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The phrase "There's a war on..." has been so overused by some sensationalist news coverage in recent years that I loathe to even go there in looking at an alarming new research finding. Yet, there is nothing else to call it. It's inescapable. Well, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the recent article finding a massive rise in suicide among middle-aged women. Read More















An Expert's View
I was ready to shut the computer and go to bed when I saw this headline and couldn't resist it...I'd like to consider myself an expert in this area, as I have had many girlfriends and also been friends with many male relatives and friends of friends etc. and they all choose to confide in me much like a therapist, and I love the topic that you have raised, and have been researching it like a hobby for a long time now...let's write a book together, what do you say doc? :)
Sincerely,
Rose
I think this article is on
I think this article is on point for seeing a trend in the despairing tone that men and women both seem to exude about "love" anymore. As a 34yr old woman, living with a 34yr old boyfriend, and certainly wondering about the what or if there is a future to it, I also know that I'm not alone in my specific situation or demographic. More and more I see with peers and colleagues an even greater reluctance to engage and invest deeply with others. I think it's just an end result of a culture moving too quickly to accomodate the realities of true closeness in both a physical and psychic capacity. I won't go so far as to say that technology is the root of all alienation, but (as I've seen in other articles posted here) there is a problem created when one gets to see all the fish in the sea before deciding which one to actually to catch. The "visual" abundance of potential mates through technology devalues the experience of actually loving the one you're with. It's too much candy shop for hard wired humans to rise above...yet. One can still hold out hope:) Or become a statistic. jk.
best,
heather
Maybe we are all wrong
Maybe, instead of focusing on the feelings and emotions within ourselves. We should take a look at the other people. Is the rise of divorce rates and general singleness just a sign of selfishness? I do believe that this war is killing us and our country. We need to truly love each other more than ourselves.
Lets move back to the old days where 'love' had little to do with marriage, and the commitment was based on a mutual understanding between families. Where both families would lose if there was a divorce. Arranged marriages might be a step too far, but the last I heard only 1 in 25 of those ended in divorce.
I don't think the answer is
I don't think the answer is to go back in time..that is futile. But what we can do is look within our selves for our happiness, (www.womenshappiness.com) and that then extends to others. Of course, we also need compassion and understanding of the other gender...and really want to see their point of view, it's good for the individual and also for the couple. I mean, relationships are central to women... and lack of a good solid relationship HAS to have an effect on her over all mental health. It would be nice to be able to go back to simpler times, like arranged marriages, but our society today would not put up with that, it's wishful thinking.
what IS the answer
Thats to clappy HAPPY I feel women can be way too compassionate towards men IS what happened to me in my last relation with a depressed nutcase Two years later he cropped up again and instead of repairing my internet he tortured me one nihjt januart this year
Believe me neither the court nor my environment ; almost NO ONE was particularly compassionate towards ME
NOPE
Women be v CAREFUL of men !
As a divorced parent, laid
As a divorced parent, laid off of work, it is extremely stressful especially when my ex forgoes ALL and ANY responsibility and it does ALL fall on me. I am NOT surpised at the rise in suicides in women. There does come a point when we do need just someone to be there for us. It does not mean that we are weak or cannot do it on our own, but having someone believe in you can make a world of difference. Yet, it is EXPECTED as a "mother" to just take care of everything and it is ACCEPTED from the "father" when they do nothing.
Divorced parent
Am a divorced parent too, and i agree with you saying that at times we need a shoulder to cry on, and support, however strong we are. I have done a lot of soul searching after the failed marriage, and as Dr Paul puts it, i lacked observing ego, i was in denial, i saw things and didnt want them to be true. So somehow i believe as women we are rensponsible for the current crisis* too. I say we stop letting the nice guys ask where the good women are, while we are busy trying to change the bad boys...
YOU are RIGHT
Actually the article was so right also
Its very depressing this trend and confirms my own observations
As a now 50 year old woman i have mre of a chance to be run over
...well you can all complete THAT for me
Men can also easily buy sex everywhere
WXomen can neither have sex without talking a few risks nor buy it and the AFFECTION that was mentioned is pretty unevenly distributed
WOMEN give it to men MEN receive it WOMEN get Zilch from neither MEN or WOMEN
And its always amazing for me how most men immediately feck up by more or less asking straight forwardly (even if they don t put it into those exact words) for sex
I can t ever really imagine that so many women really DO give it
seeing that WOMAN is at the same time considered to be a SLUT even she is EASY
I think they just try and if it doesn t work they buy a PORN flick and wank off until the next (sexual) rejection cause they are scared of real women and reality and relationships anyway and simply put CAN T BE ARSED really
On top of that most men are neither pretty outside nor inside
Its enough to consider suicide a good realtionship move....
