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Great article!

I am going to recommend the article and the books to my clients.

Joe Kort, LMSW is a psychotherapist and author of several books on gay and lesbian identity and relationships. He keeps an updated website at www.joekort.com

narcissistic and borderline

Sounds like good advice.

There's a lot of overlap between narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder, so readers might also be interested in this PT article about getting over a borderline mother.

Narcissistic fathers?

How about narcissistic fathers? Any information on that?

You know, in looking at the criteria for a diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, one cannot help but think of George W. Bush.

yes...

... Or having a mother that cannot see through the window, no matter how much you clean it!

narsistic moms

i too grew up with a n.m...she abandoned me and my we are her caregivers...tryin to blame us for her condition...i just laugh in her face...i was always the rebel....i definately dont fall for her tricks...shes been gone for 40 odd years....dont eveb try that nars ,,,when i was 17.....now shes back still tryin to manipulate ...shes also got alz...iyou have to beat them at their own game///wish my sis would realize this...shes still letting moms call the shots...tried to make her see the light...mom isnt the boss...hasnt been since we were kids...my self esteem is strong...makes my mom mad....wow its bizzare////she can try all she wants...bottom line is she needs us ...we dont need her///i love and support my kids...no matter what..and vice versa...the cycle has been broken...THANK GOD...cause HES what really matters...not mom//

thank you for writing this comment

I just discovered in the past 24 hours that my mother is this to the "T". I've been going through all these emotions and seeing how confident and strong your words sound gives me hope. Seeing you having gotten over it and moving on with your life makes me think I can do that too someday.

Thank you.

Wow, I've been trying to

Wow, I've been trying to figure out the Christian approach to a narcissistic Mom. I am approaching 60 and have just realized why my family is SO DYSFUNCTIONAL! My mom and sister are narcissistic and I don't know quite how to deal with them. Mom is 81 now and is staying with me and 2 sisters. I have read a lot about severing relationships and contact and this really appeals to me in achieving peace in my life. But what is right when it comes to my Christian faith? What would Jesus do?

Wow, as a Christian woman

Wow, as a Christian woman with a narcissistic mother and possibly a sister, I have been wondering the same thing. If you have any insight, please share. Thanks!

Detach with ompasion, this is

Detach with ompasion, this is what I do and it works for me. Forgiveness is the key, then move on in peace. God Bless, love and light to you.

http://www.luke173ministries.

Jesus would follow the

Jesus would follow the instructions given by God the father. God is very clear on what we are to do about evil, especially evil within our families and church. Separate ourselves from it! He knows that evil is contagious and destroys everyone around it. We are not to support evil in any form. We are to run away from it. Spend time reading the bible about evil and you will see what you are to do. I separated myself from my mother a long time ago when I finally realized that she was indeed evil. Narcissism is evil, it is hell on earth. I would encourage you to get your mother and sister out of your life and start recovery.

Jesus would follow the

Jesus would follow the instructions given by God the father. God is very clear on what we are to do about evil, especially evil within our families and church. Separate ourselves from it! He knows that evil is contagious and destroys everyone around it. We are not to support evil in any form. We are to run away from it. Spend time reading the bible about evil and you will see what you are to do. I separated myself from my mother a long time ago when I finally realized that she was indeed evil. Narcissism is evil, it is hell on earth. I would encourage you to get your mother and sister out of your life and start recovery.

Hi Lisa, I completely agree

Hi Lisa,
I completely agree with you! You need to seperate yourself from these mothers. It is not a loveing thing to do to yourself to subject yourself to that abuse. xoxo Melissa

Hi Lisa, I completely agree

Hi Lisa,
I completely agree with you! You need to seperate yourself from these mothers. It is not a loveing thing to do to yourself to subject yourself to that abuse. xoxo Melissa

Will I Ever Be Good Enough

Hi Lisa, For years I tried to rid myself of the guilt of not having a loving relationship with my mother. I could never seem to quite understand what it was that she was doing or even be able to explain it to anyone. I am now FREE! I finally understand why our family is so dysfunctional. I will love my mom as she gave me life, but that is the end of it. I had to completely separate from her and this freedom has been life changing for me.

