You mean that women who like to get their butts beat in a sexual way are not affected by this book?
Wow.
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No. Nope. No way. Not true. Incorrect. False. Nein. Non. Niet. Not in any way, shape, form or fashion. Nay! Nay! And thrice, nay! Women who read Fifty Shades of Grey (FSOG) are not more likely to be the recipients of abuse—apart from that form of self-abuse (careful now!) attendant upon reading really really poor quality literature.
A recent paper (Bonomi et al., 2014) claims the contrary (1). Surveyed women who have read one or more of the FSOG series are, the authors claim, more likely to be abused by their partners and to show hatred of themselves by risky sexual activity, binge drinking, and eating disorders. And the authors claim a dose-to-effect relation. The more of the filthy stuff you read—the worse it gets! By the time you have ploughed your way through to the end of the turgid three-volume series you are an emotional and physical wreck.
Scary stuff. It’s like every hackneyed episode of CSI where those that have kinky sex are punished for their perversion by ending up as forensically interesting corpses.
Is it true though?
A wise man once told me “The abstract giveth and the methodology taketh away”. What, actually have the authors found? They surveyed 655 college females and divided them into groups. Those who had read the first book in the FSOG series, those who had read all of them, and those who had read none of them. Then they asked questions about various forms of abuse—both self and at the hands of another.
Let’s start with the so-called eating disorders. What was actually measured? Two things.
Q1 “Have you ever fasted for a day (or more)?”
and
Q2 “Have you ever used diet aids?”
That’s the lot. No. Calling the use of diet aids an eating disorder is just scare-mongering. These people didn’t have eating disorders—at least not that we know of. I could have got the same results by dividing the group into “gym members” and “non-gym members”
The binge-drinking measure (“Having 5 or more drinks on 6 or more days in the last month”) was technically correct. For doctors, five or more drinks is a binge. For most of us—it’s a quiet night in—but let’s pass over that one to the juicy stuff, “risky sexual practices”.
The criteria the authors use for prevalence of risky sexual practices were two:
Q1: “Have you had five or more sexual partners?”
Q2: “Have you ever had anal sex?”
Really? Boy, you young people! These are the criteria for risky sexuality? I can only hope and pray that my dear sweet gray-haired mum is not reading this filth. She would laugh her head off.
The authors failed to ask a rather pertinent question, “Do you have a sexual partner?” Or, even “Have you ever had a sexual partner?” But let’s leave that glaring omission—which itself could explain all the results—aside for the moment.
In the case of the genuinely worrying behaviors—like ever having had a partner hit you, call you names, or stalk you—those who had read all three books were actually less likely to have had these things happen than those who had read one book in the series.(2) The authors do not draw attention to their own numbers that seem to show that on a number of measures reading more of FSOG makes you less likely to be abused. Why not?
Running a bunch of correlations without having any controls is a thing that we scientists call (and stop me if I’m getting too technical here) “Not doing science”.
Let’s say I have a hunch that there is a nefarious plot that links people who have been killed by falling out of bed and the number of lawyers in Puerto Rico. It correlates .96 over twelve years—I bet you didn’t know that. Well, how could you? It’s a plot by Puerto-Rican Lawyers…
Those nefarious Puerto-Rican lawyers
Well, I can search around for some correlations—but all this really tells the world is that I am obsessed with Puerto Rican lawyers (for some reason). (3) That’s why scientists control for certain factors. Here are some possible ones that don’t seem to have occurred to the authors:
Did their sample read other books? Other erotic books? Do they even have sexual partners? Have they ever had sex at all?
Here’s the thing—if you build in your assumptions at the start (that kink is bad) then maybe you can find a correlation there. Without controls all the authors have done is import their moralising and attached some numbers to it (4).
Tellingly, they didn’t survey the 60 women who picked up the book (interested in kink, perhaps?) and then abandoned it (because it’s crap, probably). Could it be—because those people combined a healthy interest in kink with a healthy interest in better written kink? I think we should be told.
I find myself using this cartoon an awful lot
I have had some remarkably po-faced discussions with people who have solemnly informed me that FSOG is not a good example of a BDSM relationship. And you know what? They are right. It isn’t. It’s a fantasy. You know something else? Hogwarts would very likely fail an Ofsted inspection.
