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Psychopharmacology
Psychiatric Drugs and Violence: A Review of FDA Data Finds A Link
Antidepressants near top of list of drugs associated with violence
Posted Jan 05, 2011
There has been an enduring controversy over whether psychiatric medications can trigger violent actions toward others. A review of the FDA's Adverse Event Reporting System by Thomas Moore, Joseph Glenmullen and Curt Furberg, which was published by PLoS One on December 15, found that such "adverse events" are indeed associated with antidepressants and several other types of psychotropic medications.
To do their study, Moore and his collaborators extracted all serious events reports from the FDA's database from 2004 through September 2009, and then identified 484 drugs that had triggered at least 200 case reports of serious adverse events (of any type) during that 69-month period. They then investigated to see if any of these 484 drugs had a "disproportionate" association with violence. They identified 31 such drugs, out of the 484, that met this criteria.
The 31 "suspect" drugs accounted for 1527 of the 1937 case reports of violence toward others in the FDA database for that 69-month period. The drugs in that list of 31 included varenicline (an aid to smoking cessation), 11 antidepressants, 6 hypnotic/sedatives, and 3 drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Antidepressants were responsible for 572 case reports of violence toward others; the three ADHD drugs for 108; and the hypnotic/sedatives for 97.
Of the 1937 total case reports of violence toward others, there were 387 cases of homicide, 404 physical assaults, 27 cases of physical abuse, 896 reports of homicidal ideation, and 223 cases of "violence related symptoms."
The adverse events reported to the FDA are known to represent but a tiny fraction of all such adverse events. This study simply identified 31 drugs responsible for most of the FDA case reports of violence toward others, with antidepressants near the top of that list.
In light of this finding, the many past shootings at school campuses and other public venues should perhaps be investigated anew by government officials, with an eye toward ascertaining whether psychotropic use may have, in the manner of an adverse event, triggered that violence.
Moore and his collaborators concluded: "These data provide new evidence that acts of violence towards others are a genuine and serious adverse drug event that is associated with a relatively small group of drugs. Varenicline, which increases the availability of dopamine, and serotonin reuptake inhibitors were the most strongly and consistently implicated drugs."
No, depression causes people
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 8:48pm
No, depression causes people to be irritable.
drugs
Submitted by Anonymous on January 6, 2011 - 6:35am
Also, can antidepressants and coffee as well as sunlight and being inactive cause people to be annoying and have a distorted perception of reality?
Sunlight/Vitamin D - Mental Health
Submitted by Duane Sherry on January 7, 2011 - 4:19pm
Sunlight is actually good for mental health, due to Vitamin D synthesis.
From the Vitamin D Council -
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/mentalIllness.shtml
There are some good links to studies on depression, autism, etc on the Vitamin D Council site (left-hand side, point and click).
My best,
Duane Sherry
discoverandrecover.wordpress.com
Distorted reality is a
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 8:52pm
Distorted reality is a symptom of major depressive disorder, not a side effect of the medication. Look up Psychotic Depression on Web MD. This idiot site doesn't allow me to post a link with the URL
Without being able to see the
Submitted by Anonymous on January 6, 2011 - 7:00am
Without being able to see the whole study I have a skeptical view of this, especially when reading their listed conflicts.
Did they screen for people being violent before they took medication? Violent? No, no I was neveeeer violent until I took this pill...
I would also think that of course there would be some risk. Medicine is frequently about the benefit/risk consideration. And seeing as people are all unique there are always going to be variations with medications, some of which may be negative.
And there are so many variables that could contribute to the "violence" that I wonder what they tried to control for. A good number of people taking medications mix those with things such as illict drugs, alcohol, etc, and never mention it.
Not to mention that the abuse of amphetamines and violence (along with other behaviors) is not new news at all. Was this also controlled for?
And given the interests they listed it is also not surprising that the drugs they did find matched up exactly to those competing interests.
It is interesting that they said:
"Thus, for 84.7% of all evaluable drugs in widespread clinical use, an association with violence appeared highly unlikely."
