Counselling in 6065

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Chilled Psychology
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA General
Hocking, WA 6065
Providing telehealth therapy for adults aged 18 and over throughout Australia. Areas of focus include anxiety disorders, trauma, depression, work-related stress, relationship difficulties, and major life transitions. Therapy is carefully tailored to meet each individual’s unique needs, using evidence-based approaches designed to build effective coping skills, improve emotional regulation, and promote mental wellbeing. The process is collaborative and client-centered to support sustainable, meaningful change.
Providing telehealth therapy for adults aged 18 and over throughout Australia. Areas of focus include anxiety disorders, trauma, depression, work-related stress, relationship difficulties, and major life transitions. Therapy is carefully tailored to meet each individual’s unique needs, using evidence-based approaches designed to build effective coping skills, improve emotional regulation, and promote mental wellbeing. The process is collaborative and client-centered to support sustainable, meaningful change.
(08) 6206 8602 View (08) 6206 8602
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Valorie Leanne Bance
Counsellor, MC, ACA-L2
Online Only
I wish to offer support with mental health in a judgement free space, where your gender and sexual identity can be the focus but only if you want it to be. There is a lot of discrimination and bias towards our community and I want to provide that safe space where you are able to talk and process aspects of your life without fear of judgement. Anyone is welcome whether you are questioning your identity, or a member of the community just wanting to talk about an issue without your identity being made part of it. Start anew and be true to you with the New moon.
I wish to offer support with mental health in a judgement free space, where your gender and sexual identity can be the focus but only if you want it to be. There is a lot of discrimination and bias towards our community and I want to provide that safe space where you are able to talk and process aspects of your life without fear of judgement. Anyone is welcome whether you are questioning your identity, or a member of the community just wanting to talk about an issue without your identity being made part of it. Start anew and be true to you with the New moon.
(08) 6219 3054 View (08) 6219 3054
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I have worked alongside children, young people, families and communities for the past 30 years. I integrate Social-emotional Learning Theory to help children and young people better understand their thoughts and emotions, and develop techniques to help them cope with life’s ups and downs. I work creatively with each child/young person through the use of play therapy, stories, games, art and a range of engaging activities to develop and support social and emotional skills within children/young people that can equip them with tools to deal with challenges in their life as well as achieve personal goals.
I have worked alongside children, young people, families and communities for the past 30 years. I integrate Social-emotional Learning Theory to help children and young people better understand their thoughts and emotions, and develop techniques to help them cope with life’s ups and downs. I work creatively with each child/young person through the use of play therapy, stories, games, art and a range of engaging activities to develop and support social and emotional skills within children/young people that can equip them with tools to deal with challenges in their life as well as achieve personal goals.
(08) 6219 3752 View (08) 6219 3752
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Janet Gallagher
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA - Clin. Psych
Wanneroo, WA 6065
Janet provides support to clients using a strength based perspective. She has experience working across the lifespan, with most of her experience being in the area of childhood trauma. She likes to use various evidenced based therapeutic frameworks including Schema Therapy, EMDR and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy.
Janet provides support to clients using a strength based perspective. She has experience working across the lifespan, with most of her experience being in the area of childhood trauma. She likes to use various evidenced based therapeutic frameworks including Schema Therapy, EMDR and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy.
(08) 6206 8143 View (08) 6206 8143
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Shelley Bell
Counsellor, MA, ACA-L3
1 Endorsed
Wanneroo, WA 6065