But don’t let’s stop there. The Story of O—which is actually well written—is a terrible depiction of a BDSM relationship (5). Really. (Spolier alert!) If your partner wants you to dress up as an owl and allows you to commit suicide then then really are not paying you the care and attention you deserve. In case this is not obvious let me spell this out—do not dress as an owl and commit suicide. Venus in Furs—also a work of genuine erotic art—is also a pretty poor model for a relationship where mummy and daddy love each other very much, but occasionally do a bit of corporal punishment (6). And if you are going to base your relationships around De Sade’s Last 120 Days of Sodom…then I really don’t want to be your neighbor (7).
There is something psychologically interesting about the fact that each generation finds new ways to deny female sexual agency. White slavery, coy females, and lying back and thinking of England are concepts we laugh at now. There have been eras where women had to eat bananas in private clubs because of the effect this might have if they did it publicly. Well—some women like kinky sex and the modern moral mavens had better get used to it.
You thought I was joking, didn't you?
There is a good reason why the various paraphilias have been removed from the diagnostic manual of mental illness—unless their desires and activities cause actual distress to the person themselves. Causing distress to onlookers? Well—don’t look on. On a range of measures kinky folk have better mental health than the vanilla population (8).
Rachel Venning, co-founder of Babeland sex shops catering mainly to women said she saw a jump in kinky item sales following FSOG. "Every person on every airplane and every beach chair was reading a copy of that book. That gave people a little more permission to explore that stuff without making them feel like a freak or weirdo," (9)
A large proportion of the population are kinky (10). And, a great deal of this kink can be analysed in terms of semi-ritualised hierarchical play (11). Bondage, dominance, sadism, and masochism (BDSM). As Dan Savage puts it; “It’s cops and robbers for adults with their pants off” (12). Denying this aspect of human nature could well lead to someone with a kinky orientation mistaking certain forms of abusive behavior for their kink.
This is a useful fact to bear in mind: Spanking benches are padded. What I mean is that (some) folk can eroticise certain forms of pain in certain contexts. These folk are not wired differently to enjoy pain in general. They don't tread on a piece of lego and get aroused, and they don't enjoy being abused by a partner.
Here is a handy guide for the perplexed:
Print out and keep if you like
(Source: https://www.deviantart.com/arkham-insanity/ )
The conflation of what BDSM practitioners and abusers do is dangerous and false. It is also demonstrably, forensically wrong. So, as a further public service, here are some things about BDSM clubs that you might not know:
1)They are typically matriarchies. Women rule the roost—and this is true of swingers clubs too. Women are in short supply and any man who makes any woman feel remotely uncomfortable will be shown the door. No appeal. The other men have a strong vested interest in the women there being comfortable and happy. Anyone who threatens this is out.
2) Submissives are in charge. Submissives call the shots. They set their limits, often long prior to events, and they dictate what sort of things they want to explore and what things they do not. Anyone who doesn’t respect limits is likewise, out.
3) Reputations matter. People know each other and information travels fast. Anyone who gets a bad reputation will be ostracised and won’t have anyone to play with. Abusers can only exist in places where reputations don’t matter.
4) Hurting someone in any way other than that desired (by them) is very bad form. I once saw a very experienced and sought-after dominant guy doing an elaborate scene involving suspension and all sorts of arcane activity with scary-looking violet wands. His partner—who was in an almost trance-like sub-space state--got a cramp. She was got down quickly but her dom partner was utterly mortified that he hadn’t anticipated it. I have rarely seen someone so embarrassed.
Could you get someone who genuinely wants to hurt women at a BDSM club? Sure. But not for long. They are going to be bored—because what they want is to really hurt someone and all they are going to get is fantasy. Consensual fantasy. If you go to a BDSM club you will see a care and attention lavished on submissives that vanilla folk could learn some lessons from. I certainly did.
1) Bonomi A, Nemeth J, Altenburger L, Anderson M, Snyder A, Dotto I. Fiction or Not? Fifty Shades is Associated with Health Risks in Adolescent and Young Adult Females. Journal of Women’s Health. 2014.