That's divorce
In our current society, fatherhood have been defined in terms of only monetary support. After a divorce, a man owes NOTHING to his ex wife. He owes support to HIS CHILDREN, but often, even access to these children is denied him, or used as a bargaining chip by the ex wife.
When men are evicted from the family, you shouldn't be surprised that they stay away.
money, the media
First of all, your article seemed to imply that women aren't doing enough to make men happy in marriage, and women aren't valuing marriage and childbearing enough. That came across as sexist. It remains that men are more likely to cheat, to be the perpetrators of violence and to abuse drugs and alcohol. Sorry, but the majority of divorces are caused by male behavior. That probably isn't going to change, ever.
I am 44 and my generation is having, overall, a lower standard of living than my parents had in their 40s. I also see many women who blithely assume that their non-marital relationship with a man is just as good as marriage. These women don't think about legal and financial issues that come up in a divorce. I believe that generations ago, although divorce rates were lower, people were more aware of the devastating consequences of divorce, especially on women. Now there seems to be an attitude that divorce isn't a big deal, combined with a denial on the part of women resulting in a belief that just because a man doesn't want to marry you doesn't mean he doesn't want a commitment. Actually it does mean that he is ambivalent about commitment.
The financial pressures that I referenced earlier mean more women are resorting to various unofficial types of prostitution. I see this a lot in women in their 40s. They find a man who gives them money in return for sex but convince themselves he's their "boyfriend." Meanwhile he is sleeping with whoever else he pleases. These women put themselves in a degrading position and meanwhile, the man gets a "relationship" on his terms, without marriage or commitment of any kind. No wonder the lack of marriage no longer has so great an effect on men. They are able to get companionship and sex without it, and without any responsibilities as long as they have a little extra cash.
Anne's got a gun that doesn't fire!
I dislike getting this confrontational, but your take on this article must be skewed by your own personal beliefs about men.
First off, Dr Paul didn't say this war on love was about marriage or troubles in marriage. I believe it's the rise of women devoting much more time to careers and less time on relationships, both sexes are to blame for that.
The article was stating that there is a deficit in proper courtship and dating techniques or "training" which was causing a rise in single, middle-aged women leading to eventual depression and higher suicide rates among that group.
Dr P stated an overall disconnect in society in determining a quality mate for attraction and compatibility for the long term (instead of only sexual chemistry).
"Sorry, but the majority of divorces are caused by male behavior." As a man, I find that offensive and it's ridiculously sexist and inaccurate. In addiction, there's something called an "enabler". Many women, not all, are enabling their men in relationships by not understanding how men operate, and why they do. Perhaps men are the ones that are action orientated and try to get out of their misery.
If it's the case that men are the "evil" ones, why would men even consider settling down with one woman in the first place? Those women obviously did something right for their man initially. Afterward, both sexes just couldn't keep it going because of their inability to understand gender instinct in their relationship.
Perhaps, one possible variable is a woman's inability to empathize with the feelings of her man from HIS POINT OF VIEW. Relating to men NOT the way men see their world and relationship, but as she is perceiving it. Men and women are both to blame. But men and women are fundamentally equal but very different.
Hence, the "war on love" is really about the ignorance that's associated with the unique core drives of each sex. We can see from the increase in US middle-aged women suicide rates, that it's taking a toll on one of the sexes.
So let's all fight this epidemic by gaining knowledge and taking action!
oh come on, even if men are
oh come on, even if men are the perpetrators and women are the victims it still holds true that BOTH have some work to do. It's not a simple issue, but the bottom line is that both of the sexes need to come together here, and find a solution.
Your bitching doesn't help anyone.
stereotype
Anne, u have great points, but i feel that the way you put them across makes you get misunderstood. Am a woman and i tell you this i have met both good and bad men, good and not so good women, so why dont we stop the generalization, and treat each case differently. Experience has taught me that such an attitude will most likely lead to self-fulfilling profecies, where you believe all men are this and that, and so you end up meeting or dating the men that fulfil your criteria for men, leaving all the good guys out there.
Outdated ideology alert.
Anne, the second you used the word "sexist" in your response, I and a can bet well on most men reading your post stopped right at that one word. It's a shame, because I bet you have some valid points worth considering.
If you're looking for some root causes in the current difficulties in the social, professional, and dating arenas, the persistence of paleo-feminist ideology well past it's sell-by date is one of the reasons.
