Counselling in East Geelong, VIC

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McMillan Psychotherapy & Counselling
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, AASW
Verified
East Geelong, VIC 3219
Appointments available now. Feeling angry, depressed, workplace issues, relationship issues, just struggling day to day? No matter what age you are, if you are struggling with something in your life, you might benefit from psychotherapeutic help. Psychotherapy can offer people space to think, to clarify their difficulties and what contributes to them, and to participate in individually tailored psychological therapies that have been shown to help, and that enrich lives. With face to face and online session available we can work together to resolve the issues you bring to therapy. Don't put off today what can't wait until tomorrow.
Appointments available now. Feeling angry, depressed, workplace issues, relationship issues, just struggling day to day? No matter what age you are, if you are struggling with something in your life, you might benefit from psychotherapeutic help. Psychotherapy can offer people space to think, to clarify their difficulties and what contributes to them, and to participate in individually tailored psychological therapies that have been shown to help, and that enrich lives. With face to face and online session available we can work together to resolve the issues you bring to therapy. Don't put off today what can't wait until tomorrow.
(03) 4231 7114 View (03) 4231 7114
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Justine Devonport
Counsellor, ACA-L1
Verified
1 Endorsed
East Geelong, VIC 3219
We all struggle at certain times, looking after ourselves can mean reaching out for support. As a counsellor, I help people feel better within themselves and improve their mental health and well being. Do you feel overwhelmed, anxious, like you are no longer yourself? Life's challenges often feel like a lot to deal with, leaving you exhausted, burnt out and low in self esteem. Imagine if there was a way through these challenges, a way to manage your anxiety, deal with overwhelm and work towards your ideal way of feeling. I would love to chat with you about what is going on and how we can start a shift.
We all struggle at certain times, looking after ourselves can mean reaching out for support. As a counsellor, I help people feel better within themselves and improve their mental health and well being. Do you feel overwhelmed, anxious, like you are no longer yourself? Life's challenges often feel like a lot to deal with, leaving you exhausted, burnt out and low in self esteem. Imagine if there was a way through these challenges, a way to manage your anxiety, deal with overwhelm and work towards your ideal way of feeling. I would love to chat with you about what is going on and how we can start a shift.
(03) 8771 4973 View (03) 8771 4973
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Dylan Arnot
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA General
Verified
East Geelong, VIC 3219
I work with a diverse array of adult and adolescent clients, including high performers in the creative industries, sports and workplace leadership, as well as those experiencing challenges such as burnout, life transitions, anxiety, panic attacks, and ASD.
I work with a diverse array of adult and adolescent clients, including high performers in the creative industries, sports and workplace leadership, as well as those experiencing challenges such as burnout, life transitions, anxiety, panic attacks, and ASD.
(03) 4240 6500 View (03) 4240 6500
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Kim Young
Counsellor, ACA-L1
Verified
1 Endorsed
East Geelong, VIC 3219
Sometimes in our lives we need a reset or pivot, and space to pause and reflect on the next way forward.
Sometimes in our lives we need a reset or pivot, and space to pause and reflect on the next way forward.
(03) 4240 3759 View (03) 4240 3759
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Natalie Butyn
Psychologist, PsyBA - Couns. Psych.
Verified
East Geelong, VIC 3219
BA(Psych) PGDip (Psych) MPsych (Counselling), MAPS Natalie is a fully registered psychologist with the Australian Health Practitioner Agency. She enjoys working adult clients (18+) in Geelong. Natalie provides a collaborative therapeutic relationship for her clients using her engaging and down to earth interpersonal style. She aims to reduce emotional distress and strengthen client resilience to support clients to achieve their counselling goals.
BA(Psych) PGDip (Psych) MPsych (Counselling), MAPS Natalie is a fully registered psychologist with the Australian Health Practitioner Agency. She enjoys working adult clients (18+) in Geelong. Natalie provides a collaborative therapeutic relationship for her clients using her engaging and down to earth interpersonal style. She aims to reduce emotional distress and strengthen client resilience to support clients to achieve their counselling goals.
(03) 4237 7664 View (03) 4237 7664