Helpful Book

Hello, I've read so many books on narcissism being in the same boat as you, although I stumbled across NPD quite a few years ago. As a Christian, I understand your concerns regarding honoring your parents. If you choose to maintain contact with your mother, the best "How To" instructional manual on the market as far as hands-on practical every day type guidelines for dealing with NPD is: The Complete Idiot's guide to: Coping With Difficult People. I just finished that book, and so wish I found it years ago. There are tons of books on narcissism. I've read most every one out there but, "Coping With Difficult People" has helped me most with "managing" narcissists, which of course makes my world a little better. A wonderful website with very informative, free blog material is: http://thenarcissistinyourlife.com. And a book that may help you establish boundaries without feeling guilty is: "Narcissistic Predicaments: A Biblical Guide To Navigating The Schemes, Snares, And No-Win Situations Unique To Abusive Families". The best recommendation I can give you is to learn as much about NPD as you can and treat yourself to therapy and a really good support system! You are not alone, and you are never to old to re-define yourself! Despite what the narcissists in your life think, you are worthy! Sending Soul Healing Vibes Your Way... God Bless, Cathy

Wow, I've been trying to

I also grew up with a narcissistic motherand younger sisters -where I was the family scapegoat. I had to separate myself (severed any relationship) in order to live in peace - with deep understanding that I am under Grace. I can't fix the problem and I can't change them... but I can change me...so I chose to remove myself, forgave them, giving room for God to do his stuff. Jesus didn't go back to look for those narcissistic self-righteous men in the temple early Sunday morning after he rose from the dead. Even though He died on the cross for their sins too. Jesus went looking for his friends. And so I look for my friends...those who make me want to grow and be more than what I was told as a child. However, I believe it is right to honor my parents, so I sent my mother gifts... I never missed her birthday, MOther's Day, Christmas, and other special events/occassions. Also,I gave her money for her daily needs - but I kept my distance. She died over a month ago at the age of 86. I'm 60 as well, and I have no regrets trusting God and His amazing grace! Take care of yourself - I am convinced that when God said to love him, love others as ourselves - loving ourselves correctely is imperative! Blessings!

Sins of the Fathers

My mum has hurt me terribly over the years, but do I have the right to call her evil. I remember her own mother hurting her terribly when I was a little girl, and it seems like she has been re-acting that role with me. I am very lucky as I began to love Jesus at 7 years old despite growing up with the most abusive parents in a horrible environment. Is it her fault if she is ill and didn't get lucky like me in accepting the love of God into her heart to heal this sickness?

Hi Sienna, I too turned to

Hi Sienna,
I too turned to God as a young child and believe that he is what helped me all of these years to deal with my mother. I believe that I chose to have him in my life and try to do things the way he would want me to. I also believe that my mom is evil and that what she has done and who she is , is a choice. She knows what she is doing and the pain that she has caused and does not care. One day she will also feel the pain that she has caused, and the ironic thing is that she will just be recieving back what she has given all of those years! No mercy! You girls are so awesome and don't forget! xoxo Melissa

Wow, I've been trying to

I too grew up with narcissistic mother and young sisters where I was the family scapegoat. I chose to remove myself to find peace with deep understanding that I am under grace. Jesus did not go look for his abusers and murderers, especially those self-righteous narcissistic church leaders after his resurrection. And He died for them too because He loved them. He went looking for his friends. I went to find friends - people who made me want to be more than what I was told as a child. I knew I can't change them and I can't fix the problem, but I can choose to make changes in my life. Although I kept my distance,I chose to honor my mother by sending her gifts for each occasion and money for her daily needs. My mother died at 86 just over a month ago and I can go to sleep at night with no regrets, trusting God. Take care of yourself... we are to remove ourselves from fools (PRov 14:7). My only regret is she didn't know the depth of God's love to find contentment in Him... but as a believer, I trust she's with God and learning to love... Blessings!

Narcssist mothers

I've been involved with a Christian woman now for nearly a year. It pains me to see how her mother veiws her not as a daughter, but a mere extention of herself, an object. The saddest part of this is her daughter has learned this behavior and is carrying over into our relationship. I belive the Bible calls this a generational curse. Because, this child of God, regards His wisdom as truth their lies an inner struggle against her mother's wisdom. This natuarly divids the thinking. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I love this woman but, this relationship has been challenged from the beginning. Maternal deprivation is so against God's natural law. It is a myth that Karen Carpenter died of anorexia. No, it was not the starvation of food that killed this woman, it was the starvation of her mother's love.

Wow, I've been trying to

I too grew up with narcissistic mother and young sisters where I was the family scapegoat. I chose to remove myself to find peace with deep understanding that I am under grace. Jesus did not go look for his abusers and murderers, especially those self-righteous narcissistic church leaders after his resurrection. And He died for them too because He loved them. He went looking for his friends. I went to find friends - people who made me want to be more than what I was told as a child. I knew I can't change them and I can't fix the problem, but I can choose to make changes in my life. Although I kept my distance,I chose to honor my mother by sending her gifts for each occasion and money for her daily needs. My mother died at 86 just over a month ago and I can go to sleep at night with no regrets, trusting God. Take care of yourself... we are to remove ourselves from fools (PRov 14:7). My only regret is she didn't know the depth of God's love to find contentment in Him... but as a believer, I trust she's with God and learning to love... Blessings!

