missed the point completely -- he didn't say he had a problem with nudity, he said there's nothing brave about it.
Apparently, Europeans have a reading comprehension problem.
No, I got the point right on target. We are talking about America, where it is a more brave thing, counter to what the other poster's dismissive comments.
Of course it's brave, and I bet you don't have the guts.
What it's not is courageous and that's the mistake you are making. Saying here I am, not hiding behind layers and such can be very difficult for anyone.
Let's get real.
Older women don't look as good as younger women.
Deal with it.
This is a bunch of clap-trap baloney.
Sorry old ladies, you had your day, now don't ruin my lunch.
Yes, because of dismissive comments like this, it's exactly why it is a brave thing to do.
I got to say though that the lack of compassion in your post isn't exactly a chick magnet.
Who are you to define bravery. I have neighbors that haven't left their home in 40 years. One day they may leave, I don't know. But if they do I will call it bravery.
I'd hardly call killing innocent people in some foreign land bravery, but if you see it that way good for you.
Who says those things aren't brave?
Of course they are.
And there are lots of types of brave.
I celebrate all the types of courage out there.
Including the courage to face the shame of our own bodies.
Fine then, face your shame...
...in private.
No one wants to see you bumpy flabby ass.
Nobody wants to see your paunch or your puny package either. Only a male with such limitations and insecurities would post something like that.
I am in the middle of a getting healthier journey, so not quite ready for photos yet...but I am working on it.
Hey, that's the same motivation Rodgers had!
midlife crisis versus an early life one
Keep setting a good example of bravery!
I'm over 50 and I love my body. I've always been lucky to have a nice figure, but I will admit it takes a A LOT of effort to maintain it now.
Very careful eating (apparently women over-50 only need, like, 20 calories a day to live on, ha!); a little plastic surgery (don't hate me for being honest); and a daily, tough workout - either cardio or strength or sometimes both. Of course being in shape and eating carefully carries benefits WAY beyond looking good.
That said, I love the way all women look. I especially love women who are confident and comfortable in their bodies. Give me a non-stereotypically "beautiful" woman in a bikini, on a Caribbean beach, having the time of her life any day over the scaredy cat who can't even look in the mirror!!!
I'm over 50 and have a nice body. I maintain it by eating right and exercising. Years ago I took some pictures of myself naked using a timer camera and was quite pleased as to the way they turned out. I didn't show the pictures to anybody other than an appreciative boyfriend who has long since passed.
I don't wear tight or loud clothes, I don't call attention to myself. Worrying about the way I look is not something I do.
I have a girlfriend who started modeling naked at 50. I think she started doing it just to see how it would turn out and got so into it that she did it quite a bit. For her it was VERY positive. She got in great shape, lost some weight and it was a definite boost to her self esteem. She had been going through a rough time in her life and this completely turned her attention around to something new and positive for herself. And although I knew it was very good for her, I never felt the need myself. We are all very different, and have different needs, but I would never tell another woman not to try it if it appeals on some level.
My wife has done this anonymously online for 5 years in part to help self esteem and as diet motivation. It's been good for self esteem, less so for diet, people are too nice with comments ;)
I'm from New Zealand am a woman and also don't think taking your clothes off and being photographed naked is brave. Unnecessary is the word that springs to mind not brave.
I think the term "brave" here is used to describe people overcoming their own fears. So, it would be relative to your own fear. If you live in a society that doesn't ridicule nudity or think it's inappropriate, and if you have a good body self image, then for you personally it wouldn't be a brave thing.
But those who have a poor body image and are ashamed about it, it seems to me that it's correct to call it brave for them to try nudity. Or if their society ridicules it, as for example some of the other posters in this thread do, then that makes it a little more brave.
So if you personally aren't afraid to do it, it doesn't mean it's not a brave thing for someone else to do. Otherwise, applying your personal situation to someone else is as insensitive as an Olympic athlete laughing at you and saying, "What's wrong with you, you can't even run 100 meters in 10 seconds?"
I'm really surprised by the insensitivity and lack of insight of some of the other posts in this thread.
I think for many its not that they are not personally afraid to do it, they are just so afraid to do it that they lash out at the idea ;)
I don't think women of any age should be ashamed of their bodies. But maybe the more alarming concern is the level at which presumably mature women need affirmation from the images in media for self-worth. Our current "look at me," reality-show culture breeds superficial statements of empowerment. Whatever happened to quiet dignity and self-respect?
Only you can decide what is "self respect" to yourself. The same goes for dignity. When we are on our deathbeds I rather doubt anyone will be thinking "I wish I didn't take those naked photos as a mature woman".