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Greta Ludwig Psychology
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
Hello my name is Greta, at times we all need a friendly face and someone to listen to our story.  My aim is to walk with you to provide an authentic, honest and trusting space where life's experiences can be shared without judgement.  I work from a biopsychosocial model which essentially means looking at the interconnection of our biology, our psychology and our social connections to help understand how we experience and respond to the challenges we may experience throughout our life.  Whilst we are all unique and different, I describe myself as an eclectic therapist, in that I draw from a range of therapy forms.
Hello my name is Greta, at times we all need a friendly face and someone to listen to our story.  My aim is to walk with you to provide an authentic, honest and trusting space where life's experiences can be shared without judgement.  I work from a biopsychosocial model which essentially means looking at the interconnection of our biology, our psychology and our social connections to help understand how we experience and respond to the challenges we may experience throughout our life.  Whilst we are all unique and different, I describe myself as an eclectic therapist, in that I draw from a range of therapy forms.
(03) 4236 3217 View (03) 4236 3217
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Thinking Outside The Box
Whittington, VIC 3219
The name of my business, Thinking Outside The Box (TOTB) says everything about my beliefs and my business. When we Think Outside The Box, our worlds become bigger. Mental ill health or mental distress causes us to focus inwards and our lives become smaller. We stop doing things because the work that goes into managing a distressing situation is exhausting. You are reading this right now because you know or feel that something is not quite right in your life. This may be something you have felt for as long as you can remember or a recent event. Doesn't matter, your here now so lets see how we can help.
The name of my business, Thinking Outside The Box (TOTB) says everything about my beliefs and my business. When we Think Outside The Box, our worlds become bigger. Mental ill health or mental distress causes us to focus inwards and our lives become smaller. We stop doing things because the work that goes into managing a distressing situation is exhausting. You are reading this right now because you know or feel that something is not quite right in your life. This may be something you have felt for as long as you can remember or a recent event. Doesn't matter, your here now so lets see how we can help.
(03) 9069 8786 View (03) 9069 8786
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Stacey O'Neil
Clinical Social Work/Therapist, AASW
Verified
1 Endorsed
Geelong, VIC 3220
Hi, I'm Stacey and I am passionate about supporting people to work through challenges, whether these are current or historical. If you are experiencing difficulties and want to manage these in a different way, or maybe you would like to try and understand yourself better in order to make change, then please reach out to discuss your needs. You may just want someone to see and hear you - I passionately believe in creating a safe space for people. Therapy can provide the opportunity for exploration and change.
Hi, I'm Stacey and I am passionate about supporting people to work through challenges, whether these are current or historical. If you are experiencing difficulties and want to manage these in a different way, or maybe you would like to try and understand yourself better in order to make change, then please reach out to discuss your needs. You may just want someone to see and hear you - I passionately believe in creating a safe space for people. Therapy can provide the opportunity for exploration and change.
(03) 4328 3466 View (03) 4328 3466
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Anna Maxwell
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
Anna is a registered psychologist and is passionate about helping adults and older adolescents to improve their happiness and wellbeing. Anna has experience working with parents and has facilitated early parenting and attachment-based group programs including Circle of Security and Keeping Your Child in Mind. Anna is committed to building strong, respectful, and collaborative working relationships with her clients. She believes in taking a gentle, person-centred approach so that each client feels heard and understood. Anna supports clients in developing their own insight, self-understanding, and self-compassion.
