Counselling in Murray Region, NSW

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Photo of Heather Lynn Sarau, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Heather Lynn Sarau
Counsellor, ACA-L1
Verified Verified
Albury, NSW 2640
I have several years of experience in working in secondary schools as a teacher, Assistant principal and Principal. I understand the needs of young people and connect and build trust quickly with them. I have experience in working with anxiety, depression, relationship issues, grief and loss, sleep issues and work-related stress. I work on improving quality of life through self-care and mindfulness and had success in building self-esteem and confidence. I work with a large range of ages from 8-90 and offer video link consultations if face to face is not possible. My fees are very reasonable at $110, with no rebate offered.
I have several years of experience in working in secondary schools as a teacher, Assistant principal and Principal. I understand the needs of young people and connect and build trust quickly with them. I have experience in working with anxiety, depression, relationship issues, grief and loss, sleep issues and work-related stress. I work on improving quality of life through self-care and mindfulness and had success in building self-esteem and confidence. I work with a large range of ages from 8-90 and offer video link consultations if face to face is not possible. My fees are very reasonable at $110, with no rebate offered.
(08) 6017 4034 View (08) 6017 4034
Photo of Leah Micallef, Psychologist in Murray Region, NSW
Leah Micallef
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Holbrook, NSW 2644  (Online Only)
If you are going through a life transition, relationship breakdown, injury, illness or mental health condition please reach out to discuss your needs and see how I might be able to support you in reaching your goals.
If you are going through a life transition, relationship breakdown, injury, illness or mental health condition please reach out to discuss your needs and see how I might be able to support you in reaching your goals.
(02) 5016 3145 View (02) 5016 3145
Photo of Wendy Devine, Psychologist in Murray Region, NSW
Wendy Devine
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Holbrook, NSW 2644  (Online Only)
I am dedicated psychologist who is caring, collaborative and empowering in my work with clients. I take a client centred approach, and work with a range of evidence-based therapies tailored to suit the preferences and needs of clients. My therapy approaches primarily include Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT), Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Motivational Interviewing (MI). I have lived most of my life in remote, rural and regional communities, so relate to the lived experience of living in these areas.
I am dedicated psychologist who is caring, collaborative and empowering in my work with clients. I take a client centred approach, and work with a range of evidence-based therapies tailored to suit the preferences and needs of clients. My therapy approaches primarily include Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT), Dialectical Behaviour Therapy (DBT), Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and Motivational Interviewing (MI). I have lived most of my life in remote, rural and regional communities, so relate to the lived experience of living in these areas.
(02) 5023 7561 View (02) 5023 7561
Photo of Karen Seinor, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Karen Seinor
Counsellor, ACA-L2
Verified Verified
Albury, NSW 2640
Big life shift? Anxiety? Are you at a point where you are needing to take stock, create a new vision for yourself or come home to who you truly are? Do you need to voice your concerns out loud so you can hear yourself, and see what's going on? Are you after some hypnotherapy sessions for confidence or stress reduction?
Big life shift? Anxiety? Are you at a point where you are needing to take stock, create a new vision for yourself or come home to who you truly are? Do you need to voice your concerns out loud so you can hear yourself, and see what's going on? Are you after some hypnotherapy sessions for confidence or stress reduction?
(02) 4404 4982 View (02) 4404 4982
Photo of Alice Paton, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Alice Paton
Counsellor
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Howlong, NSW 2643  (Online Only)
Taking a holistic approach to care, Alice aim's to guide clients to explore themselves with curiosity and an open mind. It is her goal to guide clients to uncover root causes, rather than just symptom management. To feel safe and comfortable to express themselves, expand their mind, and speak into their true wants, needs, and desires. Increase your self-awareness and understanding of your unconscious beliefs, perceptions, and patterns. Alice aim's to assist you in setting personal goals that lead to you feeling empowered, open to change, and to bring more joy into your life. Alice is currently working with adults only.
