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Hidden Gem Psychology Service
Psychotherapist, MBABCP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Hull HU1  (Online Only)
I have also trained in a range of other therapies, such as EMDR, NET, DBT, CFT and ACT.
I am passionate about trauma-informed care and utilise a whole-person approach. Trauma can often underpin common mental health difficulties, and I can work with you to process the source of your difficulties and/or focus on your current symptoms. You may wish to focus on your current experiences of depression, anxiety, etc., or wish to address the underlying difficulties that have led to these. I also have a keen interest in complex trauma, dissociation, childhood emotional neglect, medically unexplained symptoms, functional neurological disorder, chronic pain, chronic fatigue and other physical difficulties.
I have also trained in a range of other therapies, such as EMDR, NET, DBT, CFT and ACT.
I am passionate about trauma-informed care and utilise a whole-person approach. Trauma can often underpin common mental health difficulties, and I can work with you to process the source of your difficulties and/or focus on your current symptoms. You may wish to focus on your current experiences of depression, anxiety, etc., or wish to address the underlying difficulties that have led to these. I also have a keen interest in complex trauma, dissociation, childhood emotional neglect, medically unexplained symptoms, functional neurological disorder, chronic pain, chronic fatigue and other physical difficulties.
01427 808045 View 01427 808045
Photo of Dr Claire Wilson, Psychologist in Hull, England
Dr Claire Wilson
Psychologist, PsychD, HCPC - Clin. Psych.
Verified Verified
Hull HU1
I'm Dr Claire Wilson, Clinical Psychologist and Director of The Psychology Place. Covering Hull and East Riding we can offer a range of therapies by highly qualified and experienced Clinical Psychologists working with the full age range from children to adults. Our Director Dr Claire Wilson is a highly experienced Clinical Psychologist and trauma specialist having held senior NHS roles in adult and child mental health services. We offer a range of services including specialist therapy, assessment and expert witness work. In all areas Dr Wilson brings her specialist trauma skills and knowledge and considerable expertise.
I'm Dr Claire Wilson, Clinical Psychologist and Director of The Psychology Place. Covering Hull and East Riding we can offer a range of therapies by highly qualified and experienced Clinical Psychologists working with the full age range from children to adults. Our Director Dr Claire Wilson is a highly experienced Clinical Psychologist and trauma specialist having held senior NHS roles in adult and child mental health services. We offer a range of services including specialist therapy, assessment and expert witness work. In all areas Dr Wilson brings her specialist trauma skills and knowledge and considerable expertise.
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Fortis Therapy and Training
Psychotherapist, MA, MBACP Accred
Verified Verified
Hull HU3
We provide the gold standard in counselling and psychotherapy. A multi award-winning practise, Fortis specialises in supporting all ages and all difficulties, providing a range of different therapeutic models to support you in the most effective way we can. We are passionate about supporting you with your mental health and emotional wellbeing. We do not have waiting lists at Fortis, we aim to see you as soon as possible and match your needs with the right therapist for you, to ensure you have the best experience possible.
We provide the gold standard in counselling and psychotherapy. A multi award-winning practise, Fortis specialises in supporting all ages and all difficulties, providing a range of different therapeutic models to support you in the most effective way we can. We are passionate about supporting you with your mental health and emotional wellbeing. We do not have waiting lists at Fortis, we aim to see you as soon as possible and match your needs with the right therapist for you, to ensure you have the best experience possible.
01472 517214 View 01472 517214

Online Therapists

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Miftau Iddrisu
Psychotherapist, MBABCP
Verified Verified
Manchester M1
Hello My name is Miftau Iddrisu. I am an accredited CBT therapist. I am also a qualified DBT, RO-DBT,EMDR, schema therapist. I also provide hypnotherapy. I work with both young people and adults. I provide Skype treatments and I have experience offering treatment in outside United Kingdom.
Hello My name is Miftau Iddrisu. I am an accredited CBT therapist. I am also a qualified DBT, RO-DBT,EMDR, schema therapist. I also provide hypnotherapy. I work with both young people and adults. I provide Skype treatments and I have experience offering treatment in outside United Kingdom.