One study by itself is interesting but a lot more evidence and properly done studies affirming what they claim need to be done before the trumpet it blown here. I see a whole lot of possible confirmation bias going on with the blog author as well as the study.
Psychotropics and Violence
Submitted by Duane Sherry on January 7, 2011 - 4:31pm
Anonymous,
There are other studies that show the connection to psychotropics and violence. See the website of Peter Breggin, M.D. -
http://breggin.com
Also, some documented cases on WoodyMatters -
http://www.woodymatters.com/
And on SSRI Stories -
http://ssristories.com/
IMO, we do not need lots more studies on SSRI's to determine if they cause violence... There is much research to demonstrate that they are clinically no better than placebo, and cause all kinds of damage.
IMO, we need to hold the drug companies accountable... Pharma needs to provide information on the real dangers of these drugs, along with programs to help people slowly and safely taper off of them.... One out of ten adults are on these drugs... It's time Pharma was held accountable.
Duane Sherry, M.S.
discoverandrecover.wordpress.com
"Studies"
Submitted by Peggy on March 7, 2012 - 6:37pm
Anonymous -
What really needs to be done is get Big Pharma, and Small Pharma totally out of the funding of research, including no big 2 week junkets to ski in Switzerland for prescribers and researchers, no more huge speaker fees for researchers, etc.. Heck, here in LA one NAMI affiliate even has a number of Pharma sponsers. But, that is a pipe dream - we've got the Robert's Court. Free speech and all. If some Lost Wages Casino King can give unlimited millions to fund the campaign of a bombastic, philandering also- ran, then certainly Big Pharma will be able to exersize their free speech rights by giving millions of dollars to the various University's research departments when looking for a "study" with positive results to buy.
I think the FDA should be totally beefed up with massive bucks, as well as NIMH, NIH, etc., so they have the time to really do what they - the FDA - are supposed to do - certify drugs possibly not fatal.
I get an annoying feed from Drugs.com. Just about every time I open my email, there is a notification of another recall of a drug that formerly had the FDA's certification as possibly not fatal. It is a very scary thing to confront, that all the gazillions of drugs I have taken lo these twenty years, being absolutely med compliant, were all certifide by this underfunded agency that recalls previously approved drugs on a daily basis.
And recently, more and more, in my compulsive consumption of information, when reading about psychotropic meds, I noticed that, say a NIMH article, or review of a range studies for a med, I noticed that they appeared to be suggesting that certain psychotropic drugs should be used for the duration of an acute event where the consumer is symptomatic - not for a maintenance regimen (sp?). So, with my Dr.'s awareness I cut out the anti-psychotic. She did not like it one bit. But I have been fine. And now I have my memory back, as well as my cognative abilities (I thought I had Alzheimers). Lost 20 pounds of med weight over the five weeks since. No longer go out to 7-11 at 3:00am after trying to resist the intense sugar cravings, for a pint or two of Haagen Daas. I actually feel little sprouts of emotion.
And sure, it is a little scary. Prior to being diagnosed, the symptoms of my Bipolar were severe, as were the consequences of my actions while symptomatic. But bad things have happened while being perfectly med compliant. Terrible,scary things. ANd, come to think of it, I never had experienced psychosis UNTIL I was put on a maintenance regimn of anti-psychotics. who does one listen to? Who can one trust?
I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU CAN
Submitted by Anonymous on January 22, 2013 - 8:34pm
I DON’T KNOW WHO YOU CAN TRUST BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHO YOU CANNOT TRUST AND THIS IS YOUR OVERPAID SHRINK WHO RECEIVES SUBSTANTIAL KICKBACKS FROM BIG PHARMA TO BOOT.
REGARDING YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE FDA, THIS CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION SHOULD BE ABOLISHED ASAP SINCE ITS MAJOR FUNDING IS BEING RECEIVED FROM BIG PHARMA. DO YOU SEE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE. THIS GOV. AGENCY IS JUST AN EXECUTIVE ARM OF THE PILL MANUFACTURERS.