Taking a holistic approach to care, Alice aim's to guide clients to explore themselves with curiosity and an open mind. It is her goal to guide clients to uncover root causes, rather than just symptom management. To feel safe and comfortable to express themselves, expand their mind, and speak into their true wants, needs, and desires. Increase your self-awareness and understanding of your unconscious beliefs, perceptions, and patterns. Alice aim's to assist you in setting personal goals that lead to you feeling empowered, open to change, and to bring more joy into your life. Alice is currently working with adults only.
(02) 5023 7460 View (02) 5023 7460
Photo of Natalie Sobolewski, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Natalie Sobolewski
Counsellor, ACA-L1
Verified Verified
4 Endorsed
Albury, NSW 2640  (Online Only)
Hi, I’m Natalie. I love being a counsellor! It’s such a privilege to hear peoples stories and concerns and to offer support while exploring solutions together. I’m excited that you have taken the first step towards feeling better! I know it can be nerve-racking to make contact and to talk about private things - I’ve been there. I offer a safe, confidential space, to really listen to you and to validate your feelings and experiences. You are not alone! My dream is that you would thrive and know life to the full.
Hi, I’m Natalie. I love being a counsellor! It’s such a privilege to hear peoples stories and concerns and to offer support while exploring solutions together. I’m excited that you have taken the first step towards feeling better! I know it can be nerve-racking to make contact and to talk about private things - I’ve been there. I offer a safe, confidential space, to really listen to you and to validate your feelings and experiences. You are not alone! My dream is that you would thrive and know life to the full.
(02) 5300 2820 View (02) 5300 2820
Photo of Together Couples and Family Counselling, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Together Couples and Family Counselling
Counsellor, ACA-L1
Verified Verified
Deniliquin, NSW 2710
My name is Susan Strong, and my desire at Together Couples and Family Counselling is to help couples to learn how to communicate well through listening and sharing well and to help build families in which everyone can feel seen, soothed, safe, secure and loved. Through training with the Australian Institute of Family Counselling, Mindsight Institute, Gottman Institute, and the Australian Childhood Foundation I seek to use techniques based on interpersonal neurobiology, attachment theory and using a trauma informed lens to help families become closer, stronger, and each member feeling more completely known.
My name is Susan Strong, and my desire at Together Couples and Family Counselling is to help couples to learn how to communicate well through listening and sharing well and to help build families in which everyone can feel seen, soothed, safe, secure and loved. Through training with the Australian Institute of Family Counselling, Mindsight Institute, Gottman Institute, and the Australian Childhood Foundation I seek to use techniques based on interpersonal neurobiology, attachment theory and using a trauma informed lens to help families become closer, stronger, and each member feeling more completely known.
(08) 9932 0382 View (08) 9932 0382
Photo of Lauren Barrett, Psychologist in Murray Region, NSW
Lauren Barrett
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
Holbrook, NSW 2644
I am a registered psychologist with experience working privately, within Medicare and insurance schemes. I work with individuals experiencing acute and chronic injuries, chronic illness, psychological distress and diagnoses (particularly eating disorders, trauma and personality disorders). Using a collaborative treatment approach I work with my clients to identify their needs, set goals and reach individualised treatment outcomes in order to improve quality of life and reduce distressing symptoms.
I am a registered psychologist with experience working privately, within Medicare and insurance schemes. I work with individuals experiencing acute and chronic injuries, chronic illness, psychological distress and diagnoses (particularly eating disorders, trauma and personality disorders). Using a collaborative treatment approach I work with my clients to identify their needs, set goals and reach individualised treatment outcomes in order to improve quality of life and reduce distressing symptoms.
(02) 5016 1101 View (02) 5016 1101
Photo of Jacqueline Lieschke, Psychologist in Murray Region, NSW