Hi! I'm Shelley, counsellor at Branch of Hope. I'm so glad you're here! If you're feeling stuck, struggling to find motivation, or caught in a cycle of worry, you're in the right place. I offer compassionate and professional counselling to provide individuals and couples with the support and clarity they need to move forward. I offer a warm and non-judgemental space where you can take the time to explore and process what is going on in your life. In this space, I invite you to come as you are, be accepted where you're at, and be listened to with respect and empathy.
Hi! I'm Shelley, counsellor at Branch of Hope. I'm so glad you're here! If you're feeling stuck, struggling to find motivation, or caught in a cycle of worry, you're in the right place. I offer compassionate and professional counselling to provide individuals and couples with the support and clarity they need to move forward. I offer a warm and non-judgemental space where you can take the time to explore and process what is going on in your life. In this space, I invite you to come as you are, be accepted where you're at, and be listened to with respect and empathy.
(08) 6206 8204 View (08) 6206 8204
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Tanya Servaas
Counsellor, MA, PACFA
Wangara, WA 6065
Are you struggling personally and/or professional at the moment? Do you find your feelings overwhelming or do you find it difficult to feel anything? Are you constantly in your head trying to work things out, please others and/or find it difficult to express your own needs? Discover how you can be the best version of you and begin to heal issues like addiction, mental health, trauma, relationship breakdowns, grief and loss, poor coping skills, low self-esteem and/or lack of self care issues in a way that is kind, compassionate and empathetic.
Are you struggling personally and/or professional at the moment? Do you find your feelings overwhelming or do you find it difficult to feel anything? Are you constantly in your head trying to work things out, please others and/or find it difficult to express your own needs? Discover how you can be the best version of you and begin to heal issues like addiction, mental health, trauma, relationship breakdowns, grief and loss, poor coping skills, low self-esteem and/or lack of self care issues in a way that is kind, compassionate and empathetic.
(08) 9516 1469 View (08) 9516 1469
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Branda Newton
Psychologist, MPsych, PsyBA General
Serves Area
I provide psychological support to children (5+ years), adolescents, and adults, and have experience in the not-for-profit and public hospital system. I have experience in the assessment and treatment of mood disorders, personality disorders, adjustment disorders, trauma, family-of-origin issues, and interpersonal and relationship difficulties. I also work with other psychological concerns including low self-esteem and self-worth, body image issues, stress and burnout, and emotion dysregulation.
I provide psychological support to children (5+ years), adolescents, and adults, and have experience in the not-for-profit and public hospital system. I have experience in the assessment and treatment of mood disorders, personality disorders, adjustment disorders, trauma, family-of-origin issues, and interpersonal and relationship difficulties. I also work with other psychological concerns including low self-esteem and self-worth, body image issues, stress and burnout, and emotion dysregulation.
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Rebecca Royle
Counsellor, PACFA
1 Endorsed
Serves Area
Welcome to Arukah, as a clinical counsellor/family therapist, I focus on compassion and respect, addressing your physical, emotional/spiritual needs. I offer-Couples/Marriage Counselling, Premarital, Individual/General Counselling, Family Therapy, Child/Adolescent Counselling, Christian Counselling, Grief and Loss Counselling, Parent Support/School Support, Counselling for Migrant Communities and Women issues. I also offer Online counselling. Taking a gentle approach my commitment is to help you reach your goals and offer strategies, ensuring that your story is always empathically listened too. My goal is to empower and support you.
Welcome to Arukah, as a clinical counsellor/family therapist, I focus on compassion and respect, addressing your physical, emotional/spiritual needs. I offer-Couples/Marriage Counselling, Premarital, Individual/General Counselling, Family Therapy, Child/Adolescent Counselling, Christian Counselling, Grief and Loss Counselling, Parent Support/School Support, Counselling for Migrant Communities and Women issues. I also offer Online counselling. Taking a gentle approach my commitment is to help you reach your goals and offer strategies, ensuring that your story is always empathically listened too. My goal is to empower and support you.