0161 850 9443 View 0161 850 9443
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Georgia Williams
Psychotherapist, MBABCP
Verified Verified
Tamworth B79  (Online Only)
I provide both CBT and EMDR and I have also worked within a DBT service teaching life skills and mindfulness.
Are you struggling with anxiety or depression? As an accredited psychological therapist with over 20 years of experience working in the NHS, I am dedicated to providing a safe, supportive and nonjudgmental space for individuals seeking to overcome life's challenges. With my guidance I will help you to learn new skills to manage your mental health and wellbeing and support you to become your own therapist.
I provide both CBT and EMDR and I have also worked within a DBT service teaching life skills and mindfulness.
Are you struggling with anxiety or depression? As an accredited psychological therapist with over 20 years of experience working in the NHS, I am dedicated to providing a safe, supportive and nonjudgmental space for individuals seeking to overcome life's challenges. With my guidance I will help you to learn new skills to manage your mental health and wellbeing and support you to become your own therapist.
01827 948498 View 01827 948498
Photo of Gail Marie Hickman, Psychologist in Hull, England
Gail Marie Hickman
Psychologist, PsychD, HCPC - Couns. Psych.
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Darlington DL3
My work is based upon an integrative model drawing on a number of therapeutic models including cognitive-behavioural therapy, psychodynamic, person-centred, DBT and mindfulness.
I am a qualified Counselling Psychologist delivering a variety of therapies in Darlington. My aim is to offer a safe and confidential space for you to explore your current difficulties thereby, facilitating your journey to improved well-being and happiness. I believe the key element for positive therapy is a good therapeutic relationship between my clients and myself. Therapy is designed to meet your individual needs and at a pace that is appropriate to your needs. Initial appointments are offered at a reduced rate in order for you to decide whether therapy is right for you at this time.
My work is based upon an integrative model drawing on a number of therapeutic models including cognitive-behavioural therapy, psychodynamic, person-centred, DBT and mindfulness.
I am a qualified Counselling Psychologist delivering a variety of therapies in Darlington. My aim is to offer a safe and confidential space for you to explore your current difficulties thereby, facilitating your journey to improved well-being and happiness. I believe the key element for positive therapy is a good therapeutic relationship between my clients and myself. Therapy is designed to meet your individual needs and at a pace that is appropriate to your needs. Initial appointments are offered at a reduced rate in order for you to decide whether therapy is right for you at this time.
01325 525733 View 01325 525733
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City Centre Therapy
Psychotherapist, MSc, MBACP
Verified Verified
Manchester M2
We provide traditional Humanistic Counselling, Psychotherapy, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavioural Therapy (DBT,) Eye Movement Desensitisation and Processing (EMDR), Couples Therapy, Children and Young Persons Therapy.
An important part in your journey to finding a therapist in Manchester is trying to get a feel for them through your research. One of the most important aspects about our approach is being able to generate warmth, friendliness and to put you at ease as quickly as possible. We are the one of the North West most successful therapy practices. We apply the latest approaches combined with time tested traditional styles to ensure you get results. We work With adults, couples, children and young people.
We provide traditional Humanistic Counselling, Psychotherapy, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behavioural Therapy (DBT,) Eye Movement Desensitisation and Processing (EMDR), Couples Therapy, Children and Young Persons Therapy.
An important part in your journey to finding a therapist in Manchester is trying to get a feel for them through your research. One of the most important aspects about our approach is being able to generate warmth, friendliness and to put you at ease as quickly as possible. We are the one of the North West most successful therapy practices. We apply the latest approaches combined with time tested traditional styles to ensure you get results. We work With adults, couples, children and young people.
0161 706 2082 View 0161 706 2082
Photo of Heather Howard-Thompson, Psychotherapist in Hull, England
Heather Howard-Thompson
Psychotherapist, MBABCP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Barnsley S75
I am an accredited Cognitive Behavioural Psychotherapist, EMDR and DBT Practitioner. My background is in mental health nursing (since 1997!). I have extensive experience in working with clients struggling with emotional regulation, anxiety, complex trauma and a range of common mental health problems. I am the founder and director of Yorkshire Psychotherapy Ltd, a private therapy practice and have a team of associates that work with children, adolescents and adults.