Anna is a registered psychologist and is passionate about helping adults and older adolescents to improve their happiness and wellbeing. Anna has experience working with parents and has facilitated early parenting and attachment-based group programs including Circle of Security and Keeping Your Child in Mind. Anna is committed to building strong, respectful, and collaborative working relationships with her clients. She believes in taking a gentle, person-centred approach so that each client feels heard and understood. Anna supports clients in developing their own insight, self-understanding, and self-compassion.
(03) 9000 0866 View (03) 9000 0866
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Steve Schwartz
Psychotherapist, PACFA
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
People come to therapy for all different reasons. Some may want to explore and learn a bit more about themselves in a new way, while some people may have more urgent or specific needs they are looking for support with. If life is feeling a bit overwhelming at the moment and perhaps you aren't quite sure why, it may be a good time to seek therapy.
People come to therapy for all different reasons. Some may want to explore and learn a bit more about themselves in a new way, while some people may have more urgent or specific needs they are looking for support with. If life is feeling a bit overwhelming at the moment and perhaps you aren't quite sure why, it may be a good time to seek therapy.
(03) 8338 4668 View (03) 8338 4668
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Veronica Knox
Psychologist, Australian Association of Psychologists - Member
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
Veronica Knox is a Psychologist , Resilience Coach who gets her ‘extraordinary moments’ through helping her clients so they can achieve their well-being goals. She brings ‘Purpose and Passion’ to her work. She makes the complex simple. Drawing from her knowledge and education in neuroscience, psychology and social science and her real life experiences. Her skill is in how we can be utilise our circle of influence ; build resilience; and identify our personal strengths and qualities to be our ‘best self’.
Veronica Knox is a Psychologist , Resilience Coach who gets her ‘extraordinary moments’ through helping her clients so they can achieve their well-being goals. She brings ‘Purpose and Passion’ to her work. She makes the complex simple. Drawing from her knowledge and education in neuroscience, psychology and social science and her real life experiences. Her skill is in how we can be utilise our circle of influence ; build resilience; and identify our personal strengths and qualities to be our ‘best self’.
0438 094 883 View 0438 094 883
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Lynne Redan
Psychotherapist
Geelong, VIC 3220
Do you feel anxious, angry or depressed? Is trauma holding you back in life? Do you want to change your response to difficult situations?
Do you feel anxious, angry or depressed? Is trauma holding you back in life? Do you want to change your response to difficult situations?
(02) 4058 4054 View (02) 4058 4054
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Ros de Virieux
Counsellor, AASW
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
I am a senior social worker with many years experience in private practice and working in government and non-government agencies across Australia. I have worked with men, women, children and families, including people from different backgrounds such as Military personal, veterans and their families, Indigenous language groups, migrants and humanitarian entrants, and prisoners, just to name a few. I am a confident, highly motivated professional and take pride in my ability to communicate, both orally and written, with clients, management and supporting agencies to ensure a high level and comprehensive service.
I am a senior social worker with many years experience in private practice and working in government and non-government agencies across Australia. I have worked with men, women, children and families, including people from different backgrounds such as Military personal, veterans and their families, Indigenous language groups, migrants and humanitarian entrants, and prisoners, just to name a few. I am a confident, highly motivated professional and take pride in my ability to communicate, both orally and written, with clients, management and supporting agencies to ensure a high level and comprehensive service.
(03) 6361 2689 View (03) 6361 2689
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EN Psychology
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA General
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