(08) 6490 9069 View (08) 6490 9069
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Yosi Regan
Psychologist, PsyBA General
1 Endorsed
Serves Area
Yosi has experience supporting individuals with: Trauma informed care, Depression, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), Anxiety and panic, Emotion regulation, Alcohol and other drugs (AOD), adhd, Assertiveness training, LGBTQI+ issues, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander background, Stress, Behavioural problems, Personality disorders, Anger management, Grief and loss, Adoption issues, Personal development, Low self-esteem, Life Transition, and Adjustment Issues.
Yosi has experience supporting individuals with: Trauma informed care, Depression, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), Anxiety and panic, Emotion regulation, Alcohol and other drugs (AOD), adhd, Assertiveness training, LGBTQI+ issues, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander background, Stress, Behavioural problems, Personality disorders, Anger management, Grief and loss, Adoption issues, Personal development, Low self-esteem, Life Transition, and Adjustment Issues.
(08) 6490 9103 View (08) 6490 9103
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Bronwyn Lenyszyn
Counsellor, ACA-L2
1 Endorsed
Serves Area
Hello, my name is Bronwyn. Thank you for visiting my profile. Are you feeling disconnected from your loved ones or finding yourself overwhelmed by loneliness, stress, anxiety, or trauma? Maybe you’re not sure where to turn, but you know you need support. When you work with me, you’ll be connecting with a counsellor who not only brings professional knowledge but also lived experience. What sets me apart is my deep understanding of the emotional toll that relationship struggles, divorce, parenting stress, grief and loss, abandonment, emotional abuse, and feeling unseen or unheard can have on someone.
Hello, my name is Bronwyn. Thank you for visiting my profile. Are you feeling disconnected from your loved ones or finding yourself overwhelmed by loneliness, stress, anxiety, or trauma? Maybe you’re not sure where to turn, but you know you need support. When you work with me, you’ll be connecting with a counsellor who not only brings professional knowledge but also lived experience. What sets me apart is my deep understanding of the emotional toll that relationship struggles, divorce, parenting stress, grief and loss, abandonment, emotional abuse, and feeling unseen or unheard can have on someone.
(08) 6171 2483 View (08) 6171 2483
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Donelle Green
Psychotherapist, MA, ACA-L4
1 Endorsed
Online Only
Do you wonder "what's happened to us?" Maybe you know what's happened, a betrayal for example, maybe you don't know, but things just don't feel like they used to. You might be having more arguments, feeling disconnected from each-other or resentful and hurt. Maybe you struggle to communicate without anger, or feel you can't talk about the 'big' things. Maybe you struggle with anxiety, depression or unaddressed stress that impacts your relationship. Or, maybe it is stressors outside your relationship, but is impacting it, such as in-laws or FIFO work. Whatever the cause, I imagine you just want your relationship to feel better.
Do you wonder "what's happened to us?" Maybe you know what's happened, a betrayal for example, maybe you don't know, but things just don't feel like they used to. You might be having more arguments, feeling disconnected from each-other or resentful and hurt. Maybe you struggle to communicate without anger, or feel you can't talk about the 'big' things. Maybe you struggle with anxiety, depression or unaddressed stress that impacts your relationship. Or, maybe it is stressors outside your relationship, but is impacting it, such as in-laws or FIFO work. Whatever the cause, I imagine you just want your relationship to feel better.
(08) 6219 3937 View (08) 6219 3937
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Sallyann Richards
Counsellor, MA, ACA-L3
1 Endorsed
Serves Area
Life for all of us can be unpredictable and at times difficult to navigate. Experiencing change can lead to feelings of anxiety, stress or depression impacting your sense of purpose and general enjoyment of life. As a registered counsellor with over 15 years experience, I am committed to exploring together what works for you in your unique situation. My hope for you is that incremental shifts in your experience will lead to meaningful change in your life.