Accusations of "sexism" (not to mention racism, homophobia, etc, any word ending in "-ist" or "-ism") have been used and abused so many times, they're causing two things right now: 1) backlash (and it's building, trust me), 2) undermines credibility. They've been used as magic "time-out" cards for so many years now to kill argument, debate or as excuses, that most of us once open minded to these kinds of discussions have become jaded. Simply put, we don't trust HRO, Equal Opportunity, or anything related to those ideas because they've been abused so many times.
We're tired of being made to feel guilty, and we're tired of double-standards.
Quite frankly, we've all been forced to swallow MEO and "diversity" training so many times, which serves to heighten resentment more than anything else, that whenever those "magic words" appear, men and many women too, tend to roll their eyes and tune out.
Over the edge
Statistically divorce is initiated more by women, and often (from what I've read) the husband is clueless or just too uninvolved to understand why or what was wrong. As a 50 year old female in long term marriage that is anything but fulfilling, I can say that I can truly understand the desire to run away or end it all. After 20+ years of being the major breadwinner, managing everything to do with home/social life, and accomodating my spouse's every desire, I am at the burn out stage. Yes I do feel responsible for not recognizing and addressing many of the issues that have, over time, sabotaged my happiness. However, I see too many inattentive husbands who think they don't have to work at their relationships and their part in the marriage. Women are raised to be givers and caretakers but even if they also make time for themselves it's not a substitute for being loved and romanced.
I don't know if it's the lightning busy age we live in, but I see a lack of true connection being made on a personal level in both friendships and romantic relationships where people feel given the time and repsonsiveness to actually open up and share themselves. I think once that goes missing, any other issues just push women over the edge.
Very well put Fran
Very well put Fran
Hope in role-modeling
This is a very sad finding..
We definitely have not yet regained our footing following a massive shift of balance following the women's liberation/feminist movement. Both sexes being nearly equal in ability to provide for a family and obtain power and social status has eroded men's main tool for gaining appreciation and differentiating themselves from women.
In addition we've had zero good public role-modeling in recent years. Men's role models are those who are in power. Most recently we've had a man with zero emotional intelligence and Clinton who had to ruin it with his infidelity (not to mention countless other men in power being routinely caught in scandel).
Women no doubt look to the most beautiful of our society for thier role-modeling. That's scary. I can't tell you how many Hollywood starlet vaginas I saw photographs of last year. There's been a grotesque loosening of morals in young women so it's not surprising that men aren't seeming to want to commit (especially since they're "not appreciated" anyway). Young women are shooting themselves in the foot, and they have no idea....
I would love nothing more than to force psychology/sociology education upon the young. It makes sense. I have no idea why it doesn't seem to exist.
On the bright side... I was absolutely floored watching the Barbara Walters interview of the Obamas the other night. I think they're going to be a wonderful family for our society to want to emulate. They're certainly the "first family" I've ever wanted to live next door to. Even Britney Spears seems to be keeping her underwear on these days. I think things are looking up.
viva la courtship!
Living in Chicago, I am right in the middle of the hook up culture that we've seen so often in TV shows like Sex and the City. Often when I am out trying to talk to somebody at a party, or a bar or restaurant, they are constantly texting somebody to try to arrange a booty call. Although it's fun to enjoy freedom from time-to-time...especially after a rocky relationship or other life transition, all of this freedom doesn't seem to be making people any happier overall. Sometimes customs from the past make a lot of sense. One of those is courtship. So I am with Dr. Paul in his call to revive the dying social custom of courtship! Courtship is not just an antiquated relic from the past. Courtship is essential forming a lasting, sexy, loving, intimate, caring, trustful bond...a true romantic relationship with another person. This is what all women (and men) really want. Without courtship, relationships suffer in the long run. And the decline of courtship has contributed to this alarming rise in suicides among middle-aged women.
The death of courtship
As a single 30 year old woman, with a wonderful career and a great network of friends and family I find myself in the middle of this exact "war". I think Dr Paul has hit the nail on the head that effort is simply not put into the relationship side of life anymore. It's commonly accepted that to be fabulous in your career you need to work hard, have definite goals, a plan and be willing to roll up your sleeves and give it a really good go. No-one truly believes it should be handed to you on a silver platter. So why should it be different for any other aspect of a fulfilling life??
While a great "people person" I find it very foreign to genuinely connect with people on an intimate level, and perhaps it's me or perhaps it is conditioning but 'romance' seems to have become the oddity and kind of corny. Yet I greatly desire for someone to be brave enough to really make a go of that old thing called 'courtship'. The offer to 'hang out' simply doesn't do it for me.
