Daniel Estulin - Photo by Olga Sutova

Around the world, more and more people are learning about transhumanism, an international movement that aims to use science and technology to radically improve the human being. The popularizing of transhumanism into the mainstream is not only coming from its advocates, but also from those who view transhumanism with a certain amount of caution.

I recently had the opportunity to interview Lithuanian-born Daniel Estulin, an award winning investigative journalist and author of international bestseller The True Story of the Bilderberg Group, which has sold over seven million copies worldwide and has been translated into 42 languages. Daniel has also recently written TransEvolution – The Coming Age of Human Deconstruction, which, among other things, explores how the elite of the world plan to use transhumanism to maintain their power and status. TransEvolution is well-written and well-researched, and an intriguing perspective of the future. I recommend it. While I don't agree with some of the ideas in the book, I was glad to read it and explore the perspectives presented by Mr. Estulin, who ultimately is a man full of challenging and bold ideas. 


Q. Daniel, thank you for doing this interview. Let's begin with this question: Why did you write TransEvolution?

A. Back in 2005, I came across a very important draft which was discussed at the Bilderberg conference in Rottach-Egern, Germany. It is called Strategic Trends Report 2007-2036, a secret source document on the future of humanity. This 91-page report is a blueprint for the United Kingdom´s future strategic national requirements through the analysis of key risks and future shocks to the world’s financial, economic, political, demographic, and technological areas and markets. Once I read what my Bilderberg sources gave me, I realized that I was looking at the elite’s plans for the future of humanity. 

Q. Your famous book on the Bilderberg Group portrays the elite as intentionally attempting to dictate policy and the future of the world. Do you think the elite are planning on using transhumanist technology to do so?

A. We are living at the cusp of the greatest evolutionary change in the history of mankind. The generation of our children, many who are teenagers today, is the last, truly human generation of human beings on planet Earth. Our grandchildren will be transhuman children, post-human children, man-machines, cyborgs—beings who are not totally human as a result of synthetic biology.

With Bilderberg it was easy. You knew that someone faceless was doing something in the financial markets, coup d'etat, etc, so once I exposed these people, we suddenly knew their names and their deeds. But, with this, all is different. The elite forever controlled knowledge, but with the information revolution today, an Indian sitting in a tree in the middle of a rainforest in Bolivia with a laptop, an internet connection, and Google, has access to everything the secret societies had hidden from us since the beginning of time. 

So, the elite have figured out that the best way to break this divide between them and us is through technology. On the one hand, they are destroying the world’s economy on purpose, sending us all to Hell in a hand basket. Why? Because progress and development is directly proportional to population density. So, if there is technological progress for all of us, there are going to be more people on Earth. More people means less resources, which means for the elite to survive, we have to die. This is what’s behind deindustrialization, zero growth, and demand destruction mentality. Look at Detroit. This is an example of what is being done on purpose. Except the elite want Detroit to be the poster child for the world’s deindustrialization.

On the other hand, they are using trillions of their dollars to develop far reaching advanced technology that literally will control the world.



Is there a way to make technology of the future accessible to all people, regardless of wealth or status?

A. Obviously. We can’t survive without technology and technological innovation in the age of greater and greater population density around the world. However, technology is a double edged sword. For example, thanks to modern technology, you can have a world famous brain surgeon in Philadelphia operating on a little girl with brain cancer in Indonesia without leaving his office. And on the other hand, you can have a four-star US general at the Pentagon operating a drone that will kill someone or many someones half way around the world, also without leaving his office.

Let me give you another example. Space exploration. The Moon harbors enormous resources that we can use on Earth, including titanium, aluminum, and iron. Water from asteroids can fuel an in-space economy. The Moon has a decisive advantage relative to the Earth, in the purification of those metals, which are always found in raw minerals that contain a lot of oxygen. On Earth, the molten metal must be placed in a vacuum to achieve oxygen extraction, thereby obtaining the best mechanical and anti-corrosive qualities possible. But to create that vacuum is very costly. 

Because the Moon has no atmosphere, the vacuum is free, and of a much better quality than anything we have been able to create on Earth. With a perfectly purified lunar titanium, we could build bridges on Earth that would last forever. All this is possible only if the metal purification is achieved on the Moon. 

Furthermore, the Moon harbors important reserves of Helium-3, very rare on Earth, which is the ideal element to realize nuclear fusion ... The very same source of energy which is abundant in much of our Solar System and on the Moon. In fact, there is enough fuel on the Moon to meet the present energy needs of the entire Earth for close to 2,000 years. Helium-3 is a natural decay product of radioactive tritium and is the most effective, most efficient thing for the production of thermonuclear weapons. 

So, we can use the abundance of Helium to provide energy to the entire planet or use the resources on the Moon to kill us all.

Q. What is the worst case scenario with technology in the future? Could we lose our humanity? Does this bother you?

A. The rise of the machines is here. We are facing the time when an unconscious evolution period is almost finished. And we come to the new period when a controlled human evolution can and will happen. Technological progress will be concentrated on making a new body for the human being. The plan is to incrementally move the human mind into more disembodied and futuristic vehicles: first a humanoid robot controlled entirely by a human brain via brain-machine interface, then a conscious human brain transplanted into a humanoid robot, then consciousness uploaded to a computer, and finally a hologram that contains a full conscious human mind.

We are witnessing an unparalleled explosion in scientific knowledge. Because of the synergy, the interplay of three great revolutions: quantum, computer, and biotech revolution, we have learned more in the past 50 years than in all of human history. We have many marvels of science, like the Internet, telecommunication satellites, laser beams, radio, television, microwaves, biotechnologyeven a structure of a DNA molecule. All of it, ultimately, comes from quantum theory. 

We have the means through genetics, robotics, information technology, and nano technology to control matter, energy, and life itself. We have never seen anything like this before, and it is raising profound questions about what it means to be human. The intense cross pollination between the computer, biotech, and quantum revolutions will give us unprecedented power in the 21st Century.


Q. What are working on now? What can we expect in the future from Daniel Estulin?

A. Because of the large success of TransEvolution – The Coming Age of Human Deconstruction, I will start working on the follow up that will take the reader beyond the 2045 period into the second half of the 21st Century. All of it will be based on hard evidence and private documents that I got my hands on from government sources.


Zoltan Istvan is a futurist, philosopher, journalist, and leading transhumanist. You can find him on TwitterGoogle+Facebook, and LinkedIn. Zoltan is also the author of the award-winning, #1 Philosophical bestseller novel The Transhumanist Wager. Available in ebook or paperback, the controversial novel is a revolutionary reading experience. You can check it out here.

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