Life for all of us can be unpredictable and at times difficult to navigate. Experiencing change can lead to feelings of anxiety, stress or depression impacting your sense of purpose and general enjoyment of life. As a registered counsellor with over 15 years experience, I am committed to exploring together what works for you in your unique situation. My hope for you is that incremental shifts in your experience will lead to meaningful change in your life.
(08) 6219 3399 View (08) 6219 3399
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Joel Camkin
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Serves Area
We specialise in providing comprehensive psychological assessments for all ages. Whether you’re seeking clarity on challenges related to ADHD, dyslexia, autism, or other areas of concern, our goal is to offer thorough evaluations that provide actionable insights and personalised recommendations. These assessments are designed to help you or your loved one better understand strengths, challenges, and the path forward.
We specialise in providing comprehensive psychological assessments for all ages. Whether you’re seeking clarity on challenges related to ADHD, dyslexia, autism, or other areas of concern, our goal is to offer thorough evaluations that provide actionable insights and personalised recommendations. These assessments are designed to help you or your loved one better understand strengths, challenges, and the path forward.
(08) 6490 9576 View (08) 6490 9576
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Jessica Rubelli
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Online Only
It can be overwhelming and daunting to find a therapist who understands you, your story and your life. You don’t want the “cookie cutter”answers or quick fixes because it feeds into the dissatisfaction and feelings of being unheard.
It can be overwhelming and daunting to find a therapist who understands you, your story and your life. You don’t want the “cookie cutter”answers or quick fixes because it feeds into the dissatisfaction and feelings of being unheard.
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Jennifer Wolff
Counsellor, MA, ACA-L3
Serves Area
Hello and welcome! I'm Jen and I provide a safe, compassionate, non-judgemental space for you to explore your concerns with a warm, empathetic, client centred therapist. If you feel like you're treading water or drowning under life's pressures and you need some help, you've come to the right place. As a Master of Counselling qualified therapist, I incorporate a variety of evidence-based interventions and tailor therapy to your needs, preferences, and values. I help you understand underlying factors that are contributing to your current problems, develop new skills and strategies, make changes, and move towards healing and recovery.
Hello and welcome! I'm Jen and I provide a safe, compassionate, non-judgemental space for you to explore your concerns with a warm, empathetic, client centred therapist. If you feel like you're treading water or drowning under life's pressures and you need some help, you've come to the right place. As a Master of Counselling qualified therapist, I incorporate a variety of evidence-based interventions and tailor therapy to your needs, preferences, and values. I help you understand underlying factors that are contributing to your current problems, develop new skills and strategies, make changes, and move towards healing and recovery.
(08) 6206 8854 View (08) 6206 8854
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Nadia Truong CARE Psychology Services
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Serves Area
Nadia is a registered psychologist who places great emphasis on developing a therapeutic relationship with her clients and applies an individualised, client-centred approach to therapy. Her strengths-based approach helps clients to feel centred, affirmed, resilient and empowered so they can achieve potential personal growth. She is committed to a holistic approach to comprehensively address the various factors that may undermine a person’s resilience and sense of wellbeing. Nadia is also a Board Approved Supervisor with over 20 years of experience in the mental health sector.
Nadia is a registered psychologist who places great emphasis on developing a therapeutic relationship with her clients and applies an individualised, client-centred approach to therapy. Her strengths-based approach helps clients to feel centred, affirmed, resilient and empowered so they can achieve potential personal growth. She is committed to a holistic approach to comprehensively address the various factors that may undermine a person’s resilience and sense of wellbeing. Nadia is also a Board Approved Supervisor with over 20 years of experience in the mental health sector.
(08) 6219 3897 View (08) 6219 3897
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Vanesse Cronje
