Therapists in North Bay, ON

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Christine Dodds
Registered Psychotherapist, MA, RP
Verified Verified
2 Endorsed
North Bay, ON P1B  (Online Only)
I can help you overcome challenges associated with anxiety, depression, self-esteem, personal relationship issues, family related stress, separation, life transitions, and women’s issues.
I am a Registered Psychotherapist with the College of Registered Psychotherapists of Ontario with over 10 years experience. I have a Master of Arts degree in Counselling Psychology, Bachelor of Arts degree in Psychology, and a Mental Health and Addiction Worker diploma. I have been trained in a variety of therapeutic interventions, including Cognitive-Behavioural Therapy, Emotionally Focused Therapy, Strength-Based/Client-Centered Therapy, and Solution Focused Therapy. My approach is to work from a non-oppressive/non-judgmental perspective, while encouraging clients to make their own life decisions.
I can help you overcome challenges associated with anxiety, depression, self-esteem, personal relationship issues, family related stress, separation, life transitions, and women’s issues.
I am a Registered Psychotherapist with the College of Registered Psychotherapists of Ontario with over 10 years experience. I have a Master of Arts degree in Counselling Psychology, Bachelor of Arts degree in Psychology, and a Mental Health and Addiction Worker diploma. I have been trained in a variety of therapeutic interventions, including Cognitive-Behavioural Therapy, Emotionally Focused Therapy, Strength-Based/Client-Centered Therapy, and Solution Focused Therapy. My approach is to work from a non-oppressive/non-judgmental perspective, while encouraging clients to make their own life decisions.
(249) 209-5086 View (249) 209-5086
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Jessica Card
Counsellor, MC, RCC
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1B  (Online Only)
I presently exclusively offer online sessions while working closely with a dedicated team at Strength Counselling Services. I'm dedicated to championing transformative change for those seeking a richer quality of life. Navigating life's challenges, be it with youth or adults, CNM relationships, family dynamics, or facing grief, trauma, anxiety, or depression, demands expertise. If you're feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or grappling with personal or relational difficulties, know that you're not alone. I bring empathy, understanding every journey's uniqueness. My approach is rooted in nonjudgmental, social justice, and equity principles.
I presently exclusively offer online sessions while working closely with a dedicated team at Strength Counselling Services. I'm dedicated to championing transformative change for those seeking a richer quality of life. Navigating life's challenges, be it with youth or adults, CNM relationships, family dynamics, or facing grief, trauma, anxiety, or depression, demands expertise. If you're feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or grappling with personal or relational difficulties, know that you're not alone. I bring empathy, understanding every journey's uniqueness. My approach is rooted in nonjudgmental, social justice, and equity principles.
(343) 305-5720 View (343) 305-5720
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Dr. Jenna Albiani
Psychologist, PhD, CPsych
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1A
I am a Clinical Psychologist registered with the College of Psychologists of Ontario (CPO). I provide clinical assessment and evidence-based therapy for a range of emotional and adjustment related difficulties, with a primary focus on the treatment of addiction, trauma-related disorders (i.e., PTSD), depression and anxiety disorders. I also have a special interest in working with postpartum mood and anxiety disorders.
I am a Clinical Psychologist registered with the College of Psychologists of Ontario (CPO). I provide clinical assessment and evidence-based therapy for a range of emotional and adjustment related difficulties, with a primary focus on the treatment of addiction, trauma-related disorders (i.e., PTSD), depression and anxiety disorders. I also have a special interest in working with postpartum mood and anxiety disorders.
(705) 698-6326 View (705) 698-6326
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Blue Sky Psychotherapy and Counselling
Registered Psychotherapist, PhD, MPs, BEd, RP, CCC
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1A
I focus on a wide range of challenges such as depression, anxiety, panic, obsessive-compulsive disorder, parenting, and problems associated with major life changes.
I am a compassionate and dedicated Registered Psychotherapist and Canadian Certified Counsellor. I view therapy as a process of guided self-exploration, which is best accomplished in a supportive and non-judgmental context. My role is to help you unravel the factors that contribute to your distress, identify barriers to change, and develop new ways of coping with your situation. I believe in empowering my clients to manage their difficulties by helping them build on their personal strengths and learn tools designed to meet their unique needs.
I focus on a wide range of challenges such as depression, anxiety, panic, obsessive-compulsive disorder, parenting, and problems associated with major life changes.
I am a compassionate and dedicated Registered Psychotherapist and Canadian Certified Counsellor. I view therapy as a process of guided self-exploration, which is best accomplished in a supportive and non-judgmental context. My role is to help you unravel the factors that contribute to your distress, identify barriers to change, and develop new ways of coping with your situation. I believe in empowering my clients to manage their difficulties by helping them build on their personal strengths and learn tools designed to meet their unique needs.
(705) 710-4402 View (705) 710-4402
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Water & Stone Psychotherapy
Registered Psychotherapist, BA, MA, RP
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1B
Hello! My name is Jessica Savage and I am Registered Psychotherapist with the College of Registered Psychotherapists of Ontario. I graduated with an Honours Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from Laurentian University, as well as a Postgraduate Certificate in Addictions & Mental Health from Ryerson University and a Master of Arts in Counselling Psychology from Yorkville University. I have had the pleasure of providing counselling and psychotherapy services for the past 8-years and have experience working with individuals struggling with a variety of concerns including anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress and grief.