I am an accredited Cognitive Behavioural Psychotherapist, EMDR and DBT Practitioner. My background is in mental health nursing (since 1997!). I have extensive experience in working with clients struggling with emotional regulation, anxiety, complex trauma and a range of common mental health problems. I am the founder and director of Yorkshire Psychotherapy Ltd, a private therapy practice and have a team of associates that work with children, adolescents and adults.
01226 337525 View 01226 337525
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Nigel Magowan
Psychotherapist, MUKCP
Verified Verified
Manchester M1
I am an experienced psychotherapist and have been in full-time private practice in Manchester since 2002. I use a flexible integrative approach and offer both long-term psychotherapy and counselling, as well as short-term therapies. I integrate psychotherapy with CBT, EMDR, Somatic Therapies, IFS, Focusing, DBT Skills, DBR, NLP and life coaching. I have experience of working with a wide range of issues including anxiety, PTSD, Complex PTSD, bereavement, BPD, depression, stress, abuse, generalised anxiety, OCD, public speaking, low self-esteem, relationship issues, shame, IBS and pain management. I am BACP and UKCP registered.
I am an experienced psychotherapist and have been in full-time private practice in Manchester since 2002. I use a flexible integrative approach and offer both long-term psychotherapy and counselling, as well as short-term therapies. I integrate psychotherapy with CBT, EMDR, Somatic Therapies, IFS, Focusing, DBT Skills, DBR, NLP and life coaching. I have experience of working with a wide range of issues including anxiety, PTSD, Complex PTSD, bereavement, BPD, depression, stress, abuse, generalised anxiety, OCD, public speaking, low self-esteem, relationship issues, shame, IBS and pain management. I am BACP and UKCP registered.
0161 696 3016 View 0161 696 3016
Photo of Dr Catherine Bavister, Psychologist in Hull, England
Dr Catherine Bavister
Psychologist, PsychD, HCPC - Clin. Psych.
Verified Verified
Loughborough LE12
DBT, Systemic, Attachment, Psychodynamic.
I’m Catherine, Clinical Psychologist, with the HCPC. I'm here if you need support with your mood, coping or dealing with your past. I aim to offer a friendly, non-judgemental space, where we can get stuck in to understanding how you tick, to work through the problems you bring. You might have a clear idea of what you want, but I otherwise draw on various therapy approaches to personalise strategies so you can do what works for you, to make the changes you need. I work with anxiety disorders (including panic, phobia, stress, OCD), PTSD, depression, and I have a keen interest in ASD.
DBT, Systemic, Attachment, Psychodynamic.
I’m Catherine, Clinical Psychologist, with the HCPC. I'm here if you need support with your mood, coping or dealing with your past. I aim to offer a friendly, non-judgemental space, where we can get stuck in to understanding how you tick, to work through the problems you bring. You might have a clear idea of what you want, but I otherwise draw on various therapy approaches to personalise strategies so you can do what works for you, to make the changes you need. I work with anxiety disorders (including panic, phobia, stress, OCD), PTSD, depression, and I have a keen interest in ASD.
0115 647 6924 View 0115 647 6924
Photo of Lindsay Wilkinson, Psychologist in Hull, England
Lindsay Wilkinson
Psychologist, HCPC - Clin. Psych.
Verified Verified
Jarrow NE32
I am a dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) qualified therapist and have experience in working in this area for 15 years.
I specialise in working with individuals who have difficulties in managing their emotions and therefore struggle with things like relationships, drinking, substance use, self harming and other impulsive behaviour. You don't need a formal diagnosis to work with me, but I do have a speciality of working with people with personality disorders. I also have lots of experience of working with people who have had traumatic histories and are struggling to manage as a result. This might mean they are depressed, anxious or just finding trusting people hard. As well as these specialities, I also work with all major mental health issues
I am a dialectical behaviour therapy (DBT) qualified therapist and have experience in working in this area for 15 years.