GLAD YOU SAW THE LIGHT AND ACTED ACCORDINGLY.
There is effective therapy
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 9:03pm
There is effective therapy and medication to help you with your paranoid delusions.
Sounds like you need to see a
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 9:02pm
Sounds like you need to see a competent psychiatrist.
Peggy's Boogiemen
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on March 2, 2018 - 11:47pm
Maybe we should have gotten "big pharma" out of AIDS research and cancer research and just let those so affected die in the streets.
Peter Breggin is a quack.
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 8:56pm
Peter Breggin is a quack. Google Peter Breggin and quack and you'll get over 1500 hits.
Breggin's resumé and other
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 8:59pm
Breggin's resumé and other biographical reports describe him as a Diplomate of the National Board of Medical Examiners; a "Specialist in Psychiatry" recognized by the State of Maryland, Department of Mental Health and Hygiene, Board of Physician Quality Assurance; a Diplomate of the American Board of Forensic Medicine; and a Fellow of the American College of Forensic Examiners. He also states that he is (or has been) on the editorial board of six peer-reviewed journals and has published more than 25 articles in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Although these accomplishments might sound impressive, they actually are much less than they might seem.
Breggin is not certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, which is the recognized agency for certifying psychiatrists.
Having completed three years of psychiatric training, Breggin is entitled to call himself a psychiatrist or a "specialist in psychiatry." Until 1996, the Maryland Board of Quality Assurance maintained a list of "identified" specialists. Anyone who completed an approved training program was eligible for listing. No special examination or additional qualifications were required.
To become licensed in the United States, every physician must pass an examination given by the National Board of Medical Examiners or an equivalent examination by a state licensing board. Thus being a "diplomate" of the National Board of Medical Examiners means nothing more than the fact that the doctor has passed a standard licensing exam. Most resumés I have seen do not list this credential.
The American Board of Forensic Examiners is not recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS), which is the recognized standard-setting organization. ABMS offers subspecialty certification in forensic psychiatry and forensic pathology, neither of which Breggin has achieved.
Only one of the six journals with which Breggin has been affiliated is significant enough to be listed in MEDLINE, the National Library of Medicine's principal online database.
On September 5, 2002, I found that Breggin had 33 citations listed in MEDLINE. None of these publications appears to be a research report. Eight were letters to the editor, two were books, and most of the rest were expressions of his opinion on various psychiatric topics.
SSRI's help millions of
Submitted by Anonymous on March 10, 2011 - 10:45pm
SSRI's help millions of people everyday. SSRI's are not magic pills. They don't change a person. If an individual comes from a violent back round or has anger issues, they are more likely to be violent themselves. They are also usually prescribed ssri's. SSRI's are also given to people with depression, ocd, people with a chemical imbalance. It is completely unfair to lump all these different types of people with completely different back rounds into one study. Violent people will blame their behavior on anything. SSRI's do not "posses" a person and make them violent for no reason. I call Bull Shit.
Call bullshit on it if you
Submitted by Anonymous on October 3, 2015 - 7:20pm
Call bullshit on it if you would like. However, from first hand experience, these drugs skew judgment, kill emotions and create wooden feelings ergo lack of appropriate emotions. Some cause agitation while loading and the doc pushes you to make it past that agitation to load the med to a therapeutic dose. And if they are so safe, why does a patient need to wean off of them or load them up with a higher therapeutic dose?
Instead of other therapies such as exercise, getting out of suppressive situations, diet and vitamin change, reality and behavioral therapy and teaching problem solving skills to where the patient feels they do have positive control over their situation, the docs who get paid off by big pharma tell patients to pop that pill. Mental illness is not a disease. It doesn't have medical tests that can be given to determine what is really wrong. According to a radio show I heard on NPR, a group of psychiatrists come together and "classify" a medical diagnosis and can change it at will. Now, there are babies on this shit! Open your eyes.