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/jwh.2014.4782
2) The figures given were respectively 14.1% compared to 7 %, 37.7% compared to 38% and 30.2% compared to 41.3%, Respectively. Bonomi et al, 2014 Table 3
3) http://www.tylervigen.com/about
http://tylervigen.com/view_correlation?id=28592 Lawyers and Puerto Rico
5) Story of O (1954) Pauline Reage
6) von Sacher-Masoch, L. R. (2000). Venus in furs. Penguin.
7) De Sade, M. (2007). The 120 days of Sodom and other writings. Grove/Atlantic, Inc..
8) Wismeijer, A. A., & Assen, M. A. (2013). Psychological characteristics of BDSM practitioners. The journal of sexual medicine, 10(8), 1943-1952.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12192/abstract;jsessionid...
9) http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/us-bdsm-practitioners-idUSBRE94U17J20130531
10) Jozifkova,E. & Flegr,J. Dominance, submissivity (and homosexuality) in general population. Testing of evolutionary hypothesis of sadomasochism by internet-trap-method. Neuroendocrinology Letters 27, 711-718 (2006)
11) Jozifkova,E. & Konvicka,M. Sexual Arousal by Higher- and Lower-Ranking Partner: Manifestation of a Mating Strategy? Journal of Sexual Medicine 6, 3327-3334 (2009)
12) http://www.savagelovecast.com/
You mean that women who like to get their butts beat in a sexual way are not affected by this book?
Wow.
I'm not sure what point you are making here?
After reading the paper, I'm going to propose an alternate hypothesis. Women with a high tolerance for terrible prose also allow themselves to be abused in other ways.
Thanks for writing this article. All the mainstream ones were disturbingly uncritical of the journal article.
Thanks for your comments. yes. I personally think that anyone who can wade through three volumes of prose that tortured is beyond everyday masochism. But lit crit and moral censure are different things. And neither are science
I have more to say about this as junk science driven by third-wave feminist ideology:
http://jebkinnison.com/2014/08/25/more-50-shades-of-grey-pseudoscience-reporting/
Interesting question: how much public money is wasted doing junk science to support political beliefs?
The Donnie Rice piece at the bottom deserves wider circulation. She (it was a husband and wife team) go into detail about the specific forensic differences between abuse and consensual kink. Some people cannot believe that others can enjoy this stuff. Well, they should have the decency to value diversity. People do enjoy this sort of thing. And they are better for it.
Thanks for this article. It helps put a lot of the hysteria in perspective. Liking bdsm is not the same as enduring abuse.
It's always men who tell women to cast off thier
chains and screw, in the hopes of being the recipant
of some action. But would these same men that encourage
debatchery and whoredom in women want to take them home
to mother?
Keep you filthy debased, degenerate ideas to yourself!
Now look mom, if you can't play nicely--I'm going to have to tell dad
I certainly buy the distinctions made between consensual practices and abuse made above. Having done some preliminary research, I even buy that respondents to surveys (who practice BDSM) could be more mentally healthy than respondents who don't. (Some problems with these studies, though, are self-selection bias and failure to control for wealth and education, which could themselves contribute greater mental health.) But I'm almost more troubled by the roles alluded to on BDSM sites (like Fetlife) where persons agree to be slaves, accept degradation, etc. over time than I am by any specific physical practice during "play." (I do have an issue in that I believe that forms of physical play are addictive and may need ratcheting up for continued practice.) Having done psychodrama, I think role-playing is much less innocent than we tend to think. Powerful emotions are cathected. Roles often adopted in the S&M community could lead to psychological injury. There's a myth that the Sub always controls the action, but many participants say that's not actually so.
Hank--thanks for your thoughts. Who are these "many participants" who say that they do not control the action? Do you have references for this? Published papers would be favorite--but sources such as fetlife or IC would also be acceptable.
Be careful here. Dont confuse public play of "Im his utter slave, I have no limits" or "I'm a lifestyle dom--you will submit to me without limits!" with reality. If someone is actually doing this--then sure, this would be worrying. But play is play.
All sex can "lead to psychological damage".