I find it offensive to blame either men or women for this, as clearly both genders have come to misunderstand what is needed to truly court one another and form a solid, committed bond. Thanks Dr Paul for doing your utmost to close this gap!
Love Is a Battlefield
We have a fundamental shift happening in our US society right now. We are being taught pervasively to place LOW value on feeling, caring, interdependence. We are being taught pervasively to place HIGH value on reckless, uncaring, individuality. The War on Love is just one of the logical conclusions to this path our country has chosen. Our other "wars" are also logical conclusions to this path our country has chosen.
We don't have to always be right. We don't have to always be in charge. We don't have to always be materialistic and status-conscious. We don't have to be so ME, ME, ME. We need to be in tune with what others are feeling. We need compassion.
Someone has said that just 5% more humility would cure 95% of the worlds problems.Does anyone else see the value in this? Or, shall we continue in our warrior ways?
Our country chewed up and spit out the peace, love, and good vibes of the hippie generation, and replaced it with "Love Is a Battlefield". Our entire country, collectively and individually, desperately needs to reexamine it's values in every area. We cannot change one area independently of the others. We need more love and understanding and caring in every area.
Thanks, Don
You couldn't be more correct on all accounts.
Women in midlife
Being a 47 year old divorced female put me at the intersection of the success of the men's rights groups in custody court, and yet without any financial benefit of the women's liberation movement. This intersection, in my own experience at least, meant a loss of custody of the children that are supposed to prevent suicide, because I was without the financial means to match my ex's lawyer. It also dumped me back into the single pool, no longer young, and not willing to play the game with either pre- or post-, men or women's rights, rules. Add to this a move to finish a degree to a state with a higher than average level of alcoholism and codependency patterns running through the local homeboys. No wonder I am concentrating on my career. I have no idea how to fix this, at least not in time for my golden years.
Now you know what it's like
Now you know what it's like to be a divorced man - deprived of your children and financially raped, in other words.
Welcome to the feminist utopia. Enjoy.
There is Hope
I'm starting with myself. There's no lack of love. It's not something that just runs out. Every moment of everyday we each have the opportunity to be compassionate and loving...selfless...Think about it. When driving. Respect the speed limits. Allow that car to move in front of you. Make eye contact with strangers...SMILE....SMILE for Goodness sake. Say hello! Say please. Say thank you. Say you are welcome. Even at your very worse, the bottom of the pit...don't despair...find that smile and give it. give it again and again and YES again. You will find those that are awake and will acknowledge you and return the gift. The best part is when you realize you are giving it naturally, unconditionally with no expectations of reciprocation.
Generosity, kindness, compassion...LOVE. Each and everyone of us have it within us....the more we give and less we hoard we will find all of that will come back to us and more!
Much love!~
Lorri
Right back at you, Lorri :)
You're right. It starts with us, all of us, right now. I think we all know the kind of world we want to live in, and it's about having the courage to let that change start within ourselves, being the change we wish to see in the world. Gandhi knew what he was talking about. <3
To LG who commented above.
To LG who commented above. Thank you for your inspirational words. I do believe the crux of what Dr. Paul is conveying in his article has to do with the lost "Art of Courtship with a capital C". Courtship is one of the most important processes in human develpment in the romantic worlds between men and women regardless of what era we are living in.
I do notice all the love around me, because I make the choice to do so and I appreciate being surrounded by it. Simotaniously (sad but true) there is the problem of the suicide rates among both men and women and yes I do agree that it does exsist in the minds of women that men do not seem to want to committe to them or vise versa. I recently was approached by a charming, handsome, world travelar and well educated man within my age range mid 40's. Our first conversation was a warm exchange of thoughtful insights into each others worlds. However when he officially called me for a date; he presented himself like he had just caught the ball and started running with it, suggesting that he wanted to come over and visit with me. I felt disapointed and gently stated that I did not feel confortable and suggested if we could we meet in public and get to know each other, after all I do not know him. I could feel that he was slightly caught off guard and laughed nervesously stating "Okay we can meet at the cafe". We met and spoke for about an hour. The next day he called wanting to come over again with a bottle of wine, to which I stated to him: "I am surprised that you called me after our conversation, I felt that you communicated to me very clearly that you were going back to your country within a couple of years and seek a women for marriage of which I wished you the best of happiness? Of which he stated; "That is my long term plan". And I responded; "My long term plan starts now, please do not call me again". I am glad to say that he has respected my request.
