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Dr Jane Bewley
Psychologist, PsychD, HCPC - Clin. Psych.
Verified Verified
Wigan WN6
I am here to help you prioritise your health through personalised psychological therapy. I offer a safe, accepting and non-judgemental space to explore any physical health or emotional difficulty you are facing that is affecting your well-being. I aim to offer you the care and support you need at a time you may be feeling understandably overwhelmed. I utilise evidence based interventions that will be specifically personalised to your individual needs. Taking the time to listen carefully to the difficulties you are experiencing, we can explore how change may be possible and think together about what your goals for therapy may be.
I am here to help you prioritise your health through personalised psychological therapy. I offer a safe, accepting and non-judgemental space to explore any physical health or emotional difficulty you are facing that is affecting your well-being. I aim to offer you the care and support you need at a time you may be feeling understandably overwhelmed. I utilise evidence based interventions that will be specifically personalised to your individual needs. Taking the time to listen carefully to the difficulties you are experiencing, we can explore how change may be possible and think together about what your goals for therapy may be.
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Keisha Popple
Counsellor, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN6
I am a person-centred counsellor, who has always had a passion for helping others. I am dedicated to helping my clients achieve their goals for counselling. I believe the therapeutic relationship is a very important part of counselling and you are the expert in your own life.
I am a person-centred counsellor, who has always had a passion for helping others. I am dedicated to helping my clients achieve their goals for counselling. I believe the therapeutic relationship is a very important part of counselling and you are the expert in your own life.
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Chloe Davies
Counsellor, BACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN3
Are you struggling with anxiety, depression, bereavement and loss, relationships, trauma or stressful life events and need somebody to talk to who understands you and helps to navigate what you are feeling and experiencing?
Are you struggling with anxiety, depression, bereavement and loss, relationships, trauma or stressful life events and need somebody to talk to who understands you and helps to navigate what you are feeling and experiencing?
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Claire Duchateau
Counsellor, MNCPS Acc.
Verified Verified
Wigan WN5
Do you feel, undervalued, unheard, disillusioned, and stuck? Perhaps you are a French expat homesick and struggling to adapt in the UK? Or neuro-divergent not managing the complexities of work, emotions, relationships and life; Or LGBTQ battling against barriers and rejection or trying to come out? Maybe you have a sense that there is a lot more to life. Finding a therapist is hard. You have landed here with the hope of finding help and understanding, well done. Carrying our worries endlessly and alone is even harder.
Do you feel, undervalued, unheard, disillusioned, and stuck? Perhaps you are a French expat homesick and struggling to adapt in the UK? Or neuro-divergent not managing the complexities of work, emotions, relationships and life; Or LGBTQ battling against barriers and rejection or trying to come out? Maybe you have a sense that there is a lot more to life. Finding a therapist is hard. You have landed here with the hope of finding help and understanding, well done. Carrying our worries endlessly and alone is even harder.
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Toni Woods
Counsellor
Verified Verified
Wigan WN5  (Online Only)
Hi , I am a very laid back friendly person , offering a non judgmental place for you to express your emotions , and build a better understanding of whats going on for you right now , If your stuck in a cycle of anxiety or need support understanding your thoughts and emotions, lm here for you and will listen and provide my tools together we will work to improve your quality of life , If you are reading this im guessing you are wanting to change something in your life or try to understand what is causing you some distress ? Reach out and lets make things feel more positive for you , Toni
Hi , I am a very laid back friendly person , offering a non judgmental place for you to express your emotions , and build a better understanding of whats going on for you right now , If your stuck in a cycle of anxiety or need support understanding your thoughts and emotions, lm here for you and will listen and provide my tools together we will work to improve your quality of life , If you are reading this im guessing you are wanting to change something in your life or try to understand what is causing you some distress ? Reach out and lets make things feel more positive for you , Toni