Jacqueline Lieschke
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Holbrook, NSW 2644  (Online Only)
I am a registered psychologist and deliver psychological sessions via telehealth, so that you can access support from wherever you are located. I am passionate about fostering a strong therapeutic relationship, and developing your insight into your current difficulties to support you to get the most from each session, and make changes in your life to improve your wellbeing.
I am a registered psychologist and deliver psychological sessions via telehealth, so that you can access support from wherever you are located. I am passionate about fostering a strong therapeutic relationship, and developing your insight into your current difficulties to support you to get the most from each session, and make changes in your life to improve your wellbeing.
(02) 5021 7217 View (02) 5021 7217
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The Rural Counsellor
Counsellor, MA, ACA-L3
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Barham, NSW 2732
Living through a pandemic added additional pressures for many people who were already experiencing hardships. I felt it too. I can assist clients to gain clarity in choices and decisions they make and to reduce the haziness of brain fog many are experiencing. Connecting with clients is an essential component of counselling, taking an empathetic approach where I can see things from a clients perspective helps to develop the connection we will share together. Sometimes no matter how hard some of us try, we can no longer manage alone, we need to reach out and seek professional support. I can support you through your challenges.
Living through a pandemic added additional pressures for many people who were already experiencing hardships. I felt it too. I can assist clients to gain clarity in choices and decisions they make and to reduce the haziness of brain fog many are experiencing. Connecting with clients is an essential component of counselling, taking an empathetic approach where I can see things from a clients perspective helps to develop the connection we will share together. Sometimes no matter how hard some of us try, we can no longer manage alone, we need to reach out and seek professional support. I can support you through your challenges.
(03) 4420 3846 View (03) 4420 3846
Therapy Toolbox Psychology and Counselling
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
Deniliquin, NSW 2710
At Therapy Toolbox Psychology & Counselling, we enjoy the variety that life brings. As such, we enjoy working with a diverse range of people with a variety of difficulties. We work across the lifespan, meaning we work with young children, right up to elderly adults. We provide counselling to individuals, couples, families, and children. We accept NDIS clients, and can offer Medicare rebates for up to ten sessions a year to those eligible with a mental health care plan from their GP. We understand it can be difficult to take the first step into therapy, and so we focus on making sure you’re feeling comfortable as our first step.
At Therapy Toolbox Psychology & Counselling, we enjoy the variety that life brings. As such, we enjoy working with a diverse range of people with a variety of difficulties. We work across the lifespan, meaning we work with young children, right up to elderly adults. We provide counselling to individuals, couples, families, and children. We accept NDIS clients, and can offer Medicare rebates for up to ten sessions a year to those eligible with a mental health care plan from their GP. We understand it can be difficult to take the first step into therapy, and so we focus on making sure you’re feeling comfortable as our first step.
(03) 8104 9039 View (03) 8104 9039
Photo of Nicole Jackson Counselling & Psychotherapy, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Nicole Jackson Counselling & Psychotherapy
Counsellor, PACFA
Verified Verified
West Albury, NSW 2640
Not accepting new clients
Everyone, at some point in their lives, struggles with challenging emotions that stand in the way of fully living. Perhaps you become overwhelmed with the smallest decisions, or you find it hard to deal with the people in your life. It is not uncommon to feel lost or discouraged and to think “Why do I keep making the same mistakes? Why can’t I take control of my life and live on my own terms? Will things ever change?”.
Everyone, at some point in their lives, struggles with challenging emotions that stand in the way of fully living. Perhaps you become overwhelmed with the smallest decisions, or you find it hard to deal with the people in your life. It is not uncommon to feel lost or discouraged and to think “Why do I keep making the same mistakes? Why can’t I take control of my life and live on my own terms? Will things ever change?”.
(02) 6045 9031 View (02) 6045 9031