No doubt dignity & self-respect are subjective. But I imagine on our deathbed we might be inclined to think "I wish I spent more time engaging with people I loved and having new expericences rather than wasting energy caring what people think of my naked body." Age does not make narcissism any more attractive.
You don't get it. It's what the woman thinks, not others. What you are proposing is a distortion, as if to remind older women that posing nude is pointless because OTHERS wouldn't find her attractive anyway. I can't think of a more subtly undermining comment than yours.
But this is typical of the kind of catty and undermining comments that women can throw at each other when there are undercurrents of "slutism" and so forth.
I'm assuming you're a woman. It just sounds like the kind of undercutting comment a woman would make about another. I'm a man, by the way.
What I don't undertand is the apparent need for the affirmation of others. Maybe you don't get what I'm saying. I have no desire to undermine women. Quite the contrary. By the way, I've been a man my whole life (almost 48 years), for whatever that matters. I guess cattyness is not a gender-specific quality, either. Another stereotype bites the dust...
I do get what you're saying. But consider this. Some women might get some of the same empowerment by just walking nude on secluded beach where you can't see anybody else for a mile. Or as some therapists suggest for people with very poor self-image, just standing nude in front of the mirror and examining yourself. This is very difficult for some people, and overcoming that inhibition can be overpowering.
I see too many people here jumping on the salacious and American puritanical view of it. At least that's the way it looks from my European upbringing. As soon as many Americans see any kind of female nudity, they get all red in the face, if not sexually excited, and think PORN, or something. In many European contexts, nudity is not sexual at all. Witness for example billboard ads in Germany on the side of the road with full frontal female nudity. Americans would go into a full apoplectic sexual shame fit if they saw the same thing here. To Americans, such a billboard would be about nothing but sex, objectification, etc., and to some about the devil, satan, and worse. Europeans sometimes find that American attitude bizarre if not strangely perverted, as if Americans are the ones preoccupied with sex as soon as they see any nudity, partial or full -- well, because that is their reaction in many cases. Not so with Europeans.
Sounds like a clash of cultures, and a question is, is one of those cultures wrong, OR is calling out the other wrong? The rules of a society in confrontation with another is happening under the world gets smaller with advancements that allow each other virtually into each others backyards. What do we see and not like and does it matter, does East change for West, and such. And does it lead to mutual detente or discord.
Consider that there are cultures in which it is shameful for a woman to show her face. And then there are cultures where people wear almost nothing during their daily routine. And many variations in between. So it does look silly when someone claims the culture they happen to be born into is the right one.
The only person who keeps bringing up the idea of a 'slut' in relation to the bodies of naked women is you brave, anonymous defender of nudie shots. Perhaps a bad case of subconscious projection?
OK, realize you're not going to shame someone by suggesting they're subconsciously projecting by defending "nudie shots", terms which are laced with suggestions of excessive and unhealthy preoccupation with nudity in a sexual context? If they already think such things are healthy, you can't shame them by accusing them of what they already think is healthy.
Your approach actually suggests more about how YOU regard nudity in contexts you personally think. It suggests you assume that anyone can be shamed this way, because you think the underlying shame is a universal truth.
No, it's just that you randomly came to the conclusion that I was calling women 'sluts' - a word I never use because I don't believe there is such a thing except in the minds of sick, sexist men - for simply saying that the fact that women alone are compelled to pose naked in order to affirm their sense of self worth, whilst men are not, indicates gender inequality and places a woman's looks above all else in a way that does not happen for men.
Somehow you have deducted from that that I think women who pose naked are 'sluts'. I can only conclude therefore, that you have some association in your brain between naked women and 'sluts' that you are projecting onto me. Not trying to shame or anything. I'm just trying to make sense of your thought process.
The point is not what the woman thinks, but why she thinks it. Why does she feel that her value lies in what her body looks like? In a world that didn't objectify women and their bodies, no woman would even consider it necessary to pose naked to gain self esteem, because her body and her self esteem would not be linked.
We don't live in a world that doesn't objectify women and their bodies to some degree. And it's not just limited to women. The personal ads by women for men frequently require a man to be at least 6 feet tall. And men have preferred women with shapely bodies throughout the ages.
But I think you're right in implying that the modern world and media objectifies women even further. So is your logic than that because we actually do live in a world which objectifies women, they need to pose nude? That is what you are implying.
I would only agree in the sense that if a particular woman feels empowered by doing so, than I celebrate with her in her effort. It's rather harmless, and it seems presumptuous to state WHY she is doing it. Some people get plastic surgery for very understandable reasons, others get it for some very wrong reasons. It's not all the same. If you personally wouldn't feel empowered by posing nude, that's fine too. Then don't do it.