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Clover Therapies
Counsellor, BACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN1
Hi, my name is Karen. I gained my qualification in counselling and psychotherapy many years ago in 1997. I was privileged to attend an accredited course at Salford college. I also acquired certificates in sociology, psychology, child psychology, criminology, and hypnotherapy. Alongside the hypnotherapy certificate, I completed workshops in dream therapy, sex therapy, and inner child work. Over the years I have specialised in inner child work, and have witnessed many positive outcomes from using this technique. Since qualifying, I have worked with a diverse range of issues, of which no problem is too big or too small.
Hi, my name is Karen. I gained my qualification in counselling and psychotherapy many years ago in 1997. I was privileged to attend an accredited course at Salford college. I also acquired certificates in sociology, psychology, child psychology, criminology, and hypnotherapy. Alongside the hypnotherapy certificate, I completed workshops in dream therapy, sex therapy, and inner child work. Over the years I have specialised in inner child work, and have witnessed many positive outcomes from using this technique. Since qualifying, I have worked with a diverse range of issues, of which no problem is too big or too small.
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Sarah Preston
Counsellor, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN5
If you are struggling with relationships, loss, stress, or feeling lost and overwhelmed, you might feel like you’re stuck, don’t know where to turn or how to move forward. Sometimes we don’t know what to say, how to say it or even fully understand what we are feeling; it’s often not just one thing that we are feeling but a complex mix of different emotions. Our sessions together will give you the opportunity to be heard, to explore your emotions and unpick the difficulties you are having.
If you are struggling with relationships, loss, stress, or feeling lost and overwhelmed, you might feel like you’re stuck, don’t know where to turn or how to move forward. Sometimes we don’t know what to say, how to say it or even fully understand what we are feeling; it’s often not just one thing that we are feeling but a complex mix of different emotions. Our sessions together will give you the opportunity to be heard, to explore your emotions and unpick the difficulties you are having.
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Roxan E Gardner
Counsellor, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN6
It starts with a hello...but I know that starting the conversation can be difficult at times. Life brings its share of challenges but no one needs to suffer in isolation. I am here to walk this journey with you, so you can become a better version of yourself. I am a firm believer that not everyone experiences even the same issue the same way. Therefore, being flexible in dealing with the differing needs of clients, is a necessary skill I have honed over the years.
It starts with a hello...but I know that starting the conversation can be difficult at times. Life brings its share of challenges but no one needs to suffer in isolation. I am here to walk this journey with you, so you can become a better version of yourself. I am a firm believer that not everyone experiences even the same issue the same way. Therefore, being flexible in dealing with the differing needs of clients, is a necessary skill I have honed over the years.
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Vickie Anne Grant
Counsellor, DCounsPsych, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN1
Im a person centred counsellor with 13 years experience working with a range of clients with different presenting needs from depression, low mood, bereavement, trauma related issues, relationship breakdowns, stress, and anxiety. I feel I offer a friendly but professional service and like to think I’m a warm and caring person who strives to support each and every single client I encounter. I feel my lived experiences really helps to shape the therapist I am and believe my deep empathy and caring nature helps to facilitate a safe space for clients to explored thoughts and feelings that they wish to share
Im a person centred counsellor with 13 years experience working with a range of clients with different presenting needs from depression, low mood, bereavement, trauma related issues, relationship breakdowns, stress, and anxiety. I feel I offer a friendly but professional service and like to think I’m a warm and caring person who strives to support each and every single client I encounter. I feel my lived experiences really helps to shape the therapist I am and believe my deep empathy and caring nature helps to facilitate a safe space for clients to explored thoughts and feelings that they wish to share