If you knew anything about
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 9:22pm
If you knew anything about the field, especially referring to Bill Glasser, you would know he stopped referring to his treatment approach as 'reality therapy" years before his death. using the term "control therapy" based on his concepts of choice psychology.
Violence
Submitted by Rory on July 18, 2016 - 8:56am
There are too many studies to list the confirm the link between these and other prescription drugs that cause violence. It is caused by the drugs action of changing brain chemistry and therefor chaning thought and behavior.
Rory- try citing one from a
Submitted by Michael McCarthy on February 17, 2018 - 9:10pm
Rory- try citing one from a reliable source.
Did study account for incidence of violence among untreated?
Submitted by DJ Jaffe on January 7, 2011 - 8:46pm
The report implies that because anti-depressants are associated with violence, that it is the medication that causes it. That seems disingenuous at best. The correct comparison would be to compare mentally ill who take meds with those who don't. Then you can see if meds are associated with increased violence or decreased. But the report does not make that comparison.
These studies might provide some useful background. Thank you
http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=156
DJ
Treatment "Advocacy"
Submitted by Duane Sherry on January 8, 2011 - 10:52am
D.J.,
The facts trump your propaganda.
The "mentally ill" no longer need your "advocacy".
The Treatment Advocacy Center has caused enough injury and death.
ENOUGH !!!
Duane Sherry, M.S.
discoverandrecover.wordpress.com
When did you go off your
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 9:05pm
When did you go off your psych meds, Duane?
Myth.... Lie
Submitted by Duane Sherry on January 8, 2011 - 10:58am
D.J.,
Your brand (one size fits all) of treatment advocacy (drugs, drugs, and more drugs) is built on a myth... actually, a lie.
A big lie -
"The people will more easily fall for a big lie than a small one." -
Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampft, 1925
Duane Sherry, M.S.
discoverandrecover.wordpress.com
Psychiatric drugs and violence
Submitted by Anonymous on January 11, 2011 - 1:42pm
DJ, I'm afraid your biases are showing through strongly. I hear you talk about this issue of violence by those diagnosed mentally ill, but never see you present any literature evidence of this being the case (and my understanding is that the literature does NOT support the idea that violence is more likely amongst the mentally ill population).
Now that we hear actual, scientific evidence presented, you are "skeptical?" Well, I can tell you from direct, personal experience with hundreds of foster children over 14 years that 1) psychiatric drugs can and do cause violent behavior, and not that rarely, and 2) the mental health professionals I have worked with almost never consider psychiatric drugs as a possible cause of this violent behavior, but instead react by providing more "treatment" in the form of more drugs to counteract the side effects of the drugs the kids are already taking. I have often seen kids (just had one last month) who were taking 3, 4, or up to even 7 drugs, who were still having massive behavioral issues, who STOPPED taking these drugs and were MUCH BETTER within a few weeks' time. In my most recent case, all violent incidents stopped, the child is less argumentative, more empathetic, more easily redirected, and generally more socially engaged and enjoyable to be around, once the drugs were out of his system. He was being made much worse in an effort to make him better.
I am not saying all violence is caused by psychiatric drugs. But to try and deny a thorough and objective review of the literature shows you to be opposed to actual science when it conflicts with your personal views or needs. You may not know or remember this, but Prozac was originally banned in Germany, and I believe Italy as well, because of the concern for violent incidents being a side effect. There have also been dozens of lawsuits, mostly settled out of court, alleging this fact, and there has been significant testimony in Congress to this effect, as well as some famous criminal defenses based on the idea that SSRIs caused violent acts.
This is not new news, and most psychiatrists will even admit it, though they tend to blame it on the patient as usual (well, he must have been bipolar, because bipolar patients can get aggressive on SSRIs...) If you are trying to pretend that these drugs can't have these effects, it's time to remove your head from the sand or wherever you've got it stuck and look at the actual data. There is NO QUESTION that these drugs cause violence, and we are being very irresponsible by not informing all of our clients of this possibility and screening for it at every appointment or aggressive incident. It's high time the field of psychiatry developed some quality control standards and began to adhere to scientific data rather than wishful thinking.