Your narcissit mother

Hello,

There is hope! There is a way... I have just read the book Living successfully with Screwed Up People by Elizabeth B.Brown and has help me a lot to understand and what to do about it.

Good luck!

Narcissistic Mothers

Good day, this page l found on the web "Getting Over a Narcissistic Mother | Psychology Today" describes my mother exactly. Can anyone tell me how l can help (therapy) online? Please my mother had passed away 5 months ago,and l still l'm under her control. l'm tring to get on my life so if anyone can give me a suggestion, a website, anything, l'm open to all, l need to fix myself.
tx!! drenagr@yahoo.ca

Therapist

Find a good therapist in your local area. I prefer going to a man, but it's personal preference. Ask them beforehand if they have extensive clinical experience working with Personality Disordered individuals. This is a MUST. Have them explain their experience to your. Treat it like an interview. You don't want someone who just says she was "sick" and make excuses for her. You DO want someone who has the skills to help you!

You are so right about this

You are so right about this bit of advice. I had a therapist who made excuses for my mother. To make a long story short, it made things worse. You MUST interview your therapist. I failed to sod this. Make sure they understand what they are dealing with. It is your time to heal.

Narcissistic mother

The worst thing my mother did to me was not give me up for adoption when I was born. Fortunately, she did provide a nanny, as she didn't want anything to do with me, (she loved my brother, and now he's just like her!). I've been running away from her since I was twelve, married at 15 yrs. old to escape the abuse - -only to marry men like her, 6 times. The last one shot me when I told him I wanted a divorce; maiming me for life. I've given up on that. I'm 52 now, and she needed me in her old age, so I came to help her. The abuse over the last 5 yrs. has made up for the life-time I escaped. Your article, and therapy, have helped me make up my mind. I can't take it anymore. She's become paranoid, I tried to set limits and she "changed her locks so I won't steal her blind". I'm finally leaving, and am going to try to never look back. No forwarding address. This type of parent can hurt children in a profound way. Escape is the only answer.

narcissistic mothering

I'm 52 now & I now read about this disorder & I just cry..

I think I'm just psychologically screwed up although my mother could never love me.. even now... she just has near zero to do with me still treats me like I was not what she ordered from God.. (like ordering french fries..)

I did hug & tell my kids I loved them, even though I had several bouts of screaming at them, scaring them to death as they later told me in their adult lives

I don't have a close relationship with my daughter at all

But my mother does.. my mother turned me in to human services who phoned me & threatened me ... it all dropped... my mother come to me & said " I'm taking your daughter home with us & your son can go live with his dad ( he was an alcholic & not a caring parental figure at all).. mom just was wanting to hurt me so badly ( she DID)..
my mother told everyone she was like the daughter they never had... imagine how I felt

I am so sorry. My heart

I am so sorry. My heart breaks for you. YOu must feel so violated. My mother has also turned my older son against me. He was very angry teenager who basically told me at age 18 that he could not do whatever he wanted. I would not allow it and gave him choice to change or leave. He would not change. At any rate he went to his father(who had not spoken to or seen him in 3 years/living in next town) and the two had a field day teaging me down. Little did I know so did my mother. She enabled him completely and told him it was all my fault. Now I have not seen him or spoken to him in 2 years because I set up boundaries with my mother. She is spiteful, manupulative, extremely cruel.

narcissistic mothering

I'm 52 now & I now read about this disorder & I just cry..

I think I'm just psychologically screwed up although my mother could never love me.. even now... she just has near zero to do with me still treats me like I was not what she ordered from God.. (like ordering french fries..)

I did hug & tell my kids I loved them, even though I had several bouts of screaming at them, scaring them to death as they later told me in their adult lives

I don't have a close relationship with my daughter at all

But my mother does.. my mother turned me in to human services who phoned me & threatened me ... it all dropped... my mother come to me & said " I'm taking your daughter home with us & your son can go live with his dad ( he was an alcholic & not a caring parental figure at all).. mom just was wanting to hurt me so badly ( she DID)..
my mother told everyone she was like the daughter they never had... imagine how I felt

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Carlin Flora is a journalist in New York City. She was a member of PT's staff from 2004-2011, most recently as Features Editor.

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