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Jenny Walsh
Psychotherapist, MBABCP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Wigan WN5  (Online Only)
Having worked in the NHS for over 15 years, I have delivered evidence based talking therapies to adults from a range of backgrounds. In more recent times, I have predominantly offered online therapy to people experiencing PTSD, depression, and a range of anxiety disorders (for example, health anxiety, social anxiety, OCD, generalised anxiety and so on). Working online fits in very well for those fitting therapy around work, education and family life, and is also very supportive of people living with long term health conditions. I am able to work with people aged 16+ and I am trained in Child and Adolescent EMDR.
Having worked in the NHS for over 15 years, I have delivered evidence based talking therapies to adults from a range of backgrounds. In more recent times, I have predominantly offered online therapy to people experiencing PTSD, depression, and a range of anxiety disorders (for example, health anxiety, social anxiety, OCD, generalised anxiety and so on). Working online fits in very well for those fitting therapy around work, education and family life, and is also very supportive of people living with long term health conditions. I am able to work with people aged 16+ and I am trained in Child and Adolescent EMDR.
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CM Wellness
Psychotherapist, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN6
Hi my name is Chloe, I have a practice which is located at Derby house, Wrightington, Wigan, WN6 9RE called CM Wellness.Iam a integrative psychotherapist, so this means I can use various different approaches and techniques within our sessions, such as person-centred,psychodynamic, narrative,CBT and gestalt therapy to name a few.I find being able to draw from lots of different approaches, has really helped lots of clients over the years, as what will work for one person, may not for another and so being able to access different types of therapies has been key.
Hi my name is Chloe, I have a practice which is located at Derby house, Wrightington, Wigan, WN6 9RE called CM Wellness.Iam a integrative psychotherapist, so this means I can use various different approaches and techniques within our sessions, such as person-centred,psychodynamic, narrative,CBT and gestalt therapy to name a few.I find being able to draw from lots of different approaches, has really helped lots of clients over the years, as what will work for one person, may not for another and so being able to access different types of therapies has been key.
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Claire Nicola Badham
Psychotherapist, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN6
I am a Person Centred Therapist and supervisor. I practice near to the centre of Wigan. I aim to provide a warm, non-judgemental environment, where you will feel safe to explore any issues you may have. I work with an array of issues including anxiety, depression, low self esteem and relationship difficulties. I am able to offer a telephone consultation for up to 30 minutes to enable us to see if you feel you can work with me, or if counselling is the best option for you. If I feel that another therapy would be more beneficial, I will inform you of this.
I am a Person Centred Therapist and supervisor. I practice near to the centre of Wigan. I aim to provide a warm, non-judgemental environment, where you will feel safe to explore any issues you may have. I work with an array of issues including anxiety, depression, low self esteem and relationship difficulties. I am able to offer a telephone consultation for up to 30 minutes to enable us to see if you feel you can work with me, or if counselling is the best option for you. If I feel that another therapy would be more beneficial, I will inform you of this.
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Photo of Karen Boyd-Pomfrett, MBACP, Counsellor
Karen Boyd-Pomfrett
Counsellor, MBACP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Wigan WN5
As a BACP registred qualified Counsellor. I understand that everyone is unique and no therapy is "one size fits all". With this in mind I can work with clients of all ages from 16ys upwards. I offer the Face to Face sessions from my home in Orrell. Sessions are for 1 hour Face to Face, Telephone, or Whatsapp.I am a fully qualified Counsellor/Psychtherapist and also a Trauma Informed Therapist working in HMP Prison estates (men) and I am also involved in many voluntary places. My modality is Person Centred and I also hold qualifications in Greif and beareavment ,Compassion Focus Therapy and other therapy skills CBT , Inner Child.