The fact that you are "skeptical" doesn't keep people from dying or killing others. Let's stick to facts and keep our personal feelings on the back burner, because the people whom we are supposedly trying to help are the ones suffering for our unwillingness to look the truth in the eye.
---- Steve
Another asshole playing doctor
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 9:04am
Where did you get your medical degree from?
Really Steve? This was from a
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 9:13pm
Really Steve? This was from a very cursory Google Scholar search- somewhere that I'm sure you've never been.
Mental Illness and Crime
MJ Rosen, B Teasdale - The Encyclopedia of Crime and …, 2016 - Wiley Online Library
Abstract The relationship between mental illness and violence has been subjected to much
empirical scrutiny. Early research suggested that mental disorders have no association with
violence or victimization. However, recent research has indicated the contrary. This entry will
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Mental Illness and Crime
KB Franklin - The Encyclopedia of Criminology and Criminal …, 2014 - Wiley Online Library
Abstract Crime and mental illness are inherently linked. Mental illness commonly presents
with deficiencies in reasoning, perception, and functioning, facets that have the propensity to
cause maladaptive behavior patterns that lead to criminal, delinquent, or abnormal behavior.
All I know is that once I was
Submitted by Leslie on February 8, 2011 - 3:57pm
All I know is that once I was given a sedative at the dentist and instead of the dreamy sleep I planned on, I went into a violent rage that I felt unable to escape. It took hours before I was calm and acting like myself. I have never acted that way before.
Leslie
Submitted by Rory Tennes on March 3, 2018 - 12:02pm
Leslie
They don't believe you. According to some here it has to happen to them before they believe anything. They resort to personal attacks, deny empirical data, distraction from the issue,,,, anything but admit what they do not wish to be true.
It's very insulting to have people who don't know what the hell they are talking about invalidate you. Some people are just that way, we just have to put up with them.
No Evidence
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on March 3, 2018 - 1:18pm
Rory, you haven't cited an empirical study. APA style please.
Better late than never
Submitted by Stan Dubin on March 7, 2011 - 3:29pm
For the thousands of families destroyed by the "adverse events" of anti-depressants, I'd say Psychology Today has arrived pretty late to the table. But kudos for getting out there with this post. If you follow the money and that ain't hard with the companies producing the anti-depressants, you'll find the usual suspects: flimsy research, doctored findings, bullied reps, false advertising, etc.
Actually DJ is correct is
Submitted by Anonymous on March 9, 2011 - 10:34am
Actually DJ is correct is about this being poor science. This is false logic. The connection cannot be made in this way. A study must be conducted in the way in which DJ described in order for it to able to valid conclusions.
Actually you are using false
Submitted by Anonymous on December 17, 2012 - 7:39pm
Actually you are using false logic by assuming that people could have been violent before these drugs because there is plenty of actual evidence of people who had never been violent, becoming violent on these drugs. Pages and pages. Besides, these kinds of mass shootings were EXTREMELY rare before 1950s, when these drugs started being mass prescribed. SSRIs date coincide with an enormous increase of the mass shootings and an increase in suicides. You don't even need case studies, because they date coincide and pure statistical studies of what was changed in what year shows quite clearly that these drugs is the only major change in what is happening and therefore are the cause. If you wish to close your eyes, nobody can open them for you. Even just the fact that most psychiatric drugs get banned right before their patent expires should be enough to see this industry for what it is. Hell, it spends 4x more on marketing than research. DSM is a shameful hoax, psychiatrists voting on what is a disease and what is not. The whole subject is unscientific. There is no set of axioms, no standard terminology, no standard diagnosis, no actual scientific tests to determine a disease. They are talking about chemical imbalance but there is no chemical tests made to pronounce you ill. And there is no actual scientific proof of any chemical imbalance existing yet they claim they are trying to fix the nonexistent imbalance by balancing it with drugs that bypass your metabolic pathways. And you talk about science? Don't make me laugh. I worked with the people on these drugs, taking them off. Every single one got rid of all the urges and other side effects at the end, case history upon case history. And they include violent behavior or thoughts which were never manifest before they started taking these drugs. Why would a violent person be diagnosed with a depression? Did you see a lot of depressed people being violent? Apathy and sadness are not violent, and apathy and sadness is what depression is, by definition. Talk about logic. Seriously.