As a 44 year old man, I work out every day, watch my diet, and am in great shape if I do say so myself. I'm much better than the average married man my age. Is it just plain old narcissism that I like being attractive to the opposite sex? There is nothing wrong with a little bit of self love, and I think it makes me far happier then those I see who have let themselves deteriorate and complain bitterly about their spouses lake of desire or attempts to get them to lose weight.
Saying "look at me" every now and then can be quite good in a lot of ways, be it a skill we have like playing a musical instrument, or even our bodies. I know I've spent more effort on mine then I ever did the clarinet.
I agree. Nothing wrong with balance. We all have an ego and there is nothing wrong with finding things to motivate us to improve our health (physically, mentally, sexually, etc.) When I use the term narcissism I am referring to the extreme (e.g., posing a picture on Facebook or Instagram and then obsessing over every like & comment). I can relate to your experience: I am a runner and stay motivated by signing up for races. As a lawyer, I wear suits frequently and I keep my weight in check by refusing to go to the tailor. If my pants feel tight, I hit the gym and the road a little harder and eat more mindfully. I don't worry too much about being attractive to the opposite sex anymore; I've been married for 18 years. Different strokes...
It's great to be healthy and feel good about yourself. It's a problem when in order to do that women are compelled to sexually objectify themselves for the viewing pleasure of others, usually men. Feeling good comes from within. There's no need to pose naked to prove yourself. Men don't feel any special need to acquire self esteem and 'empowerment' by posing naked. That's a sign of gender inequality, not empowerment.
Regardless of what you say, the experience is empowering for some women. Your attempt to reframe it as a pathology is your problem, really, not theirs.
And how is it "empowering"?
What power did they gain?
More stupid meaningless empowerment bunk
If you don't have the literary and psychological understanding and reading comprehension to answer your question, I can't help you.
" It's a problem when in order to do that women are compelled to sexually objectify themselves for the viewing pleasure of others, usually men."
Oh, what a clever and underhanded way to imply the woman is a slut. And then to imply that normal straight men appreciating her erotic beauty, or simply observing her positive confidence, is also perverted.
Sorry, that interpretation is all on you. I don't call women sluts because I don't think there is such a thing. That's a male invention. Also, I don't see where I implied that men are perverted for being sexually attracted to women.
What I said is that true empowerment comes from within, not from physical attractiveness or the opinions of others. My second point was that it's an indication of gender inequality that only women feel the need to find empowerment by getting naked. Men generally don't have to get naked to prove their worth.
Your interpretation of my comment is completely bizarre to me. You must have failed reading comprehension.
Well women seem to think I'm worth a lot more now that I'm in good shape, as compared to when I wasn't. The main difference here though is biology and evolutionary psychology. Its a far bigger deal for women to "bare all" then men, because while men want to see it, most women, at least not in groups are not nearly as compelled to. The reason that for every strip club where men take off their clothes there are so many thousand were its women stripping, is not some male conspiracy but simply that there isn't nearly as big a market as women don't go.
My wife has posed nude and had a lot of positive feedback. Physically I'm in better shape than she is but as a guy most people who would want to see me nude are gay men.
Its not that men don't have to get naked to prove their worth, its just that no one really wants to see men naked (and if a woman does you generally just have to ask, men drop their pants rather easily).
I didn't say you called women sluts, I said you implied it, which means, as you say, it's an interpretation. The trouble is the tones with you painted the picture. Still, I can understand your viewpoint if you come from somewhat different upbringing and culture. These are subjective views and interpretations.
And no, it's not a male invention. In fact, when women want to denigrate each other in the worst way possible, many often pull out the words "whore" or "slut" even if it's not logically relevant.
Perhaps it was unintended, but to say, "sexually objectify themselves for the viewing pleasure of others, usually men", does have a certain negative judgmental taint, especially compared to the very positive effect the act was supposed to produce. Sexual objectification in the general sense has a very negative connotation, and you clearly use that phrase. So in that sense, men viewing women in a context of "sexual objectification" could be seen as somewhat perverted, since it is not viewing one's wife in a loving manner at home, etc. Certainly it does not come anywhere close to the positive picture the article tried to portray.
Of course empowerment also comes from within, and that is the source. But one doesn't just sit in a chair and get it from just quiet contemplation, which is what you are saying if you insist on taking it to its strict logical conclusion. So empowerment is ultimately generated from things one does, interacting with the world, people, friends, etc. from which thoughts are formulated in context. And braving nudity is just one such thing. You may disagree in your personal situation, but that doesn't make it so for everyone else.