As a BACP registred qualified Counsellor. I understand that everyone is unique and no therapy is "one size fits all". With this in mind I can work with clients of all ages from 16ys upwards. I offer the Face to Face sessions from my home in Orrell. Sessions are for 1 hour Face to Face, Telephone, or Whatsapp.I am a fully qualified Counsellor/Psychtherapist and also a Trauma Informed Therapist working in HMP Prison estates (men) and I am also involved in many voluntary places. My modality is Person Centred and I also hold qualifications in Greif and beareavment ,Compassion Focus Therapy and other therapy skills CBT , Inner Child.
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Photo of Helen Mills Porter, MA, MBACP, Psychotherapist
Helen Mills Porter
Psychotherapist, MA, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN5
I cover the St Helens and Wigan area being based in Billinge area Do you have relationship problems? Are anxious or stressed? suffer depression or an addiction? I can help. I help individuals, couples, families and children. I work from a professional and confidential clinic. Do you feel worried about relationship problems, suffer from anxiety or stress? Have an internet or sex addiction? ? Perhaps you have depression or anxiety? I can help. I can see you alone, as a couple, I work with families and children. I am a Psychotherapist and Relationship /Family Therapist. I also provide Hypnotherapy.
I cover the St Helens and Wigan area being based in Billinge area Do you have relationship problems? Are anxious or stressed? suffer depression or an addiction? I can help. I help individuals, couples, families and children. I work from a professional and confidential clinic. Do you feel worried about relationship problems, suffer from anxiety or stress? Have an internet or sex addiction? ? Perhaps you have depression or anxiety? I can help. I can see you alone, as a couple, I work with families and children. I am a Psychotherapist and Relationship /Family Therapist. I also provide Hypnotherapy.
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Leisa Foster-Mason
Counsellor, BACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN5  (Online Only)
At LFM Counselling, we are committed to walking alongside you in your journey towards growth and healing. We help you explore personal obstacles, process feelings, and build resilience. Let us guide you towards a brighter future. Approaching every adult and teenage client with genuine care, empathy and warmth. Ensuring that you feel supported and understood throughout your therapeutic journey. Dedicated to walking alongside you, helping you to develop autonomy in understanding, skills, strategies and in your outlook on life.
At LFM Counselling, we are committed to walking alongside you in your journey towards growth and healing. We help you explore personal obstacles, process feelings, and build resilience. Let us guide you towards a brighter future. Approaching every adult and teenage client with genuine care, empathy and warmth. Ensuring that you feel supported and understood throughout your therapeutic journey. Dedicated to walking alongside you, helping you to develop autonomy in understanding, skills, strategies and in your outlook on life.
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Photo of Sara Luisa - Papillon Psychotherapy, Psychotherapist
Papillon Psychotherapy
Psychotherapist
Verified Verified
Wigan WN6
Are you ready to move from struggle to freedom? Do you want to move from surviving to thriving? Hi, I’m Sara and whatever your current challenges, whether in relationship, with low self-esteem, anxiety, depression or trauma, our work together will enable you to begin to move through feelings of stuckness and pain towards healing and peace. ​I'm passionate about empowering my clients to gain clarity and heal the relationship towards themselves and others so they can live the life they truly deserve. If you're looking in-depth healing and lasting change, you've landed in the right place.
Are you ready to move from struggle to freedom? Do you want to move from surviving to thriving? Hi, I’m Sara and whatever your current challenges, whether in relationship, with low self-esteem, anxiety, depression or trauma, our work together will enable you to begin to move through feelings of stuckness and pain towards healing and peace. ​I'm passionate about empowering my clients to gain clarity and heal the relationship towards themselves and others so they can live the life they truly deserve. If you're looking in-depth healing and lasting change, you've landed in the right place.
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Photo of Patricia Broadhurst - Patricia Broadhurst Therapy, PsychD, MNCPS Acc., Psychotherapist
Patricia Broadhurst Therapy
Psychotherapist, PsychD, MNCPS Acc.
Verified Verified
Wigan WN2