Hello! My name is Jessica Savage and I am Registered Psychotherapist with the College of Registered Psychotherapists of Ontario. I graduated with an Honours Bachelor of Arts in Psychology from Laurentian University, as well as a Postgraduate Certificate in Addictions & Mental Health from Ryerson University and a Master of Arts in Counselling Psychology from Yorkville University. I have had the pleasure of providing counselling and psychotherapy services for the past 8-years and have experience working with individuals struggling with a variety of concerns including anxiety, depression, post-traumatic stress and grief.
(249) 449-1281 View (249) 449-1281
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Alec Toller
Pre-Licensed Professional, MPsy
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1A  (Online Only)
I also work with many other difficulties like depression or insomnia, so we can adapt to whatever you're struggling with.
My career as a therapist started as a career in theatre and film due to my love of narrative and storytelling. Over time, I became more interested in how the stories we believe about ourselves shape how we live our lives. I use scientifically supported treatments like CBT to explore these stories and see how helpful or not they are. Of course, we often already know that something isn't working, but it can be hard to believe anything different. To that end, our sessions usually include seeking out new experiences to develop new perspectives. My clients tell me they're surprised by how much more they can do than they first thought.
I also work with many other difficulties like depression or insomnia, so we can adapt to whatever you're struggling with.
My career as a therapist started as a career in theatre and film due to my love of narrative and storytelling. Over time, I became more interested in how the stories we believe about ourselves shape how we live our lives. I use scientifically supported treatments like CBT to explore these stories and see how helpful or not they are. Of course, we often already know that something isn't working, but it can be hard to believe anything different. To that end, our sessions usually include seeking out new experiences to develop new perspectives. My clients tell me they're surprised by how much more they can do than they first thought.
(437) 500-6649 View (437) 500-6649
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Stephanie Louis Jean Esprival
Registered Social Worker, MA
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1B  (Online Only)
We often tend to imagine a life without obstacles. What happens when we think this way and then suddenly problems arise? We may experience stress, anxiety and sometimes even depression. The reality is that we can't avoid the turmoil of life throughout our lives. We must therefore arm ourselves with courage and tools to overcome and accept them without destroying our fragile balance.
We often tend to imagine a life without obstacles. What happens when we think this way and then suddenly problems arise? We may experience stress, anxiety and sometimes even depression. The reality is that we can't avoid the turmoil of life throughout our lives. We must therefore arm ourselves with courage and tools to overcome and accept them without destroying our fragile balance.
(249) 488-1717 View (249) 488-1717
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Christine Contant
Registered Psychotherapist, MA, RP, CTIC
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
North Bay, ON P1A  (Online Only)
I have training to help in addressing trauma, anxiety, depression, grief, emotional fluctuations, and stress management.
Are you a helper, healer, or caregiver? Feeling you have lost yourself while you have been busy helping others? Feeling irritable, exhausted, and burnt out? If you are feeling overwhelmed and unsure of where to start in finding yourself again I offer compassionate and collaborative care in helping you to attend to your needs. Reach out today to find out how I can help YOU!
I have training to help in addressing trauma, anxiety, depression, grief, emotional fluctuations, and stress management.
Are you a helper, healer, or caregiver? Feeling you have lost yourself while you have been busy helping others? Feeling irritable, exhausted, and burnt out? If you are feeling overwhelmed and unsure of where to start in finding yourself again I offer compassionate and collaborative care in helping you to attend to your needs. Reach out today to find out how I can help YOU!
(249) 201-7243 View (249) 201-7243
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Pauline Cardinal Social Work
Registered Social Worker, BSW, MSW, RSW
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1A
I am a Registered Social Worker (RSW) with the Ontario College of Social Workers and Social Service Workers (OCSWSSW). I am currently accepting new clients in Ontario - offering virtual services - to individuals ages 16 and up. I have been providing counselling services for over 12 years, within the mental health and addictions field. I work with clients of all ages. I have experience working with individuals struggling with a variety of challenges, including anxiety, depression, relationship difficulties, body-image concerns, and life stressors.
I am a Registered Social Worker (RSW) with the Ontario College of Social Workers and Social Service Workers (OCSWSSW). I am currently accepting new clients in Ontario - offering virtual services - to individuals ages 16 and up. I have been providing counselling services for over 12 years, within the mental health and addictions field. I work with clients of all ages. I have experience working with individuals struggling with a variety of challenges, including anxiety, depression, relationship difficulties, body-image concerns, and life stressors.
(249) 702-4919 View (249) 702-4919
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DBS Professional Services
Registered Psychotherapist, LLB, BAPsy, MACP, RP, RSW
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1A  (Online Only)
She is experienced with multiple mental health conditions, such as depression, anxiety, stress, relationship, separation/divorce, parenting, bipolar disorder, ADD/ADHD, anger, life transitions, intimacy, as well as adapting and coping.