Don't quit your day job
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on March 3, 2018 - 12:08am
Anonymous-Your lack of education is apparent. SSRIs are used to treat a variety of illnesses (OCD, other anxiety disorders, PTSD), not just depression. In fact, there use in depression is questionable. BTW, there are a variety of antidepressants that are not SSRIs and have direct effects on a variety of neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine. No one is saying that psychopharmacology alone is the key to treating mental illness.
Seeing is believing
Submitted by Anon on December 23, 2012 - 10:25pm
All I know is that when my depressed teenager went on an anti depressant he became extremely agitated -- requiring hospitalization. It was like he was drinking fifty cups of coffee every day or had ants crawling all over his skin. Like many other families we were told first that no way could it be the anitdepressant and second that he must be bipolar because only bipolar people become manic on antidepressants. (We will never know, will we, whether we could have avoided all of it if we had put him in therapy or--heaven forbid--left him alone.)
I know that SSRIs help a lot of people. Sometimes they don't. And in my personal experience, sometimes they make it worse. It would not surprise me at all to learn that some kids are better than others at hiding their mounting agitation until it is too late.
BTW, I would be willing to bet a lot of money, based on the 'deny,deny,deny' reaction of the treating physicians, that my son's experience never wound up in any adverse events database.
Psych meds
Submitted by Anonymous on January 3, 2013 - 2:18am
I have taken psyche meds for over 15 years, rarely giving any trouble as the wheelbarrows full of meds filled my closet. They became overwhelming with their side effects, so, on my own I started checking out the dementia-like slog through a feild of molassas with other med professionals. I also reflected, and parsed together old appointment calandars...and, well, it did not turn out sowell. I totally trusted my provider's/prescribers, but boy, what a slow,terrible turn of the screw this last year has been. I am scared of medical professionals now. They do not take it lightly at all when you start to question the ivory tower of indoctrination, as well as their ethics. This last year and a half has been horrible. If it was not for my love of my kittens, I would pull the plug, coz they certainly have me by the short and curlies.
I am actually gooing to lose my housing because of the bs my provider has flung far and wide about me.
All I've got to say, once again, the Emporer (sp?) has no clothes.
Congesswoman + CDC rule not to study SSRI link to gun-mania.
Submitted by John S. on April 14, 2013 - 7:09pm
Congersswoman Betty McCollum at Oakdale, MN. Townhall Meeting on 01/26/2013; On YouTube at 39.30 min. into the meeting...
when asked if we have a gun controll problem or the likes of a SSRI drug mania problem. Congresswoman McCollum said the she was prevented from the study of any link, and that rule did "frost her cookies" but that there were powerfull lobbies that influenced debate and then she cahaged the topic.
Give me a break
Submitted by Anonymous on June 10, 2014 - 5:52pm
Totally found this crazy "Antidepressants were responsible for 572 case reports of violence toward others; the three ADHD drugs for 108; and the hypnotic/sedatives for 97." Note: 1 in 10 Americans take this type of drug. For them to say the drug was responsible is crazy- how the heck do they know? Did the drug itself talk to them??. So if the people were taking the drug and they did something bad they automatically blame it on the medicine?!? like some sort of excuse! These people have issues so sick of people acting like 5 year olds pointing fingers! We need better mental health in this country. I take medication several of my family members and friends take medication to help with a chemical in balance that is very common among people . Should those of us taking meds become flight risks? Get locked up in a padded room?? No, because I know that I would never hurt anyone (unless they mess with my family but really I have a heart like so many others! Medicine doesnt turn me and others cold and heartless. People that do these things are psychotic and have no conscience- because how could someone with a conscience do this?? Ok off my soap box. Ugh sorry
psyche drugs
Submitted by Rory Tennes on February 17, 2018 - 10:42am
Anonymous, so where did you get your degree in psychopharmacology ? Perhaps you should do your research before commenting. It is a known fact, backed up by multiple peer reviewed studies, that psyche drugs are responsible for these behaviors. Just because not everyone who takes these drugs has the same experience does not mean it does not happen. You say you have a heart? doesn't sound like it. Perhaps do your research and get back to us after you have educated yourself and before you spout off more uneducated opinions.
