Women Who Stray

Notes on the history and current practice of female infidelity

Why are therapists down on alternative sex?

I've seen multiple women and men who have shared that they have not told their doctors or therapists about their alternative sexual relationships, due to fear of condemnation, or due to the rejection they've already experienced when they were open about their marriages. Read More

Justifying hypersexual psychotics.

Divorce happens because one or both people have Depression/Bipolar disorder.

Your a very odd man.

Oddness

I disagree with the first point, but happily embrace the second. Cheers.
David

David...

If you haven't noticed, David responds to posts only by calling people depressed and bipolar. Keep up the good work. Interesting article.

Therapist's Guide to Polyamory

A couple of excellent papers for therapists have recently been updated and combined into this booklet: "What Psychology Professionals Should Know About Polyamory":

https://www.ncsfreedom.org/index.php?option=com_keyword&id=317

Print it out and give it to your shrink in advance, so you don't have to waste session time explaining the basics.

More on this problem:
http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2010/06/poly-aware-therapists-new-res...

OOPs

''you're''-correction

Confession

I think we should confess our oddness.

I have ADD-what do you have?

Your statements clearly aren't normal.

Sincerely,David

Normal

That other people hold opinions different from your own does not make them wrong, and it certainly doesn't indicate pathology.

Also, the only thing that's 'not normal' here is your concern with what's 'normal'.

Protecting normal emotional consciousness.

So you don't believe in Depression/Bipolar disorder?

That's a non sequitur.

That's a non sequitur.

My Spouse

As I have posted before my wife has chosen for us a Alternate Lifestyle when my health issues ended my active participation in most sexual acts. She just received her PHD in Clinical Psychology.

Nice points

Thanks, Dr. Ley, for your fun book on "hot wives." I gotta tell you, though, that title sucks. It's a "shocker" that doesn't quite convey the professionalism and depth with which you cover the topic. The title actually makes it harder to get other people to read it, or take it seriously.

I found your book interesting, thorough, and relevant and I found it quite helpful explaining some of the joy I get from having an open relationship with my wife.

For the record, I am one of those husbands who is thrilled when my wife takes another lover-whether I'm there, or she's off on her own. She is not the sex fiend that people might imagine. Nor, am I the debased man seeking humiliation. Rather, we are a healthy, happy, couple who occassionally sleep with other people. And, I happen to get a huge thrill out of my wife sleeping with other men-at least the few she's slept with off and on since we were married 10 years ago. When either of us is sexually active outside of our marriage, that activity spurs our own sexuality to new heights. And while our relationship might have issues from time to time, we have none of the issues or pathologies that are traditionally, and in our case erroneously, associated with open relationships.

Thank you for your efforts to "move the ball forward" on appropriate clinical consideration of open marriages. I wish you luck.

thanks for your lovely comment!

Wow - I'm just thrilled to hear people have read my book. It is a bit different, from most books covering such a salacious topic. My goal was to have the issue and practice taken seriously, and not just dismissed outright. I met some couples like yourselves and found them to be kind, healthy and thoughtful people, who enjoyed a surprising kink.

I wish you the best - and keep plugging my book!
cheers.
david

Thanks!

I'm thrilled to hear from readers. Glad you enjoyed it!

Almost 40 years in an open marriage

Submitted by Anonymous on August 5, 2010 - 1:17am.
Neither my husband nor I cheat on each other because since we've agreed to have an open marriage, with other sexual partners, there is no reason to lie or cheat. While some who choose open marriage enjoy sharing details of their sexual encounters with their partner, my husband and I are more comfortable not sharing the details of our sexual encounters. Out of respect for the integrity our relationship, we've agreed to inform any one whom we might have sex with, that we're married.
My husband and I will be celebrating our 40th year of being passionate, deeply loving soul mates living and raising two successful children in an open marriage. We totally trust each other. Marriage is a profound emotional and physical partnership wherein two people have an opportunity to be truly intimate to communicate fully and so learn to know another and to allow their whole selves to be known. A marriage should not be a prison. It should be a relationship wherein two free people love and trust each other and are committed to fostering each other's growth and expansion. It is a relationship which is flexible and capable of adapting and growing with the challenges life presents. And although I have seen a few marriages as successful as my own I have not seen even one where the husband and wife seem more in love or happier together then my love and I.

Good for you!

I'm thrilled to hear of any successful relationship that lasts 40 years. that is an incredible accomplishment, and testament to your love and mutual regard.

thanks!

alternatives to traditional sex

Let's face it, a normal sexual relationship is designed, by nature, to propagate the species, make more humans. Well, the world is overpopulated to the point that there are not enough resources to support it. Hence, starvation, disease, poverty, wars, genocide and a host of other maladies. By promoting alternative sexual practices, we can reduce these problems and allow our species to survive in peace and health on this planet for a better future. The time is now. Time is running out!

It's not only the therapists

It's not only the therapists who are judgemental. The looks and comments from our doctors when requesting the full range of STD testing (VERY unprofessional in my opinion) can drive one to look elsewhere for healthcare...if it doesn't discourage entirely.

One of the articles written by a therapist that I clicked on said something like "fidelity is the glue that holds a marriage together." I don't think so. How sad.

Trust, respect, compassion and open honest communication hold a marriage together in my opinion and that is what is required for any marriage to be successful...open or not.

The negative biases of therapists drive many people with open marriages who need advice to look for support groups online when potential problems arise, as I did 5 years ago when opening up my marriage. Gained some wonderful insight from these groups.

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David J. Ley, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and author of Insatiable Wives, Women Who Stray and The Men Who Love Them, available from Rowman & Littlefield Publishers.

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