I specialise in working with individuals who have difficulties in managing their emotions and therefore struggle with things like relationships, drinking, substance use, self harming and other impulsive behaviour. You don't need a formal diagnosis to work with me, but I do have a speciality of working with people with personality disorders. I also have lots of experience of working with people who have had traumatic histories and are struggling to manage as a result. This might mean they are depressed, anxious or just finding trusting people hard. As well as these specialities, I also work with all major mental health issues
0191 917 9403 View 0191 917 9403
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Helen Cleary
Counsellor, MBACP
Verified Verified
Hale WA15
This allows me to draw upon evidence-based approaches designed to meet specific situations, ACT, DBT skills, CBT, CFT and EMDR.
Hi, welcome to my profile. I deal with a wide range of mental health issues including depression, trauma, low self-esteem, gender identity, anger and relationship issues. As each client has their own story I believe it is important to understand and provide an approach tailored to your specific needs. This offers every client a safe and comfortable environment where a relaxed working relationship can be created. This will allow us to build a foundation based on trust to explore your reasons for therapy and to explore the impacts of your thoughts, feelings and behaviours and how they affect your life.
This allows me to draw upon evidence-based approaches designed to meet specific situations, ACT, DBT skills, CBT, CFT and EMDR.
Hi, welcome to my profile. I deal with a wide range of mental health issues including depression, trauma, low self-esteem, gender identity, anger and relationship issues. As each client has their own story I believe it is important to understand and provide an approach tailored to your specific needs. This offers every client a safe and comfortable environment where a relaxed working relationship can be created. This will allow us to build a foundation based on trust to explore your reasons for therapy and to explore the impacts of your thoughts, feelings and behaviours and how they affect your life.
01565 748958 View 01565 748958
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Emma Drake
Counsellor, MBACP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
York YO1
Waitlist for new clients
I may draw from other therapeutic approaches such as CBT, Solution Focused or Dialectical Behaviour Therapy.
I’m Emma, a fully qualified BACP registered counsellor, offering face-to-face counselling in central York or, if preferred, online therapy. I understand from personal experience Counselling can be a daunting prospect and it can take a lot of courage to ask for support. I am professional but down-to-earth and offer a safe and accepting environment which feels safe for you to share your difficulties. I offer a free 30 minute initial assessment meeting, whereby I can answer any questions or concerns you may have and you can decide if you feel I’m the right counsellor for you. Concessions for students and Blue Light card holders.
I may draw from other therapeutic approaches such as CBT, Solution Focused or Dialectical Behaviour Therapy.
I’m Emma, a fully qualified BACP registered counsellor, offering face-to-face counselling in central York or, if preferred, online therapy. I understand from personal experience Counselling can be a daunting prospect and it can take a lot of courage to ask for support. I am professional but down-to-earth and offer a safe and accepting environment which feels safe for you to share your difficulties. I offer a free 30 minute initial assessment meeting, whereby I can answer any questions or concerns you may have and you can decide if you feel I’m the right counsellor for you. Concessions for students and Blue Light card holders.
01347 668139 View 01347 668139
Photo of Dr Anita K Sudan, Psychologist in Hull, England
Dr Anita K Sudan
Psychologist, HCPC - Clin. Psych.
Verified Verified
Leicester LE7
I have experience working with young people and adults and I use a range of psychological therapies including DBT, CFT, EMDR.
Life is full of events, relationships, stresses and strains and all these impact on us in many different ways. It can affect all the important things to us such as school, work, relationships and our own perception of ourselves. This can be tiring and overwhelming. Fortunately, it doesn’t have to be this way and I believe strongly that a person can benefit from having a space to discuss their feelings and develop ideas and strategies to improve their emotional wellbeing.
I have experience working with young people and adults and I use a range of psychological therapies including DBT, CFT, EMDR.
Life is full of events, relationships, stresses and strains and all these impact on us in many different ways. It can affect all the important things to us such as school, work, relationships and our own perception of ourselves. This can be tiring and overwhelming. Fortunately, it doesn’t have to be this way and I believe strongly that a person can benefit from having a space to discuss their feelings and develop ideas and strategies to improve their emotional wellbeing.
