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Why are there virtually no polyandrous societies?

A comprehensive survey of traditional societies in the world shows that 83.39% of them practice polygyny, 16.14% practice monogamy, and .47% practice polyandry. Almost all of the few polyandrous societies practice what anthropologists call fraternal polyandry, where a group of brothers share a wife. Nonfraternal polyandry, where a group of unrelated men share a wife, is virtually nonexistent in human society. Why is nonfraternal polyandry so rare? Read More

Very clever; carefully

Very clever; carefully phrased and well-done! Keep it up!

your fascination with female

your fascination with female s-e-x-capades fascinates me!

Well, virtually everyone is

Well, virtually everyone is interested in sex; after all, the interest is adaptive. Why not give the people what they want, as long as the info is sound?

Polyandrous societies aren't common in the animal world either

Polyandrous societies aren't common in the animal world either because it is not in a male animal's interest to raise another male competitors offspring. For example, I once viewed a documentary on lions. In the lion's world there is a dominant male lion with a pride of female lions. When the dominant male lion is challenged by a stronger opposing male lion, they will fight for dominance over the females. If the challenger wins the fight, the original male has to relinquish his females to the winner. The first thing the new male does is to kill all of the offspring of the previous dominant male. The female lions come into heat after their offspring are killed because they no longer have lion cubs to nurse. The new male then mates with the females in his pride, ensuring the survival of his genes. Also, when the male cubs become sexually mature, they are chased out of the group so they cannot compete with their father for the ability to mate with the females in the pride. I believe the female cubs when sexually mature stay with the pride, so there is probably (incest) or inbreeding. The males who are forced to leave have to fend for themselves and their only possiblity of passing their genes on are if they challenge another male with a pride of females. Although some female lions may live in solitude and may present an opportunity to mate with solitary males. I also believe this to be true of wild horses and probably other groups of animals such as mountain gorillas but I haven't studied it fully so I am not certain. The point is that you don't see multiple male lions living with multiple female lions or multiple male gorillas living with multiple female gorillas. Other primates such as baboons seem to mate indiscriminately but since I am not an animal behaviorist I do not know the answers for certain. Also animals living together in groups are usually related so that may have something to do with the baboon situation.

Society's

I have been in a long term relationship with a wonderful woman. We communicate openly and honestly. We have discussed polyandry extensively. Perhaps I might share some of my thoughts on the subject.

Some men can start to feel low self esteem, assuming they are natural "givers", due to work committments and demands on them generally, resulting in a sense that they have not been able to address and provide for their female partner. If you combine this with a sexual prefernece for group sexual pleasure, and some females high libido, then you can have a prefernece for a polyandry lifestyle.

Finding another male, not fraternal, to share such a life style is another matter. There are few if any polyandry groups or sites and therefore making contact is near impossible.

Having been raised as a Christian (not practising) I feel I have a high sense of ethics and morals, however some migt describe my preference for a polyandry relationship as unacceptable. That might be so in their eyes, but is not love, consideration, honesty and caring, the best of human nature. Why shoudl people judge therefore? If consenting adults practise multi partner relationships of any kind, who are we to argue with them?

Let us accept and respect the individual.

Gary

polyandry

Hi Gary! I read your post and just have to ask....You said that you and your wife have discussed polyandry extensively....does this mean that you are considering such a relationship?

I have many thoughts on the subject but will keep it light for now.
I completely agree with you. I, was raised in a Baptist church and we still attend when we can and pray daily. Our children are raised to love their creator and to practice as they feel is right as they learn more daily. We however, also feel that our purpose on this earth is to love each other, be understanding, be patient, forgiving and to work hard, play hard and do the best we can. We don't feel that you have to be in strictly a male-female relationship to that. Polyandry is practiced much more than people realize. It is usally just referred to as "my husband and my roomate". And I think that its sad that it has to be that way. People should be able to do whatever it is that works for them, realtionship wise.
Looking forward to your comments. :)

To elaborate on this well

To elaborate on this well written article above here is another in hopes to promote this lifestyle into the norm....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F07E5DE1739F93BA25750C0A...

it is written by an extremely notable writer for the New York Times, WILLIAM SAFIRE, who actually won some sort of award, which was presented by the current president.

I love what he has to say. He is totally against this on the vic-versa.. meaning against men having many wives... he has valid points as to why in the article URL I posted here and others he has written of it.

"it is never in the existing

"it is never in the existing wife’s material interest for her husband to acquire another wife. Every senior wife who is already married to the man suffers from the addition of each new wife to the household, because each additional wife takes away the husband’s resources, otherwise available to her and her children. "

While this is true it can be qualified somewhat Agriculture, female self-reliance, and non-tropical environments

Why Not?

I'm not sure why polyandry isn't at least as common as polygamy. Men sharing a wife makes a lot more sense to me than polygamy. For many reasons, really. Sex, birth control, finances, time and well, all around balance.

I'll address sex first thing. I find it very interesting that polygamy is so much more popular than polyandry considering the physical make-up of men and women. Though I'm sure there are men out there who can have at it several times in a 24 hour period of time, I hardly doubt they could do so on a very regular basis. Anyone ever hear a man tell the joke, "Thereesome? I just don't get it. Why would I want to disappoint TWO women?" lol. And even if those men do exist, I'm certain they are the exception rather than the rule. However, when it comes to sex, women are like energizer bunnies. They can keep going and going and.

As for birth control issues, well, let me just say that one man, three or more wives and a dozen children seems quite off balance to me. However, one woman can only become pregnant so many times, no matter how many men she's sexually involved with. Built in birth control.

Let's face it, we live in a world where it's a challenge to make ends meet without the benefit of two incomes. While I absolutely believe in a woman's right to choose to work outside the home, I believe many women these days don't feel they have any choice but to work in order to draw needed income for their family. That might mean more money, but it means less time for family when two parents are busy at work. Having more than one husband (which means more than one income) could allow more women the option of staying at home with their children.

And a bit on the same note, when men do have a career/profession, often times it demands a lot of time and energy in order to keep it up. I believe many men want the benefits of a full time wife, but only have the time and energy to be a part time husband. Put a couple of part time husbands together with a full time wife and, voila, balance.

Of course, polyandry isn't everyone's idea of wonderful. Like any lovestyle, it's a matter of personal choice. I highly doubt polyandry will become mainstream any time soon, but I'd love to at least see it as an accepted option.

Who am I? A very happily married (16+ years) polyamerous mother of three children with the most wonderful husband in the whole wide world. He not only accepts sharing me, he loves it. I was involved with another man for five years (yep at the same time) who, for all practical purposes was like another husband to me and another father to our children. He lived daily life with us, went on vacations, was a part of our entire family. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to fully embrace the idea of sharing, so we parted and he is soon to be married. I'm thrilled for them both. He is still a part of our family, just not as intimately as before.

I look forward to the possibility of welcoming another husband into our lives. A friend to my husband, a positive role model to our children, another person to love and be loved by us all.

Nope, it's not traditional, but like any kind of relationship, it can work very well with the right combination of people.

Cheers.

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