Danielle successfully completed a Bachelor's Degree in Law & Justice, LLB, and Psychology in 2011, a Master's Degree in Counselling Psychology in 2014, and defending for the Doctor of Counselling and Psychotherapy in 2025. She strongly supports personal and professional development, higher learning, professional skills building, and maintaining professional competency. Danielle offers quality counselling & psychotherapy services in private practice with a compassionate, attentive, professional and person-centred approach. She practices cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT).
She is experienced with multiple mental health conditions, such as depression, anxiety, stress, relationship, separation/divorce, parenting, bipolar disorder, ADD/ADHD, anger, life transitions, intimacy, as well as adapting and coping.
Danielle successfully completed a Bachelor's Degree in Law & Justice, LLB, and Psychology in 2011, a Master's Degree in Counselling Psychology in 2014, and defending for the Doctor of Counselling and Psychotherapy in 2025. She strongly supports personal and professional development, higher learning, professional skills building, and maintaining professional competency. Danielle offers quality counselling & psychotherapy services in private practice with a compassionate, attentive, professional and person-centred approach. She practices cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT).
(249) 490-4407 View (249) 490-4407
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Key Resources Unlimited - Barbara Allen
Registered Psychotherapist (Qualifying), BA, MSc, MACP, OCT
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
North Bay, ON P1C
I help people with anxiety, stress, relationship trauma, and depression by providing a non-judgemental space to unwind and share complicated thoughts and feelings in a safe and supportive environment.
Life is full of painful and confusing experiences. These situations can make a person question themselves, their choices, and be frightening. At times every one of us questions our thoughts and causes us to wonder if they are “normal”. There are good and ugly aspects of being human. We all like to present our best version of ourselves to the world, but stress and anxiety happens when there are thoughts and feelings inside that don’t match the person we show on the outside. Accepting new clients! Flexible hours including evening and weekend availability.
I help people with anxiety, stress, relationship trauma, and depression by providing a non-judgemental space to unwind and share complicated thoughts and feelings in a safe and supportive environment.
Life is full of painful and confusing experiences. These situations can make a person question themselves, their choices, and be frightening. At times every one of us questions our thoughts and causes us to wonder if they are “normal”. There are good and ugly aspects of being human. We all like to present our best version of ourselves to the world, but stress and anxiety happens when there are thoughts and feelings inside that don’t match the person we show on the outside. Accepting new clients! Flexible hours including evening and weekend availability.
(289) 212-6761 View (289) 212-6761
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Sarah Bethune
Registered Psychotherapist, MA(Ed)
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1A  (Online Only)
I work with adults experiencing a range of concerns such as, anxiety, ADHD, depression, stress, relationship issues, life transitions, work-life balance, family dynamics, self-esteem and trauma.
I believe that change happens when we feel safe and supported. It is important to me to create a therapeutic environment that is down to earth, compassionate and free of judgment. Each person is different and has a unique set of experiences. I tailor my approach to your needs and work collaboratively with you to help you achieve your goals and support your journey towards growth.
I work with adults experiencing a range of concerns such as, anxiety, ADHD, depression, stress, relationship issues, life transitions, work-life balance, family dynamics, self-esteem and trauma.
I believe that change happens when we feel safe and supported. It is important to me to create a therapeutic environment that is down to earth, compassionate and free of judgment. Each person is different and has a unique set of experiences. I tailor my approach to your needs and work collaboratively with you to help you achieve your goals and support your journey towards growth.
(249) 492-9648 View (249) 492-9648
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JC Virtual Counselling Services
Registered Psychotherapist (Qualifying), MACP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
North Bay, ON P1A  (Online Only)
Have you experienced loss in your life? Do you struggle with feelings of emptiness, burnout, inadequacies, or an overall dissatisfaction with your life circumstances? Maybe you have experienced traumatic events in your life. If you can answer yes to any of these life challenges, I can help. If you are willing to put forth the effort to make changes to your life, I can walk alongside you on this journey. You are not alone.
Have you experienced loss in your life? Do you struggle with feelings of emptiness, burnout, inadequacies, or an overall dissatisfaction with your life circumstances? Maybe you have experienced traumatic events in your life. If you can answer yes to any of these life challenges, I can help. If you are willing to put forth the effort to make changes to your life, I can walk alongside you on this journey. You are not alone.
(249) 202-2040 View (249) 202-2040
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Mandy Marsden Offering Psychotherapy Or Supervision
Registered Psychotherapist, MA, BA, RP, Emdria, CT
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1B
“Whenever You Find Yourself Doubting How Far You Can Go, Just Remember How Far You Have Come. Remember Everything You Have Faced, All The Battles You Have Won, And All The Fears You Have Overcome.”
“Whenever You Find Yourself Doubting How Far You Can Go, Just Remember How Far You Have Come. Remember Everything You Have Faced, All The Battles You Have Won, And All The Fears You Have Overcome.”
(249) 449-4194 View (249) 449-4194
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Ashley Elliott Sunstrum
Registered Psychotherapist (Qualifying), BA, MA, RP-Q
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1B  (Online Only)