Psychotherapist, MA, PACFA
1 Endorsed
Serves Area
My ideal client is someone who values connection and is committed to strengthening their relationships, whether individually or as a couple. They seek a peaceful, private space to explore their challenges and are open to working closely together to foster positive change. Whether facing daily struggles or deeper issues, they are motivated to achieve personal growth and resilience with tailored support.
My ideal client is someone who values connection and is committed to strengthening their relationships, whether individually or as a couple. They seek a peaceful, private space to explore their challenges and are open to working closely together to foster positive change. Whether facing daily struggles or deeper issues, they are motivated to achieve personal growth and resilience with tailored support.
(08) 6206 8003 View (08) 6206 8003
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Better Life Counsellors and Psychotherapists
Psychotherapist, ACA-L2
1 Endorsed
Serves Area
Compassionate Support for Healing & Growth Life can feel overwhelming at times, leaving you anxious, depressed, or struggling to cope. If you’re facing challenges in your relationships, experiencing the pain of betrayal, or working through personal trauma, you don’t have to navigate it alone. I specialize in helping individuals and couples heal from marital issues, adultery, and emotional wounds while equipping them with the tools to rebuild trust and create a fulfilling future.
Compassionate Support for Healing & Growth Life can feel overwhelming at times, leaving you anxious, depressed, or struggling to cope. If you’re facing challenges in your relationships, experiencing the pain of betrayal, or working through personal trauma, you don’t have to navigate it alone. I specialize in helping individuals and couples heal from marital issues, adultery, and emotional wounds while equipping them with the tools to rebuild trust and create a fulfilling future.
(08) 9329 3397 View (08) 9329 3397
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Connecting Dots Counselling
Counsellor, ACA-L2
Serves Area
Hi, I am Theresa Acutt. The very first thing I will do is listen. I will provide a space where you are heard and supported, at your pace, so that you are able to move towards finding solutions that work for you. This space is a highly confidential and nonjudgmental space. During the session, I will incorporate a variety of evidence-based interventions specific to your individual needs. Imagine that in your session, you were to discover hope that something could change or a small step that showed you a way out of a situation, new perspectives, clarity, new skill, strategies and a better version of yourself.
Hi, I am Theresa Acutt. The very first thing I will do is listen. I will provide a space where you are heard and supported, at your pace, so that you are able to move towards finding solutions that work for you. This space is a highly confidential and nonjudgmental space. During the session, I will incorporate a variety of evidence-based interventions specific to your individual needs. Imagine that in your session, you were to discover hope that something could change or a small step that showed you a way out of a situation, new perspectives, clarity, new skill, strategies and a better version of yourself.
(08) 6219 3877 View (08) 6219 3877
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Vanessa Bye
Psychologist, PsyBA General
Serves Area
As a psychologist and woman with a lived experience of trauma recovery I provide a safe, supportive, & understanding space for other women to share, reflect & explore how their past impacts their present. I work with women who experience anxiety, low self-esteem, past/present trauma, grief, relationship issues, life adjustments & depression. We all have vulnerable parts of ourselves that can be triggered causing anxiety, the fight & flight response, & relationship issues. Through tailored psychotherapy I can support you to process your story, gain emotional wellbeing, & open doors to new opportunities and a hopeful future.
As a psychologist and woman with a lived experience of trauma recovery I provide a safe, supportive, & understanding space for other women to share, reflect & explore how their past impacts their present. I work with women who experience anxiety, low self-esteem, past/present trauma, grief, relationship issues, life adjustments & depression. We all have vulnerable parts of ourselves that can be triggered causing anxiety, the fight & flight response, & relationship issues. Through tailored psychotherapy I can support you to process your story, gain emotional wellbeing, & open doors to new opportunities and a hopeful future.
(08) 6219 3671 View (08) 6219 3671