I am reliably informed that you always hurt the one you love (the one you shouldnt hurt at all).
Saying that "the roles adopted lead to psychological damage" needs backing up. If all you are saying is "I can't believe that someone can get off on being tied up, spanked, called these names without it hurting them psychologically" then this is a circular argument. If you can't imagine it then the failiure is one of your imagination. Try harder.
Many of us yearn in the bedroom for actions and behaviors that we would march in protest about during the day. And that's just fine. We are homo ludens. The playing animal. As long as we can separate fantasy and reality then this is healthy. If you can't separate fantasy from reality--then you are psychologically unhealthy alright. But this has nothing particularly to do with kink
Robert, I couldn't find the thread I was looking for, but this URL gives a reading of some of the attitudes displayed toward degradation on Fetlife. In case this site doesn't accept URLs, the title of the thread is Degradation.
https://fetlife.com/groups/5852/group_posts/5819820
One notion I have (I'll try to document this more thoroughly upcoming)is that the strength of boundaries around BDSM activities vary directly with Class/SES/Income and Education.
Hank. I followed the link. Someone said "I cant understand how people are into X" and then someone else said "because Y". Which was my point. Are there people who have some disturbing fantasies, possibly even illegal ones? Maybe. Are they playing with anyone? Looks doubtful to me.
Is your thought that these sites are creating these desires? This is a faith-based claim. In case its not clear from the above--its obviously much safer to meet someone in public (such as a club) rather than hand over control to someone unknown.
But--and this is the crucial point--This has always been true. It has nothing to do with fetish. There are some psychopaths out there. Really. Here is one dating women on TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uf95INZmWI
Alcala ("contestant number 1") had already raped and killed at this point. Police think he might be responsible for up to 10 murders of women. Interestingly, the woman on the show didnt go on the date with him--"he gave her the creeps". Listening to ones instincts is a good idea.
My concern with this study is in the conflation between events depicted in fiction and people's real life behaviour and lived experiences.
My field of study is fiction, specifically the contemporary depiction of the erotic in fiction. I see a very disturbing trend, well described by Eva Illouz in her book "Hard Core Romance: Fifty Shades of Grey, Best Sellers and Society" which examines the consumption of, the media coverage of, the representation of FSOG as a self-help book, and a marketing culture that has eagerly turned that trend to its purposes.
It is interesting to note that it is only when blockbusters present erotic content that this occurs. No one read "The DaVinci Code" as a model for living.
For all our supposed openness and the immense access to erotic content available, this eagerness to present FSOG as a model of 'how to spice up your sex life' or 'how not to let a man abuse you' is equally interesting. And perhaps speaks, regardless of the enthusiasm or derision in which it's held, to how unbalanced and tenuous, how distorted and flimsy our understanding of human eroticism is.
Lived experience involving BDSM is another matter. It must be a case of the balance between common sense and self-care, with the pursuit of one's own jouissance. It is not fiction. You can't close the cover and put it down. The author of FSOG was exploring her own fantasies and knew, by her own admission, next to nothing about the real life practice of kink.
FSOG was fanfic about Twilight, originally. And, like much fanfic is almost unreadably bad. But Radcliffe Hall was also unreadably bad and has possibly the least erotic line in the whole of fiction (viz: "they were not divided"). But it was the only mainstream depiction of lesbianism around at the time--so people devoured it. There are people who turn up at S&M events or munches with a copy of FSOG under their arms--and discover that its not a whole lot like that. And that's fine--folk at these things tend to be pretty inclusive. If it prompts someone to go "hmm, I know there was something missing from my erotic life--I didn't feel entitled to fantasise about this" then I think the net result is a psychologically positive one. If they think "Hmm: I want a two-dimensional psychopath for a lover" then that would be a poor outcome! But I see no evidence of that.
One fairly reliable thing is that there will always be some people who make poor choices in regard to their personal relationships. They did before FSOG existed, and they will after the world has tucked the book away as an embarrassingly bad piece of prose. Similarly, people with a strong need to explore alternative erotic possibilities will inevitably find their way to them, be surprised that their fantasies don't match reality, and ultimately learn how to negotiate the dichotomy.