0116 497 6798 View 0116 497 6798
Photo of Dr Raj Kaur Dhanjal, Psychologist in Hull, England
Dr Raj Kaur Dhanjal
Psychologist, PsychD, HCPC - Clin. Psych.
Verified Verified
Leeds LS8
g DBT, CBT and EMDR.
Undertaking psychotherapy is a big step and it is important that you find the right professional and approach. I have always felt that people should have choice when it comes to embarking on something that is deeply personal. I am passionate about delivering psychological interventions that are collaborative and tailored to a individual person. There are many different types of evidence based psychological interventions, some that focus more on the past e.g your early upbringing and some that focus less on this and more on the present day
g DBT, CBT and EMDR.
Undertaking psychotherapy is a big step and it is important that you find the right professional and approach. I have always felt that people should have choice when it comes to embarking on something that is deeply personal. I am passionate about delivering psychological interventions that are collaborative and tailored to a individual person. There are many different types of evidence based psychological interventions, some that focus more on the past e.g your early upbringing and some that focus less on this and more on the present day
0113 519 1033 View 0113 519 1033
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Shaun Noteman
Counsellor, MNCPS Acc.
Verified Verified
Preston PR2
As a professional mental health therapist i utilise a range of interventions including counselling, psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, CBT, DBT, EMDR. to support and provide therapy. My work and life experience means i am able to relate well and work with sufferers of anxiety, depression, trauma, mood disorders and developmental disorders such as ADHD, ADD, Spectrum disorders. Additionally, i provide therapy for OCD, phobias and other behavioural issues.
As a professional mental health therapist i utilise a range of interventions including counselling, psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, CBT, DBT, EMDR. to support and provide therapy. My work and life experience means i am able to relate well and work with sufferers of anxiety, depression, trauma, mood disorders and developmental disorders such as ADHD, ADD, Spectrum disorders. Additionally, i provide therapy for OCD, phobias and other behavioural issues.
01772 958120 View 01772 958120
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Patrick Doyle
Psychotherapist, MA, MBACP
Verified Verified
Accrington BB5
I am highly adept in the application of: Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT), Integrative Psychotherapy, Psychosocial Interventions (PSI), and Schema Focussed Therapy (SFT) and CBT-based therapies.
I am a highly qualified and experienced consultant psychotherapist and supervisor with 20 years experience and recognised clinical expertise in the treatment and assessment of a wide range of mental health problems (including: depression, anxiety, personality disorders and psychosis), problematic behaviours and addictions. My guiding aim is to help each client to the point where they no longer require therapy or medication, and can cope skilfully and independently with life’s challenges, and understand how the past can impede our ability to cope with the present.
I am highly adept in the application of: Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT), Integrative Psychotherapy, Psychosocial Interventions (PSI), and Schema Focussed Therapy (SFT) and CBT-based therapies.
I am a highly qualified and experienced consultant psychotherapist and supervisor with 20 years experience and recognised clinical expertise in the treatment and assessment of a wide range of mental health problems (including: depression, anxiety, personality disorders and psychosis), problematic behaviours and addictions. My guiding aim is to help each client to the point where they no longer require therapy or medication, and can cope skilfully and independently with life’s challenges, and understand how the past can impede our ability to cope with the present.
01282 526728 View 01282 526728
Photo of Kate Chartres Therapy and Consultation in Hull, England
Kate Chartres Therapy and Consultation
MA
Verified Verified
Whitley Bay NE26
I am a Consultant Nurse currently on a career break, an accredited EMDR consultant and clinical supervisor. I specialise in working with co-morbid physical and mental health problems, although I work with people with everything from mild anxiety to complex trauma. I also have training in DBT, NLP, Hypnosis and am an accredited EFT practitioner. I believe that the mind and body are closely connected and one has to heal using the body and the mind to get the best benefit.