How does your Counsellor compare?

Number of Counsellors in 6065

30+

Average cost per session

$150

Counsellors in 6065 who prioritize treating:

91% Anxiety
88% Depression
88% Coping Skills
82% Stress
76% Relationship Issues
74% Self Esteem
65% Trauma and PTSD

Average years in practice

8 Years

Top 3 insurances accepted

50% Bupa
50% Medicare Rebates
50% Medibank Private

How Counsellors in 6065 see their clients

88% In Person and Online
12% Online Only

Gender breakdown

76% Female
24% Male
FAQs - About Therapy and Counselling

How can I find a therapist in 6065?

Search for nearby psychologists or counsellors by inputting your city, suburb, postcode, or a provider’s name into the search bar. From there, you can filter providers by the issues they treat, cost, insurance, gender, and other factors to find providers who are well-suited to your needs. To navigate between locations within the same country, enter a new city or postcode into the search bar.

Learn more about how to find a therapist

Is everyone in the Psychology Today Therapy Directory a licensed therapist?

Counsellors and Psychotherapists listed in the directory are members of the main professional associations, mainly the Australian Counselling Association and the Psychotherapy and Counselling Federation of Australia. Psychologists must be registered in the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA). Most Social Workers listed in the directory are members of the Australian Association of Social Workers (AASW).

Providers whose professional membership or primary credential has been verified by Psychology Today are signified by a “Verified” symbol. Given that professional memberships are not a statutory requirement for social workers, psychotherapists and counsellors in Australia, certain qualified professionals or organisations may choose not to maintain such memberships despite possessing the necessary qualifications. They may be selectively included without the “Verified” seal.

What’s the difference between a psychologist, a therapist, and a counsellor?

Counsellors, psychotherapists and psychologists can all provide counselling or talking therapy and have credentials and experience that enable them to do so in Australia.

Psychologists have earned a 4 year undergraduate degree in psychology and have completed a postgraduate internship or postgraduate degree. Psychotherapists generally have an undergraduate degree in a health related field in addition to 3-4 years of specialist training in psychotherapy and a period of personal psychotherapy. In order to belong to a professional organisation such as the ACA or PACFA, counsellors and psychotherapists are required to have completed a certain level of AQF qualifications and/ or an approved training course as well as clinical and supervision hours. Social Workers registered with the AASW are required to have a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree in Social Work from an accredited institution.

What type of therapy is right for me?

The type of therapy best suited to a particular individual depends on several factors, including their primary reason for seeking therapy, their preferred timeline (some therapy types last for a set number of sessions, while others are open-ended), and their personality and preferences—some may prefer a more structured approach. For many individuals, multiple types of therapy could provide a good fit.

How much does therapy cost?

The cost of therapy depends on a number of variables, including location and the therapist’s experience and training. On average, the cost of a therapy session in Australia could be between $100 and $250. If you have private insurance, your plan may cover some if not all of your sessions. You should contact your insurance provider to determine if they provide coverage for therapy sessions and to determine what, if any, requirements they might have in order for your sessions to be covered, such as a referral from your GP or medical specialist.

What are more affordable or low cost therapy solutions?

Many therapists offer sliding scale payments, usually on a limited number of slots, which consists in an agreement between the therapist and a client to pay a reduced rate. Therapists who provide such arrangements often consider the client's income or ability to pay, but the extent of the discount is ultimately at the therapist's discretion. Furthermore, while group therapy may have different goals and benefits compared to individual therapy, it can be a more affordable solution to address certain types of issues.

If you are struggling to access therapy due to budget constraints, you could also consider public funded mental health services. The Better Access Scheme is a government program offering Medicare rebates for mental health care. To access the program you will need to be assessed and diagnosed by your GP and get a Mental Health Plan. This will allow you to receive up to 10 individual sessions and 10 group sessions a year with practitioners who accept bulk billing, with no out of pocket costs for you.

Is online therapy cheaper than in-person therapy?

Many therapists charge the same amount for online therapy as they do for in-person therapy—though clients may still find this cost-effective if it cuts down on their transportation costs. Health insurance plans often offer equivalent coverage for online and in-person therapy; indeed, in many places, they are legally required to do so. Text-based or on-demand therapy apps may be cheaper than traditional one-on-one psychotherapy; however, the practice may be less effective and is not likely to be covered by insurance.

Is online therapy a good option?

Therapy conducted online can be just as effective as in-person therapy, as long as there is a strong alliance between the client and the therapist. To find a therapist who provides telehealth services to clients in your area, click “Online Therapy” on the directory homepage and search by your city or town or your postcode.

Are therapy sessions confidential?

Therapists who are part of a professional organisation such as the ACA, PACFA, or the APS are bound by an ethical framework that requires them to uphold a confidentiality agreement. Confidentiality is a crucial part of the therapeutic relationship and only under specific circumstances, such as when there is the potential or known harm to the client or others or when a minor is in danger, will a therapist be obligated to break the agreement. These exceptions to the confidentiality agreement are usually discussed during the initial consultation.