Photo of Michael Ellis, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Michael Ellis
Counsellor, ACA-L2
Verified Verified
4 Endorsed
Wentworth, NSW 2648
Catalyst Counselling offers individual sessions for Adolescents and Adults both face-to-face in Broken Hill and online, serving clients nationally. You can expect a service that supplies a simple framework to inherently complex issues for effective and efficient interventions. You can also expect an empathetic approach to you as an individual who is greater than your presentation.
Catalyst Counselling offers individual sessions for Adolescents and Adults both face-to-face in Broken Hill and online, serving clients nationally. You can expect a service that supplies a simple framework to inherently complex issues for effective and efficient interventions. You can also expect an empathetic approach to you as an individual who is greater than your presentation.
(02) 6188 6063 View (02) 6188 6063
Photo of Jessica Connell, Psychologist in Murray Region, NSW
Jessica Connell
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
Albury, NSW 2640  (Online Only)
Psychologist with 16 yrs plus experience in broad range of areas. I'm an easy going, direct, non-judgemental, empathetic, calm practitioner with a sense of humor. I'm great at getting to the bottom of problems quickly & will work hard to make my clients feel at ease. I can help you navigate difficult life decisions or issues, process past or current issues and reconnect with yourself. I work in a client centered holistic manner, taking your entire wellbeing into consideration, to meet your individual needs & goals.I have a special interest in working with women, ADHD, spiritual issues, helping clients find direction and meaning.
Psychologist with 16 yrs plus experience in broad range of areas. I'm an easy going, direct, non-judgemental, empathetic, calm practitioner with a sense of humor. I'm great at getting to the bottom of problems quickly & will work hard to make my clients feel at ease. I can help you navigate difficult life decisions or issues, process past or current issues and reconnect with yourself. I work in a client centered holistic manner, taking your entire wellbeing into consideration, to meet your individual needs & goals.I have a special interest in working with women, ADHD, spiritual issues, helping clients find direction and meaning.
(03) 7003 2233 View (03) 7003 2233
Jenelle H. Rothenberg
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Verified Verified
Albury, NSW 2640
Youth (12-25 years) mental health clinician. Experienced in providing evidence-based treatment and assessment for youth clinical mental health conditions (ages 12-25).
Youth (12-25 years) mental health clinician. Experienced in providing evidence-based treatment and assessment for youth clinical mental health conditions (ages 12-25).
(08) 7666 2371 View (08) 7666 2371
Photo of Amanda Sacco, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Amanda Sacco
Counsellor, MA, PACFA
Verified Verified
Albury, NSW 2640
Connection Matters Counselling is a specialist counselling service for couples and families. The happiness we enjoy in relationships is strongly linked to our ability to communicate effectively, yet often we have limited experience with being taught this crucial skill. Lack of communication can result in increasing conflict or distance regarding several challenges such as navigating the impact of an affair, family, stepfamily and in-law dynamics, financial strain, difference in goals and values, resentment and grudges, lack of emotional support, trust and jealously issues and intimacy and sexuality challenges.
Connection Matters Counselling is a specialist counselling service for couples and families. The happiness we enjoy in relationships is strongly linked to our ability to communicate effectively, yet often we have limited experience with being taught this crucial skill. Lack of communication can result in increasing conflict or distance regarding several challenges such as navigating the impact of an affair, family, stepfamily and in-law dynamics, financial strain, difference in goals and values, resentment and grudges, lack of emotional support, trust and jealously issues and intimacy and sexuality challenges.
(03) 4708 5773 View (03) 4708 5773
Photo of Sticksnstones therapeutic services, Psychotherapist in Murray Region, NSW
Sticksnstones therapeutic services
Psychotherapist, MA, PACFA
Verified Verified
West Albury, NSW 2640
I am an Clinical Psychotherapist , Couples and Family therapist with over 30 years of experience in a number of setting that include, Clinical Mental Health, Post Separation, Family violence, and educational settings . I am an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker, Registered EMDR practitioner, Registered Sandplay and Expressive therapist and Certified level 2 IFS Therapist . Registered as a clinical member of the International and National licensed registering bodies for the Australian relationship counsellors & Family therapists. Completed training in Havening , polyvagal , Child Centred Play Therapy, ACT and DBT .