Are you feeling lost or stuck but perhaps can't understand why? I can help you to understand how difficult experiences and trauma have impacted on the way you are feeling now. Together we can work to find strategies for healing and recovery so that you will feel empowered to move forward with strength. I work pluralistically, which means I do not adhere to one specific modality. I will work in a way that feels right for you, is safe, secure and confidential. My goal is for you to live your best life.
Are you feeling lost or stuck but perhaps can't understand why? I can help you to understand how difficult experiences and trauma have impacted on the way you are feeling now. Together we can work to find strategies for healing and recovery so that you will feel empowered to move forward with strength. I work pluralistically, which means I do not adhere to one specific modality. I will work in a way that feels right for you, is safe, secure and confidential. My goal is for you to live your best life.
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Be Better Counselling
Counsellor, BACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN3
As a fully-qualified and experienced counsellor, I take a holistic approach to person centred therapy. I believe firmly in the importance of building up a strong relationship with my clients in order to improve their self-esteem and empower them to make the necessary changes in their lives. Offering a non-judgemental and approachable listening ear, it’s my mission to help those who need it most, especially those who have already had a negative experience of counselling, I practice in a safe, welcoming and comfortable environment.
As a fully-qualified and experienced counsellor, I take a holistic approach to person centred therapy. I believe firmly in the importance of building up a strong relationship with my clients in order to improve their self-esteem and empower them to make the necessary changes in their lives. Offering a non-judgemental and approachable listening ear, it’s my mission to help those who need it most, especially those who have already had a negative experience of counselling, I practice in a safe, welcoming and comfortable environment.
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Photo of Samantha Doyle, BACP, Counsellor
Samantha Doyle
Counsellor, BACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN4
Do you find yourself feeling alone or misunderstood? Lacking in confidence? Or maybe you are going through a challenging life event, such as a relationship breakdown, loss of a job, parenting issues and experiencing depression, anxiety or low mood. Whatever the struggle I will sit with you and support you in self-exploration, with a listening ear, working through the uncomfortable feelings and challenging thought processes, giving you the confidence to become more of who you are, have increased self-esteem and find the resources within to move forward in life more easily.
Do you find yourself feeling alone or misunderstood? Lacking in confidence? Or maybe you are going through a challenging life event, such as a relationship breakdown, loss of a job, parenting issues and experiencing depression, anxiety or low mood. Whatever the struggle I will sit with you and support you in self-exploration, with a listening ear, working through the uncomfortable feelings and challenging thought processes, giving you the confidence to become more of who you are, have increased self-esteem and find the resources within to move forward in life more easily.
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Photo of Kerry Thorpe - Kerry Thorpe Therapy, DCounsPsych, MBACP, Counsellor
Kerry Thorpe Therapy
Counsellor, DCounsPsych, MBACP
Verified Verified
Wigan WN4
Are you a couple looking for support with enhancing your communication and the quality of your connection with your partner? Are you an individual looking for an experienced counsellor who can work with a wide range of issues? Perhaps you have experienced difficulty in your relationship or life and want to work through, heal from and process this in therapy. Perhaps you are looking for growth and forward movement, individually, or with your partner. You may want to feel more enjoyment in life and be able to respond to stressful situations in a different way?
Are you a couple looking for support with enhancing your communication and the quality of your connection with your partner? Are you an individual looking for an experienced counsellor who can work with a wide range of issues? Perhaps you have experienced difficulty in your relationship or life and want to work through, heal from and process this in therapy. Perhaps you are looking for growth and forward movement, individually, or with your partner. You may want to feel more enjoyment in life and be able to respond to stressful situations in a different way?
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How does your Counsellor compare?