Even though this has happen to me on a couple of occasions, (maybe it is a test to my own committment to my self to stay true to myself in what I want in a relationship) I continue to experience the love that I see and feel all around me when I see couples that are truely in love and committed to each other. Iris
I do think that Dr Paul is
I do think that Dr Paul is right about many things. Being a 46-year-old woman back on the dating scene is definitely NOT EASY. I have noticed some big changes in how things are done from when I was a teen or young twenties. I don't think this is the fault of either gender, nor of both. I do think that people have really given up their power by believing everything the advertising, media, and entertainment industries throw at them.
As a woman, I am particularily offended by the stupid-man stereotype that is being portrayed. I am equally offended by the severe criticisms of women's looks. There seems to be no variance allowed for taste anymore. One clone after another. If women believe the stupid-man stereotype, they think everything he does is wrong. NOT TRUE. I especially see this in younger women who have been bombarded with this nonsense. A lot of younger women are downright degrading to their men, constantly yelling at him, ordering him around, and being very nasty. Is it any wonder men think they cannot win? Why do men buy into this stereotype? I couldn't tell you.
As for men, why do you buy into the media's idea of attractiveness? Do you not realize that it is designed to sell products (clothes, makeup, haircare, waxing, diets, exercise programs, books, and on and on) by degrading a woman's self-esteem? If you add to this by thinking the only acceptable woman for you is the hollywood-type, is it any wonder women want nothing to do with you?
I would love to see people not only expressing their individuality, but throughly embracing it. It is hard to not be accepted, but do you want to be accepted under these constraints? NOT ME. I prefer to be as feminine as possible and really appreciate a man for being male. It doesn't mean we aren't equal. It means that we each contribute something unique and special to make a better whole.
I think appreciation of eachother and being strong enough to resist the media are whats needed to help this problem along with courtship.
Sandy Said: "A lot of
Sandy Said:
"A lot of younger women are downright degrading to their men, constantly yelling at him, ordering him around, and being very nasty. Is it any wonder men think they cannot win?"
Yes. Many men get this kind of treatment, and eventually learn to give these women what they ask for: the man's absence.
I'm a fool? I laugh at stupid things? I'm insensitive? I'm vulgar? After a man hears enough of this, he will think to himself "I get it, honey. Go your own way; I'll leave you be."
Years later, while his male friends are being raped by the Family Courts, he is grateful to have been single for those years.
Taking Action
I am deeply grateful to Dr. Paul for bringing this
problem to our attention. Statistics on a problem,
does not need to be a trend. What is critical is
that we become aware of it. Once we become consciously aware, we can take action and use it
to make a change. Thanks too for your books and
videos on courtship in today's age. Your information makes it much easier for each of us can do our part, right where we are, one moment at a time. Together,
these actions make a difference.
Denying our Evolutionary roles
I cannot help thinking that if humans deny the drives and urges which have evolved during the evolution of our species, then there will be consequences.
If indeed we do have a sex drive then it surely has a reason for being there. And so too if we have a commitment function then there is also a reason why it evolved. Of course the reasons are obvious. What if these urges are not satisfied though, instead they are projected onto other objects and such. Then it is easy to assume that the humans that do not find a healthy way to satisfy these urges may well lead to unnatural consequences, and unsatisfied lives.
Relationships, mating and courtship is so absolutely core to the perpetuation of any species, is has to be, if this importance is not realized then the species will surely suffer.
It seems a great shame that many women and men are placing far too great an importance on their Jobs and completely neglecting to satisfy the equally or more important drive for humans to mate. What is survival for if not to survive long enough to mate?
If people deny this drive to mate they may find that there is something missing.
It is curious that there is not a big enough emphasis or study into the importance of dating. This is almost defiantly because of the rampant Christianity and religion which has plagued America and other countries, systems of living which has urged many people to feel unnatural guilt and shame of the idea of dating. If people can shake off these shackles of ridiculous religious ideas then maybe people will be more open about the importance of dating, and will feel no shame about this most natural of human urges. We have evolved ways for sexual selection and this fact deserves much more respect and study than it currently gets, the blame has to fall on the shoulders of religion.
The urge to see many different people is necessary if one is to find that one which makes one feel complete, whole, trusting and enough so that you feel happy to bring new lives into the world. A partner who will also inspire one to try harder to work to support the family. A partner who one feels close to, one wants to have fun with, one wants to ensure the safety of. These values and wants are surely completely natural and if they are satisfied one would never want to cause themselves self harm, and one would be able to live their life and at the end of it be able to face death knowing that they have been true to themselves, to their life as a human on this earth.
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