I am an Clinical Psychotherapist , Couples and Family therapist with over 30 years of experience in a number of setting that include, Clinical Mental Health, Post Separation, Family violence, and educational settings . I am an Accredited Mental Health Social Worker, Registered EMDR practitioner, Registered Sandplay and Expressive therapist and Certified level 2 IFS Therapist . Registered as a clinical member of the International and National licensed registering bodies for the Australian relationship counsellors & Family therapists. Completed training in Havening , polyvagal , Child Centred Play Therapy, ACT and DBT .
(03) 8737 9402 View (03) 8737 9402
Photo of Rykie Smith, Psychotherapist in Murray Region, NSW
Rykie Smith
Psychotherapist, MA
Verified Verified
Albury, NSW 2640
Our mental health determines the quality of our lives. How we view ourselves and the world around us determines whether we live fulfilling, meaningful lives, or whether we struggle with feelings of worthlessness, hopelessness and despair. Our emotional wellbeing has an influence on our relationships and career success; it can dictate whether we feel safe and whole, or scared and anxious.
Our mental health determines the quality of our lives. How we view ourselves and the world around us determines whether we live fulfilling, meaningful lives, or whether we struggle with feelings of worthlessness, hopelessness and despair. Our emotional wellbeing has an influence on our relationships and career success; it can dictate whether we feel safe and whole, or scared and anxious.
(03) 4722 1572 View (03) 4722 1572
Photo of Sara Louise Harris, Counsellor in Murray Region, NSW
Sara Louise Harris
Counsellor, ACA-L2
Verified Verified
1 Endorsed
Albury, NSW 2640
Specialising in relationships, trauma and anxiety. I work collaboratively with you to reach your mental health & wellbeing goals, working with individuals, couples, families & teens. People often present with anxiety, depression, health issues/challenges, trauma, anger issues, lack of self-worth/confidence, parenting challenges, relationship issues, family challenges, difficulty managing stress, grief/loss & more. Specialising also in women's health issues impacting mental health, including fertility, perinatal anxiety, menopause, PMS, endometriosis, PCOS, cancers, etc. Here to support you to enrich your life & your relationships.
Specialising in relationships, trauma and anxiety. I work collaboratively with you to reach your mental health & wellbeing goals, working with individuals, couples, families & teens. People often present with anxiety, depression, health issues/challenges, trauma, anger issues, lack of self-worth/confidence, parenting challenges, relationship issues, family challenges, difficulty managing stress, grief/loss & more. Specialising also in women's health issues impacting mental health, including fertility, perinatal anxiety, menopause, PMS, endometriosis, PCOS, cancers, etc. Here to support you to enrich your life & your relationships.
(03) 7003 2963 View (03) 7003 2963
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Free Form Creative Arts Therapy for Children
Psychotherapist, MA, AThR
Verified Verified
Albury, NSW 2640
Not accepting new clients
Rebecca is a multi-modal creative therapist who specialises in working with children aged 0-10 and their families. It can be hard for children to understand big emotions and talk about their feelings. Some life experiences are too big, painful or confusing to express in words. Rebecca helps children to work through these issues through playful and fun psychological techniques. When we explore an issue creatively, we can begin to look at it from another point of view, and learn how to cope with and discuss emotions or difficulties in a supportive and caring environment. No artistic skill is required to participate.
Rebecca is a multi-modal creative therapist who specialises in working with children aged 0-10 and their families. It can be hard for children to understand big emotions and talk about their feelings. Some life experiences are too big, painful or confusing to express in words. Rebecca helps children to work through these issues through playful and fun psychological techniques. When we explore an issue creatively, we can begin to look at it from another point of view, and learn how to cope with and discuss emotions or difficulties in a supportive and caring environment. No artistic skill is required to participate.
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Number of Counsellors in Murray Region, NSW