Ewa Nowińska is a Registered Psychologist with a Master’s Degree from University of Gdansk, Poland. She also completed one year university exchange at the University of Barcelona, which led her to move to this beautiful country. During her 6 years in Spain/Catalonia, she continued developing her skills as a psychologist by working with clients struggling with work related issues,body image or relationship issues. After moving to Australia / Sydney in 2013, she commenced working with clients on Workers Compensation. Moreover, she has been supporting clients undergoing bariatric surgery. Medicare rebates available.
Ewa Nowińska is a Registered Psychologist with a Master’s Degree from University of Gdansk, Poland. She also completed one year university exchange at the University of Barcelona, which led her to move to this beautiful country. During her 6 years in Spain/Catalonia, she continued developing her skills as a psychologist by working with clients struggling with work related issues,body image or relationship issues. After moving to Australia / Sydney in 2013, she commenced working with clients on Workers Compensation. Moreover, she has been supporting clients undergoing bariatric surgery. Medicare rebates available.
(02) 9100 0102 View (02) 9100 0102
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Dr Reza Nejad -Clinical Psychologist
Psychologist, PhD, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
I am a registered clinical psychologist with over 20 years of experience working with individuals with anxiety, depression and trauma. I hold a Doctoral Degree in Clinical Psychology at the University of Adelaide as well as Master’s and Bachelor’s degrees in psychology. I can assist you with a range of presenting issues including depression, anxiety, stress management, trauma, adjustment difficulties, anger management, bullying and harassment, self-esteem issues, self-development, eating disorder, OCD, worries, social anxiety and panics.
I am a registered clinical psychologist with over 20 years of experience working with individuals with anxiety, depression and trauma. I hold a Doctoral Degree in Clinical Psychology at the University of Adelaide as well as Master’s and Bachelor’s degrees in psychology. I can assist you with a range of presenting issues including depression, anxiety, stress management, trauma, adjustment difficulties, anger management, bullying and harassment, self-esteem issues, self-development, eating disorder, OCD, worries, social anxiety and panics.
(08) 8646 5602 View (08) 8646 5602
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Dr Shelley Viskovich
Psychologist, PhD, MAPS
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
Assessment only - therapy books are closed. Welcome and thanks for taking the time to view my profile. I am a clinical psychologist specialising in assessing complex neurodivergent clients (Autism, ADHD, PDA, BPD, CPTSD, Bipolar, OCD) particularly those who do not present in stereotypical ways or mask heavily, preventing earlier identification. Being neurodivergent myself, I have lived experience in addition to extensive clinical training to support clients. Please go to my website for costs, FAQs and appointment times.
Assessment only - therapy books are closed. Welcome and thanks for taking the time to view my profile. I am a clinical psychologist specialising in assessing complex neurodivergent clients (Autism, ADHD, PDA, BPD, CPTSD, Bipolar, OCD) particularly those who do not present in stereotypical ways or mask heavily, preventing earlier identification. Being neurodivergent myself, I have lived experience in addition to extensive clinical training to support clients. Please go to my website for costs, FAQs and appointment times.
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Touraj Afshar
Psychotherapist, MSc, ACA-L2
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
Touraj is bilingual (English & Farsi) and the founder of Yarra Holistic Healing Centre in Melbourne. For over two decades, Touraj has been providing psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, EMDR, EFT, Family and Couples and Marriage consultations at his centre. Touraj can provide the support you need to eliminate unwanted behaviour and unhealthy feelings in order to achieve your goals. He will offer a 30-minute complimentary consultation so you can decide if he is the right therapist for you. He has presented workshops on a variety of topics including ‘How to Improve Relationships' and ‘Understanding and managing psychological trauma’.