And no, some men are definitely into it too, at least showing lots of nudity in swim trunks, etc. Ever heard of bodybuilding? Sure some do it for the wrong reason, just as some women get plastic surgery for the wrong reasons, etc. But just posing nude seems to me a little bit healthier, especially as a person with a European background, and who thinks Americans have some funny attitudes about nudity, such as your attitude.
And no, women generally don't like to get naked to feel empowered, just some do.
As for failing reading comprehension, though math is my strong suit, I still got an 800 on my SAT verbal. But perhaps my interpretation of some American attitudes about nudity and sexuality are a bit off. I find some of them rather bizarre.
I'm not American and I don't have issues with nudity or sex. I have issues with sexism. My point referred to sexism, not sexuality or nudity. You seem to have a particular viewpoint and read comments and opinions through that lens, ie. anyone who has a critique or questions the idea that posing naked is a source of empowerment for women must be repressed or think women who do so are 'sluts'. It's just lazy thinking. I don't call women 'sluts' because I don't believe there is such a thing. I'm not judging women for what they do, I'm questioning why they feel compelled to do it. To be empowered by posing naked suggests that our bodies are our primary source of worth as women. For a woman to get self esteem from being physically attractive suggests that physical attractiveness is considered an important thing for a woman to be in the first place. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. I think women are worth more than that. Simple.
Of course we all interpret things through a cultural lens. You do, and I do. All language is in context and subject to interpretation. It doesn't mean the other culture is "lazy" at all. Or I should call your thinking just as lazy, no? That gets us nowhere.
You're slightly misunderstanding the attractiveness thing. You've sort of got it backwards. It's exactly because of the emphasis on attractiveness that many women feel unattractive. And so by looking at their own bodies and feeling brave enough to show themselves, they come to accept their own bodies more. You're thinking that they're building themselves up to falsely believe they are very attractive and competing with models? That's not it at all.
It is by accepting that your body is normal and OK that you get self esteem, for the same reason that if you think you are ugly, then that hurts your self-esteem. If you simply tell a woman that you don't care how she looks, when she thinks she's already ugly, that is not going to help. If you say you don't care how she looks because you think other things are more important, well, I would say, good try, but that will be taken as a patronizing comment and will not be taken well by many women.
Our appearance does matter, and that's a fact of life. Sure, you can tell someone you would love them regardless, save their life from a burning house regardless, etc., but would you be sexually attracted to them, etc., regardless? If you claimed that, many people would suspect you are either lying, or you are blind.
And what kind of man do you think most woman would want? One who said he honestly thinks she's beautiful, or one who honestly says he doesn't care what she looks like?
Sure, you can think, as I do, that women are worth a lot more than that. But simply saying that physical attractiveness matters in some way does NOT mean that other qualities aren't more important.
I think you're right in a way. You're having trouble seeing the viewpoint here because you are seeing it through your own cultural lens which is not American. As I see it from an American and North European viewpoint, you seem to be assuming that a woman showing herself nude is only, can only, must only, be about her beauty because if a man sees a woman nude, that's all he can think about. And so perhaps you are from a society where women should be covered up a lot, and so I can see how you would think that way. Just a guess.
You seem to think that it's not possible to pose naked UNLESS you think it's your PRIMARY source of worth as a woman. That's laughable.
There are lots of women who do modeling of all sorts, or work in restaurants where revealing dress is required, etc. I can assure you from personal knowledge that many of these women are NOT doing it because they think it's their only or primary worth. And if they heard you making that assumption because you saw them in revealing clothes, they would think YOU are sexist! As you say, simple!
We have all sorts of experts showing up on this post. Somebody above is an expert on bravery. This commenter is an expert on empowerment. The writer is deciding for everyone else where people get their empowerment from and what causes people to feel good.
I don't speak for everyone but I feel empowered when my boss tells me I do a great job. I feel empowered when I give a presentation and people tell me how much they enjoyed it and how much they learned. I feel empowered when I take a great picture of myself and people tell me how fit I'm looking. Yes, I'll be the only one to admit it, some of my empowerment definitely comes from external sources.
It's funny how on Psychology Today people celebrate deep thinking, isolation and introversion though react really badly when people use social media and take pictures of themselves.
As far as the men are concerned, some of them should spend more time taking pictures of themselves and looking really hard at them. Does one really want to present themselves in a bar with a beer in their hand? Is a man just half of a romantic couple because he can't take the time to take a picture of just himself or does he only think of himself as half of somebody else? It's okay to shave once in a while and, no, that belly isn't enticing. Not all men are guilty, but there are far more bad public pictures of men than women.
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