I am a Consultant Nurse currently on a career break, an accredited EMDR consultant and clinical supervisor. I specialise in working with co-morbid physical and mental health problems, although I work with people with everything from mild anxiety to complex trauma. I also have training in DBT, NLP, Hypnosis and am an accredited EFT practitioner. I believe that the mind and body are closely connected and one has to heal using the body and the mind to get the best benefit.
0191 743 9301 View 0191 743 9301
Photo of Sarah Tomlinson, Psychologist in Hull, England
Sarah Tomlinson
Psychologist, PsychD, HCPC - Clin. Psych.
Verified Verified
Manchester M21
I am an experienced senior clinical psychologist who specialises in autism (diagnosis and post-diagnostic support), learning disabilities and trauma. I have 16 years post-doctoral experience and have worked for the NHS for this period. I am HCPC registered, and am accredited by the National Autistic Society. My therapeutic models include EMDR, DBT and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. I work privately on Mondays.
I am an experienced senior clinical psychologist who specialises in autism (diagnosis and post-diagnostic support), learning disabilities and trauma. I have 16 years post-doctoral experience and have worked for the NHS for this period. I am HCPC registered, and am accredited by the National Autistic Society. My therapeutic models include EMDR, DBT and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy. I work privately on Mondays.
0161 524 0238 View 0161 524 0238
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Northern Lighthouse Psychology Ltd
Psychologist, PhD, HCPC - Forensic Psych.
Verified Verified
Wakefield WF3
Waitlist for new clients
Hi, I’m Charlotte. I am a Registered Psychologist and Accredited EMDR therapist. I have 20 years of experience working with people suffering with mental health difficulties. I am passionate about helping people struggling with distressing emotions which may lead to suicidal & self-injurious thinking and behaviour. I also have significant experience working with people who have experienced trauma (and may have a PTSD diagnosis) and may have been given a personality disorder diagnosis. In addition to using EMDR I am also trained in DBT and schema therapy so tend to use a combined approach tailored to the needs of the individual.
Hi, I’m Charlotte. I am a Registered Psychologist and Accredited EMDR therapist. I have 20 years of experience working with people suffering with mental health difficulties. I am passionate about helping people struggling with distressing emotions which may lead to suicidal & self-injurious thinking and behaviour. I also have significant experience working with people who have experienced trauma (and may have a PTSD diagnosis) and may have been given a personality disorder diagnosis. In addition to using EMDR I am also trained in DBT and schema therapy so tend to use a combined approach tailored to the needs of the individual.
01924 938670 View 01924 938670

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Who is DBT for?

Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT) is designed for people who experience extreme emotional suffering because they lack the skills of emotion regulation and distress tolerance. The basic affliction can underlie a wide range of conditions, from borderline and other personality disorders to PTSD and treatment-resistant anxiety and depression. The therapy is helpful to those whose emotional reactivity is so intense it is disruptive to everyday functioning and leads to frequent crises.

Why do people need DBT?

The ability to regulate emotions is a core psychological skill that enables people to function in life and pay attention to the world outside themselves; it is consistently associated with well-being. DBT is designed to help people learn how to manage and regulate their emotions. Originally developed to treat people with borderline personality disorder whose extreme emotional suffering led to self-harming behaviour and suicide attempts, the therapy is now applied to other conditions involving emotion dysregulation, particularly when other treatments have failed.

What happens in DBT?

Individuals meet weekly with their therapist to discuss their experiences relating to moods, behaviour, and skills. Using checklists they maintain, they review emotional experiences and positive practices they engage in. The diaries help individuals discern what led up to a specific problem encountered, this is followed by discussion of the consequences of their actions. In addition, individuals may meet in class-like small groups to learn skills such as mindfulness, emotion regulation and distress tolerance.

How long does DBT last?

Because it is intended to establish long-lasting behavioural change among those with persistent problems, DBT is designed to last six months to a year. DBT includes both weekly sessions of individual therapy and weekly skills-training sessions conducted in small groups. Studies of DBT have documented improvement within a year of treatment, particularly in controlling self-harmful behaviour; nevertheless, individuals may require therapy for several years.