Oh, I see I've interacted with you before, RG.
I couldn't agree more. I would only add that blaming whatever is the current fashion for whatever woes are drawing attention is not news. For an amusing time have a look at what otherwise sane people said about comics in the 50s
Or what 'women's physicians' said about gothic novels in the 19th Century. :P
https://fetlife.com/groups/245/group_posts/4595510 Robert, this may not be delving into peri-play activities in BDSM, but it's interesting in that it shows how boundaries can be shaky or firm. I agree pretty much with your musings above. Hank
What you see in a scene is the tip of an iceberg. Prior to that there have been "munches" where people meet and find similar interests, discussions, negotiations, sharing of stories with friends etc etc. If all you saw was the wedding (not the planning) and thought that a woman just got dressed up and given away you might have a funny idea of what that amounted to as well. Re--safewords. Sure. Important--safe sane and consensual. However someone in sub-space may be so out of it that they wont remember to safe out. What we are talking about is a high degree of trust and rapport--advanced level stuff like competitive dance or varsity-level gymnastics. Someone might come along and watch some of the wilder dance routines and think "how can anyone endanger their partner like that?" The answer is--lots of trust, practice and mutual communication. What you see in a club (or on a dance floor) is (when done right) the end product of a lot of things that you haven't seen.
Your commentator is, I have to say, a rookie at anthropology. It's a naif error to walk into a group, tribe, sub-culture etc and go "so, you weirdoes--justify yourselves to me". You will
a) Be told to go boil your head (who the hell are you to barrack us?)
b) Learn nothing
Well, I didn't quite understand all above. As a qualitative researcher (some of the time,) I think the issue is one of putative "face validity." This means the studied group's ability to recognize itself in the researcher's findings. I realize that we're on nowhere near a formal findings level here, but I have made a few hypotheses (guesses) others here might take exception to. Basically, I don't agree with the idea of face validity. In other words, I believe that most groups (pace Freud, other critical observers) may act out processes behind their own backs, not aware of them. Also, as with many groups who feel themselves marginalized, I believe that the BDSM community tends to insist that a positive vision of its workings be presented. I have enjoyed meeting the practitioners I've met, think they're generally positive on first face, and generally humanistic. But I think there are continua in BDSM. One is likely a SES-Education variable that accounts for the many crude or abusive things one reads on FetLife. Some of this is believe me not artful enough to be part of extended play. My thought is that less gifted members often observe more porous boundaries. Another thought (I'm sure you've heard this -forgive me) is that the lifestyle is acting out (not talking out) past trauma. The notion is that it would then represent "stuckedness" not progress therapeutically. Some of the semiotics and roles, as I've said, seem to be ongoing in a troubling way. A number of people desire slaves to move in with them and sign contracts. Whether or not anyone goes for this, the desire seems to be genuine. I have a hunch that the civilized, controlled, well-policed center of upper middle class "play" is also surrounded by a more wild and wolly world of less policed, more iffy practices.
Hank, my problem with this study is that it is about a group of women reading a fictional novel. Not women who read the novel and practice BDSM.
I don't think anyone disputes that there are continua in BDSM and that all practitioners and practices don't reflect psychologically healthy behavior. Something which, by the way, is just as true of people in traditional relationships, with 'normative' sexual practices.
Sex carries dangers--emotional, physical. This is true of all sex.
This is all a bunch of hunches based on personal dislike of the tropes in play. I have to say--you dont have a shred of evidence beyond this. I am sure you are right about the middle class aspect though. Some of the "po-faced discussions" referenced above were, I suspect precisely because BDSM was being moved from naughty middle class play out into the arena where the proles were also doing it--making folk sniffy.
Here is the problem Hank--there is no way to implement your vision in people while maintaining anything approaching the values of liberal enlightenment democracy. People own themselves. They can decide for themselves what they want and enoy unless subject to coercion or disbarred from full citizenship due to mental illness, lack of sufficient maturity to decide etc. And they want these things. You dont want them to want these things--but its not your decision. You are on the wrong side of history here. Folk could not believe that pople wanted to be homosexual ("it must be an illness", "they must be coerced", "no-one could really wnt that") They were wrong. They did.
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