40+

Average cost per session

$160

Counsellors in Murray Region, NSW who prioritize treating:

85% Anxiety
83% Depression
76% Stress
73% Trauma and PTSD
66% Self Esteem
61% Relationship Issues
61% Coping Skills

Average years in practice

7 Years

Top 3 insurances accepted

72% Medicare Rebates
56% Other
56% NDIS

How Counsellors in Murray Region, NSW see their clients

71% In Person and Online
29% Online Only

Gender breakdown

90% Female
10% Male
FAQs - About Therapy and Counselling

How can I find a therapist in Murray Region?

Search for nearby psychologists or counsellors by inputting your city, suburb, postcode, or a provider’s name into the search bar. From there, you can filter providers by the issues they treat, cost, insurance, gender, and other factors to find providers who are well-suited to your needs. To navigate between locations within the same country, enter a new city or postcode into the search bar.

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Is everyone in the Psychology Today Therapy Directory a licensed therapist?

Counsellors and Psychotherapists listed in the directory are members of the main professional associations, mainly the Australian Counselling Association and the Psychotherapy and Counselling Federation of Australia. Psychologists must be registered in the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA). Most Social Workers listed in the directory are members of the Australian Association of Social Workers (AASW).

Providers whose professional membership or primary credential has been verified by Psychology Today are signified by a “Verified” symbol. Given that professional memberships are not a statutory requirement for social workers, psychotherapists and counsellors in Australia, certain qualified professionals or organisations may choose not to maintain such memberships despite possessing the necessary qualifications. They may be selectively included without the “Verified” seal.

What’s the difference between a psychologist, a therapist, and a counsellor?

Counsellors, psychotherapists and psychologists can all provide counselling or talking therapy and have credentials and experience that enable them to do so in Australia.

Psychologists have earned a 4 year undergraduate degree in psychology and have completed a postgraduate internship or postgraduate degree. Psychotherapists generally have an undergraduate degree in a health related field in addition to 3-4 years of specialist training in psychotherapy and a period of personal psychotherapy. In order to belong to a professional organisation such as the ACA or PACFA, counsellors and psychotherapists are required to have completed a certain level of AQF qualifications and/ or an approved training course as well as clinical and supervision hours. Social Workers registered with the AASW are required to have a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree in Social Work from an accredited institution.

What type of therapy is right for me?

The type of therapy best suited to a particular individual depends on several factors, including their primary reason for seeking therapy, their preferred timeline (some therapy types last for a set number of sessions, while others are open-ended), and their personality and preferences—some may prefer a more structured approach. For many individuals, multiple types of therapy could provide a good fit.

How much does therapy cost?

The cost of therapy depends on a number of variables, including location and the therapist’s experience and training. On average, the cost of a therapy session in Australia could be between $100 and $250. If you have private insurance, your plan may cover some if not all of your sessions. You should contact your insurance provider to determine if they provide coverage for therapy sessions and to determine what, if any, requirements they might have in order for your sessions to be covered, such as a referral from your GP or medical specialist.

What are more affordable or low cost therapy solutions?

Many therapists offer sliding scale payments, usually on a limited number of slots, which consists in an agreement between the therapist and a client to pay a reduced rate. Therapists who provide such arrangements often consider the client's income or ability to pay, but the extent of the discount is ultimately at the therapist's discretion. Furthermore, while group therapy may have different goals and benefits compared to individual therapy, it can be a more affordable solution to address certain types of issues.

If you are struggling to access therapy due to budget constraints, you could also consider public funded mental health services. The Better Access Scheme is a government program offering Medicare rebates for mental health care. To access the program you will need to be assessed and diagnosed by your GP and get a Mental Health Plan. This will allow you to receive up to 10 individual sessions and 10 group sessions a year with practitioners who accept bulk billing, with no out of pocket costs for you.

Is online therapy cheaper than in-person therapy?

Many therapists charge the same amount for online therapy as they do for in-person therapy—though clients may still find this cost-effective if it cuts down on their transportation costs. Health insurance plans often offer equivalent coverage for online and in-person therapy; indeed, in many places, they are legally required to do so. Text-based or on-demand therapy apps may be cheaper than traditional one-on-one psychotherapy; however, the practice may be less effective and is not likely to be covered by insurance.

Is online therapy a good option?

Therapy conducted online can be just as effective as in-person therapy, as long as there is a strong alliance between the client and the therapist. To find a therapist who provides telehealth services to clients in your area, click “Online Therapy” on the directory homepage and search by your city or town or your postcode.

Are therapy sessions confidential?

Therapists who are part of a professional organisation such as the ACA, PACFA, or the APS are bound by an ethical framework that requires them to uphold a confidentiality agreement. Confidentiality is a crucial part of the therapeutic relationship and only under specific circumstances, such as when there is the potential or known harm to the client or others or when a minor is in danger, will a therapist be obligated to break the agreement. These exceptions to the confidentiality agreement are usually discussed during the initial consultation.