Touraj is bilingual (English & Farsi) and the founder of Yarra Holistic Healing Centre in Melbourne. For over two decades, Touraj has been providing psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, EMDR, EFT, Family and Couples and Marriage consultations at his centre. Touraj can provide the support you need to eliminate unwanted behaviour and unhealthy feelings in order to achieve your goals. He will offer a 30-minute complimentary consultation so you can decide if he is the right therapist for you. He has presented workshops on a variety of topics including ‘How to Improve Relationships' and ‘Understanding and managing psychological trauma’.
(03) 8400 0664 View (03) 8400 0664
Photo of Jessie Narula, Counsellor in East Geelong, VIC
Jessie Narula
Counsellor, MA, ACA-L3
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220  (Online Only)
Change is never easy, and neither is it easy to be stuck in the patterns that are keeping you from achieving the life you want for yourself. Whether you are struggling with a mental health condition and want to live symptom free or you are trying to achieve a life with more confidence to pursue your dreams, it starts with realising the need for a change. It requires bravery and strength to create those changes. Having a supportive, empathetic professional by your side can make the process more manageable and less isolating. It is important to find a professional who makes you feel understood and heard.
Change is never easy, and neither is it easy to be stuck in the patterns that are keeping you from achieving the life you want for yourself. Whether you are struggling with a mental health condition and want to live symptom free or you are trying to achieve a life with more confidence to pursue your dreams, it starts with realising the need for a change. It requires bravery and strength to create those changes. Having a supportive, empathetic professional by your side can make the process more manageable and less isolating. It is important to find a professional who makes you feel understood and heard.
(08) 9126 9141 View (08) 9126 9141
Photo of Shubha Gokhale, Psychotherapist in East Geelong, VIC
Shubha Gokhale
Psychotherapist, ACA-L4
Verified
Thomson, VIC 3219
Whatever you are currently finding challenging - anxiety, depression, trauma, despair and disappointments, relationship difficulties, parenting or grief, it is hard to respond creatively when you feel stuck or overwhelmed. My aim is to listen with care to what you have to say about your own particular challenges and to help you understand what is holding you back - this opens up new possibilities. I have worked as a psychotherapist for over 15 years. I work face to face with children, adolescents and adults in my practice in Geelong and offer telehealth counselling to adults via Skype and telephone.
Whatever you are currently finding challenging - anxiety, depression, trauma, despair and disappointments, relationship difficulties, parenting or grief, it is hard to respond creatively when you feel stuck or overwhelmed. My aim is to listen with care to what you have to say about your own particular challenges and to help you understand what is holding you back - this opens up new possibilities. I have worked as a psychotherapist for over 15 years. I work face to face with children, adolescents and adults in my practice in Geelong and offer telehealth counselling to adults via Skype and telephone.
(03) 4240 3332 View (03) 4240 3332
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Louise Jansz - Fourfold Therapy
Psychotherapist, PACFA
Verified
Geelong, VIC 3220
Louise is a PACFA registered psychotherapist and holistic counsellor. Using targeted interventions, including somatic experiencing and brainspotting, I guide you through life's transitions, fostering self-discovery and growth. I support both lifelong questing and short term crisis. You may be facing uncertainty, anxiety, depression, addiction or an identity crisis. We will work on strategies to manage emotions and adapt to changing circumstances. I create a safe haven to foster self-compassion, self-understanding as you learn to self-regulate, build resilience and communicate your needs as you gain momentum back in your life.
Louise is a PACFA registered psychotherapist and holistic counsellor. Using targeted interventions, including somatic experiencing and brainspotting, I guide you through life's transitions, fostering self-discovery and growth. I support both lifelong questing and short term crisis. You may be facing uncertainty, anxiety, depression, addiction or an identity crisis. We will work on strategies to manage emotions and adapt to changing circumstances. I create a safe haven to foster self-compassion, self-understanding as you learn to self-regulate, build resilience and communicate your needs as you gain momentum back in your life.
(03) 4240 3277 View (03) 4240 3277