Number of Counsellors in Wigan

60+

Average cost per session

£50

Counsellors in Wigan who prioritize treating:

92% Anxiety
89% Depression
86% Self Esteem
83% Relationship Issues
83% Stress
74% Bereavement
68% Trauma and PTSD

Average years in practice

9 Years

Top 3 insurances accepted

48% Bupa
38% Aviva
38% Vitality

How Counsellors in Wigan see their clients

82% In Person and Online
18% Online Only

Gender breakdown

78% Female
21% Male
1% Non-Binary
FAQs - About Therapy and Counselling

How can I find a therapist in Wigan?

Search for nearby therapists or counsellors by inputting your city, postcode, or a provider’s name into the search bar. From there, you can filter providers by the issues they treat, cost, insurance, gender, and other factors to find providers who are well-suited to your needs. To navigate between locations within the same country, enter a new city or postcode into the search bar.

Learn more about how to find a therapist

Is everyone in the Psychology Today Therapy Directory a licensed therapist?

Counsellors and Psychotherapists listed in the directory are members of the main professional associations, mainly the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy (BACP) and the UK Council for Psychotherapy (UKCP). Most Psychologists in the directory are accredited members of the British Psychological Society (BPS) and/or are registered in the Health and Care Professions Council (HPCP).

Providers whose professional membership or primary credential has been verified by Psychology Today are signified by a “Verified” symbol. Given that professional memberships are not a statutory requirement for psychotherapists and counsellors in the UK, certain qualified professionals or organisations may choose not to maintain such memberships despite possessing the necessary qualifications. They may be selectively included without the “Verified” seal.

What’s the difference between a psychologist, a therapist, and a counsellor?

Counsellors, psychotherapists and psychologists can all provide counselling or talking therapy and have credentials and experience that enable them to do so in the UK. Psychologists have earned a degree in psychology and many are members of the British Psychological Society (BPS) and have completed a postgraduate qualification in a specialism. Counsellors and Psychotherapists are not required to have a psychology degree, but to belong to a professional organisation such as the BACP or UKCP, they are required to have completed a training course as well as clinical and supervision hours.

What type of therapy is right for me?

The type of therapy best suited to a particular individual depends on several factors, including their primary reason for seeking therapy, their preferred timeline (some therapy types last for a set number of sessions, while others are open-ended), and their personality and preferences—some may prefer a more structured approach. For many individuals, multiple types of therapy could provide a good fit.

How much does therapy cost?

The cost of therapy depends on a number of variables, including location and the therapist’s experience and training. On average, a therapy session in the UK could be between £30 - £60 when seeing a counsellor and £60 - £150 and up when seeing a clinical psychologist. If you have private insurance, your plan may cover some if not all of your sessions. You should contact your insurance provider to determine if they provide coverage for therapy sessions and to determine what, if any, requirements they might have in order for your sessions to be covered, such as a referral from your GP or medical specialist.

What are more affordable or low cost therapy solutions?

Many therapists offer sliding scale payments, usually on a limited number of slots, which consists in an agreement between the therapist and a client to pay a reduced rate. Therapists who provide such arrangements often consider the client's income or ability to pay, but the extent of the discount is ultimately at the therapist's discretion. Furthermore, while group therapy may have different goals and benefits compared to individual therapy, it can be a more affordable solution to address certain types of issues.

If you are struggling to access therapy due to budget constraints, you could also consider public funded mental health services. The NHS Talking therapies programme offers free of charge counselling for common mental health problems like anxiety and depression. The service is available to anyone registered with a GP, though you do not necessarily need to be referred by your GP and can refer yourself directly to a Talking therapies service. The service will provide different solutions, including group and individual therapy, for a limited number of sessions which are generally up to six.

Is online therapy cheaper than in-person therapy?

Many therapists charge the same amount for online therapy as they do for in-person therapy—though clients may still find this cost-effective if it cuts down on their transportation costs. Health insurance plans often offer equivalent coverage for online and in-person therapy; indeed, in many places, they are legally required to do so. Text-based or on-demand therapy apps may be cheaper than traditional one-on-one psychotherapy; however, the practice may be less effective and is not likely to be covered by insurance.

Is online therapy a good option?

Therapy conducted online can be just as effective as in-person therapy, as long as there is a strong alliance between the client and the therapist. To find a therapist who provides telehealth services to clients in your area, click “Online Therapy” on the directory homepage and search by your city or town or your postcode.

Are therapy sessions confidential?

Therapists who are part of a professional organisation such as the BACP, the UKCP, or BPS are bound by an ethical framework that requires them to uphold a confidentiality agreement. Confidentiality is a crucial part of the therapeutic relationship and only under specific circumstances, such as when there has been participation in a criminal act or act of terror, or if there is potential or known harm to the client or others, will a therapist be obligated to break the agreement. These exceptions to the confidentiality agreement are usually discussed during the initial consultation.