Ashley’s practice will focus on providing counselling with individuals who have experienced loss, suffered grief, trauma, anxiety, PTSD, and who continue to struggle with managing the challenges that day-to-day life presents. Ashley has training in evidence-based therapeutic approaches, however firmly believes that change is a personal experience and therefore, it is important that therapy be a collaborative experience.
Ashley’s practice will focus on providing counselling with individuals who have experienced loss, suffered grief, trauma, anxiety, PTSD, and who continue to struggle with managing the challenges that day-to-day life presents. Ashley has training in evidence-based therapeutic approaches, however firmly believes that change is a personal experience and therefore, it is important that therapy be a collaborative experience.
(249) 505-0468 View (249) 505-0468
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Barbara F Waterfall
Registered Social Worker, MSW, RSW, PhD
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
North Bay, ON P1A
Perhaps you have reached out because you have fears about what is happening in the world. Maybe you are struggling with some type of substance abuse, an eating disorder, or an addiction. Possibly you are in an abusive, or a dissatisfying relationship. Perhaps you are dealing with grief and loss. Or, you may be dissatisfied with your job/career, and you would like to make a change. Maybe you have questions about whether there is something more to life than the circumstances that you are now living in. Perhaps you have been on a human development path, and feel like you want to take your work to the next level.
Perhaps you have reached out because you have fears about what is happening in the world. Maybe you are struggling with some type of substance abuse, an eating disorder, or an addiction. Possibly you are in an abusive, or a dissatisfying relationship. Perhaps you are dealing with grief and loss. Or, you may be dissatisfied with your job/career, and you would like to make a change. Maybe you have questions about whether there is something more to life than the circumstances that you are now living in. Perhaps you have been on a human development path, and feel like you want to take your work to the next level.
(249) 500-2473 View (249) 500-2473
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Bright Raven Psychotherapy and Consulting
Registered Psychotherapist, MA, RP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
North Bay, ON P1A
Accepting new clients! Bright Raven is a group practice located in North Bay ON. The seasons of our lives can be peaceful or challenging; therapy may be beneficial at any point during your journey. There may be moments when we are met with life’s challenges and losses, where we question our decisions, worthiness and where we fit in relationships. Do you feel like you are unraveling, raw with your emotions, and uncertain about the future? Whatever brings you to therapy, know that your courage to seek help is the first step in getting better. We look forward to working with you as you explore yourself and reach your wellness goals.
Accepting new clients! Bright Raven is a group practice located in North Bay ON. The seasons of our lives can be peaceful or challenging; therapy may be beneficial at any point during your journey. There may be moments when we are met with life’s challenges and losses, where we question our decisions, worthiness and where we fit in relationships. Do you feel like you are unraveling, raw with your emotions, and uncertain about the future? Whatever brings you to therapy, know that your courage to seek help is the first step in getting better. We look forward to working with you as you explore yourself and reach your wellness goals.
(249) 501-9252 View (249) 501-9252
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Wellness Perspective Bien-Être
Registered Psychotherapist, RP
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1B
As a clinician, I believe that the only limits are the ones we impose on ourselves. I believe that being accountable for our current reality, the good, the bad and the ugly, is paramount if we are to remain in the driver’s seat of our own life. I believe that insight is the key to unlocking unconscious patterns of thinking and being that keep us stuck. Finally, I believe that thinking and wishing won’t make change happen but taking action will. Let’s get started on shifting your perspective and get you going on the path to wellness. I want to help you transform what IS into what you WANT it to be.
As a clinician, I believe that the only limits are the ones we impose on ourselves. I believe that being accountable for our current reality, the good, the bad and the ugly, is paramount if we are to remain in the driver’s seat of our own life. I believe that insight is the key to unlocking unconscious patterns of thinking and being that keep us stuck. Finally, I believe that thinking and wishing won’t make change happen but taking action will. Let’s get started on shifting your perspective and get you going on the path to wellness. I want to help you transform what IS into what you WANT it to be.
(249) 487-0478 View (249) 487-0478
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Jessy Taylor Boudreau
Registered Psychotherapist, MACP, RP
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
North Bay, ON P1B  (Online Only)
I love working with individuals to help them cultivate better relationships with themselves so they can have more fulfilling relationships with others. I help clients build a more secure attachment with themselves so that they can navigate life's challenges with more self-trust and self-compassion. Learning to love yourself is the greatest gift you can give yourself and those around you.
I love working with individuals to help them cultivate better relationships with themselves so they can have more fulfilling relationships with others. I help clients build a more secure attachment with themselves so that they can navigate life's challenges with more self-trust and self-compassion. Learning to love yourself is the greatest gift you can give yourself and those around you.
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Brigitte Lebel
Registered Psychotherapist, BA, RP
Verified Verified
North Bay, ON P1B
Welcome and thank you for your interest in my professional services! My areas of expertise include grief and loss, gender, sex, and sexuality, parenting, pregnancy, and gender-based violence. ​
Welcome and thank you for your interest in my professional services! My areas of expertise include grief and loss, gender, sex, and sexuality, parenting, pregnancy, and gender-based violence. ​
(705) 475-6281 View (705) 475-6281