Degree
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 11:54am
I got my degree in 2013. My neuroscience, pharmacology and psychopharmacology courses were taught by a Harvard graduate who also taught at UC Berkeley.
Date Coincidence
Submitted by MT on October 6, 2015 - 5:49pm
I agree with this article. The media would like us to blame the Bill of Rights for mass shootings. Truthfully, we have had the Bill of Rights for over 200 years. As far as I know, random mass shootings began in the 1960s. So if we are looking for the cause, we should look for changes that occurred in our society shortly before the problem began. And Big Pharma is a very definite suspect.
Junk science from an idiot
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 9:02am
This author has no credentials in any mental health discipline. He's a fraud.
credentials
Submitted by Rory Tennes on February 17, 2018 - 10:54am
He does not need credentials in mental health to be an investigative reporter. He is not making any diagnosis or claiming any special knowledge in mental health. He gathers the known data produced by the persons who do have the credentials and passes that information on. That's what investigative reporters and writers do. They pass on information produced by professionals . It's called reporting the news and facts.
Cherry Picking Junk Science
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 11:49am
Cherry picking junk science is not gathering data. Even if you collect INFORMATION from peer-reviewed journals, that's is known as secondary research, not data collecting.
Information
Submitted by Rory Tennes on February 17, 2018 - 12:45pm
You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own set of facts. Incidentally, the drug companies list and declare violent behavior as a side effect based on their own rug trials.
Research
Submitted by Rory Tennes on February 17, 2018 - 12:40pm
So you are saying it is not true? how do you know? Have done the research?
I can tell you from experience what he is saying is absolutely true. Criticize all you want the data. The data is there and you cannot excuse it or write it off because you don't believe it. There are numerous professionals who corroborate what Robert is saying so are you discrediting them also? How do you account for the research that shows that the drugs drive violent behavior? How do you account for personal experiences of people who have experienced it? Do you discount and discredit them too?
Anecdotes
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on February 17, 2018 - 1:15pm
Anecdotes are not peer-reviewed research. Your personal experience is anecdotal. You seem to be in need of a good psychiatric evaluation.
It's sad that some people
Submitted by Rory Tennes on March 3, 2018 - 12:09pm
It's sad that some people will resort to anything to deny what they do not wish to be true. Distraction, personal attack, denial of data,, so on. It's also cruel and unjust to invalidate the very real experience of those to whom have had the experience. Go ahead and sit in your smug denial of what some know to be true. Feel very proud about it. When you learn you were wrong you can apologise to the persons you insulted. If that is you have the integrity to do so. Have a nice day.
No apology necessary
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on March 3, 2018 - 1:23pm
Rory-There is no apology necessary. You have not cited a single peer-reviewed source.
Uneducated opinions
Submitted by Nobody's Fool on March 3, 2018 - 1:30pm
Rory is tuck on SSRIs and seems unwilling to broaden the discussion to the fact that there are a number of antidepressants that act on different brain chemistry that treat a variety of illnesses other than depression (not to mention the wide variety of other psych meds that have made it possible for seriously mentally ill people to function again, with the aid of other therapies and programs) and that no one has said that medication alone is an effective treatment. Rory is obviously over his head and is not a trained mental health professional. Maybe he likes seeing seriously mentally ill people being homeless and eating out of trash bins.
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