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How does your Counsellor compare?

Number of Counsellors in East Geelong, VIC

< 10

Counsellors in East Geelong, VIC who prioritize treating:

100% Stress
80% Relationship Issues
80% Anxiety
80% Self Esteem
80% Life Transitions
60% Depression
60% Anger Management

Average years in practice

3 Years

Top 3 insurances accepted

100% Other
100% Bupa
100% CUA Health

How Counsellors in East Geelong, VIC see their clients

100% In Person and Online

Gender breakdown

75% Female
25% Male

FAQs - About Therapy and Counselling

How can I find a therapist in East Geelong?

Search for nearby psychologists or counsellors by inputting your city, suburb, postcode, or a provider’s name into the search bar. From there, you can filter providers by the issues they treat, cost, insurance, gender, and other factors to find providers who are well-suited to your needs. To navigate between locations within the same country, enter a new city or postcode into the search bar.

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Is everyone in the Psychology Today Therapy Directory a licensed therapist?

Counsellors and Psychotherapists listed in the directory are members of the main professional associations, mainly the Australian Counselling Association and the Psychotherapy and Counselling Federation of Australia. Psychologists must be registered in the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA). Most Social Workers listed in the directory are members of the Australian Association of Social Workers (AASW).

Providers whose professional membership or primary credential has been verified by Psychology Today are signified by a “Verified” symbol. Given that professional memberships are not a statutory requirement for social workers, psychotherapists and counsellors in Australia, certain qualified professionals or organisations may choose not to maintain such memberships despite possessing the necessary qualifications. They may be selectively included without the “Verified” seal.

What’s the difference between a psychologist, a therapist, and a counsellor?

Counsellors, psychotherapists and psychologists can all provide counselling or talking therapy and have credentials and experience that enable them to do so in Australia.

Psychologists have earned a 4 year undergraduate degree in psychology and have completed a postgraduate internship or postgraduate degree. Psychotherapists generally have an undergraduate degree in a health related field in addition to 3-4 years of specialist training in psychotherapy and a period of personal psychotherapy. In order to belong to a professional organisation such as the ACA or PACFA, counsellors and psychotherapists are required to have completed a certain level of AQF qualifications and/ or an approved training course as well as clinical and supervision hours. Social Workers registered with the AASW are required to have a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree in Social Work from an accredited institution.

What type of therapy is right for me?

The type of therapy best suited to a particular individual depends on several factors, including their primary reason for seeking therapy, their preferred timeline (some therapy types last for a set number of sessions, while others are open-ended), and their personality and preferences—some may prefer a more structured approach. For many individuals, multiple types of therapy could provide a good fit.

How much does therapy cost?

The cost of therapy depends on a number of variables, including location and the therapist’s experience and training. On average, the cost of a therapy session in Australia could be between $100 and $250. If you have private insurance, your plan may cover some if not all of your sessions. You should contact your insurance provider to determine if they provide coverage for therapy sessions and to determine what, if any, requirements they might have in order for your sessions to be covered, such as a referral from your GP or medical specialist.

What are more affordable or low cost therapy solutions?

Many therapists offer sliding scale payments, usually on a limited number of slots, which consists in an agreement between the therapist and a client to pay a reduced rate. Therapists who provide such arrangements often consider the client's income or ability to pay, but the extent of the discount is ultimately at the therapist's discretion. Furthermore, while group therapy may have different goals and benefits compared to individual therapy, it can be a more affordable solution to address certain types of issues.

If you are struggling to access therapy due to budget constraints, you could also consider public funded mental health services. The Better Access Scheme is a government program offering Medicare rebates for mental health care. To access the program you will need to be assessed and diagnosed by your GP and get a Mental Health Plan. This will allow you to receive up to 10 individual sessions and 10 group sessions a year with practitioners who accept bulk billing, with no out of pocket costs for you.

Is online therapy cheaper than in-person therapy?

Many therapists charge the same amount for online therapy as they do for in-person therapy—though clients may still find this cost-effective if it cuts down on their transportation costs. Health insurance plans often offer equivalent coverage for online and in-person therapy; indeed, in many places, they are legally required to do so. Text-based or on-demand therapy apps may be cheaper than traditional one-on-one psychotherapy; however, the practice may be less effective and is not likely to be covered by insurance.

Is online therapy a good option?

Therapy conducted online can be just as effective as in-person therapy, as long as there is a strong alliance between the client and the therapist. To find a therapist who provides telehealth services to clients in your area, click “Online Therapy” on the directory homepage and search by your city or town or your postcode.

Are therapy sessions confidential?

Therapists who are part of a professional organisation such as the ACA, PACFA, or the APS are bound by an ethical framework that requires them to uphold a confidentiality agreement. Confidentiality is a crucial part of the therapeutic relationship and only under specific circumstances, such as when there is the potential or known harm to the client or others or when a minor is in danger, will a therapist be obligated to break the agreement. These exceptions to the confidentiality agreement are usually discussed during the initial consultation.