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Depression Counsellors

What is the goal of therapy for depression?

Therapy for depression has several major goals. One is to relieve the mental pain of depression, which distorts feeling and thinking so that sufferers cannot see beyond their current state of mind or envision feeling better. Another is to give people the mental tools to recognise and correct the kinds of distorted thinking that turn a problem into a catastrophe and lead to despair. Therapy also teaches people how to process negative emotions in constructive ways, so they have more control over their own emotional reactivity. And it helps people regain the ability to see themselves positively, the motivation to do things, and the capacity for pleasure.

What happens in therapy for depression?

Perhaps most important, no matter the type of therapy, patients form an alliance with the therapist; that connection is therapeutic in itself, plus it becomes an instrument of change. Patients learn to identify and to challenge their own erroneous beliefs and thoughts that amplify the effects of negative experiences. They learn to identify situations in which they are especially vulnerable. And they learn new patterns of thinking and behaving. They may be given “homework” assignments in which they practice their developing skills. In addition, good therapists regularly monitor patients to assess whether and how much the condition is improving.

What therapy types help with depression?

Several types of short-term therapy have been found effective, each targeting one or more areas of dysfunction. Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) helps clients challenge their negative thoughts and beliefs, learn new behavioral strategies, and curb reactivity to distressing situations. Behavioural activation (BA) is a form of therapy often used in conjunction with CBT; it focuses on engagement in rewarding activity as a pathway to changing negative feelings and disturbed mood. Another widely used approach is interpersonal therapy (IPT), which targets the social difficulties that both give rise to and get exacerbated by depression. Therapists may combine approaches as needed.

Can therapy for depression be done online?

Studies have found that online therapy can be highly effective for treating depression, although it may be more challenging to build a good therapist-patient alliance on screen than in person—at least at first. However, online therapy can offer considerable advantages. Accessibility and convenience are tops among them. Some people actually find it easier to talk about problems online than in person. While online therapy typically limits visibility of facial expression and body gestures that give important nonverbal cues to a patient’s state of mind, it can give therapists a glimpse into a patient’s world and life, providing information that can be highly useful in guiding therapy.

How effective is therapy for depression?

Many studies show that therapy is highly effective provided that patients complete the prescribed course of therapy, commonly 16 to 20 sessions. Over the long term, it is more effective than medication and the effects are more enduring. As a result, psychotherapy has the power not just to relieve current suffering but to prevent future episodes of the disorder. Therapy reverses the dysfunction in neural circuitry that disposes individuals to a negative view of themselves, the world, and their future and they acquire coping techniques, problem-solving skills, and understanding of their own vulnerabilities that are useful over the course of a lifetime.