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Does Jodi Arias Have Borderline Personality Disorder?

Armchair shrinks and casual observers alike are diagnosing Jodi Arias with Borderline Personality Disorder. Are they right? Read More

I don't really care about Ms.Arias, but I am enjoy the public's obsession with her

My mother has Borderline Personality Disorder, and my sister is a narcissist. I grew up in a home where there was no honesty, family members treated each other poorly, and life was scary on a daily basis.

But most people don't live that way. Most people live normal lives, with normal people and there is a modicum of civility to people's behavior.

Ms. Arias is operating in the same arena as my mother and sister. Her behavior doesn't seem odd to me, I'm not surprised at her behavior, her lying and her twisted view of herself and the world.

I'm enjoying the world's shock that this sweet-looking librarian lady is obviously lying through her teeth, making the story up as she goes along and believes that there is absolutely nothing wrong with her behavior. I'm not shocked at all, this is the way I grew up where nothing made sense.

I don't know whether Ms.Arias has BPD and I don't really care. The rest of America needs to understand this type of dysfunction exists, it isn't that unusual.

arias case

You are so right. I spent 12 years married to a narsisstic borderline type. Had two children with her. The marriage was a war zone. These types invent their own reality as they go. There is no point trying to argue with them. They are great in court, judges don't understand what liars they are. If one is dealing with a female borderline and you have a female judge have a better chance for justice. If arias gets away with it, it will be some dumb male juror who falls for her pack of lies.

You are so right!

Unfortunately the "Therapeutic Community" is utterly unaware of this! They are more likely to side with the sociopath! I suggest reading the "Walking on Eggshells series" By Randi Krieger, and "Understanding the Borderline Mother" by Anderson. There are also support groups such as out of the Fog! The public does need to be Educated on this! So does the therapeutic Community. My NPD sisters and Mother were able to Hoodwink psychiatrists, They are currently getting ADHD drugs! They claim they have ADHD, it is like meth for them, It has made their behavior more extreme, yet the Prescribing Shrink, never picked up on it! One would thing they might, especially since these are controlled substances, it only shows how ignorant they are about these Personality Disorders.

YOU ARE SO RIGHT

Unfortunately, I have family members with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) like Jodi, so I am TOO familiar with this disorder. People with BPD lie period. It is truly scary and confusing. They will actually accuse you of doing what they themselves have actually done through their use of projection. Does that make sense? For example, the last time I saw my BP sis she was beating her husband (as is common w/BPD and as she has done w/nearly every man she has been with). I entered the kitchen when she kicked me in the stomach, knocking me flat on my back with the wind out of me (as she has done before) and then attempted to continue beating me even after I was incapacitated. She then told all family and friends that I had attacked her and that she was the victim (no mention of the fight w/her husband or his beating either). Even after a cousin who witnessed the event contradicted her story, she claimed that IF she beat her husband then it was my fault. Are you catching on yet? The "abuse" and everything that Jodi is claiming about Travis is most likely what she in fact did to him or she is just lying. You are probably a rational person, so this hopefully doesn't make sense to you. I have been in BPD support groups and we all have such similar experience with the BPD's. My BPD sis is much like Jodi ("bunny boiler" ala Fatal Attraction) regarding her psychotic violent behavior. My BPD sis had a psychotic episode when she was fired as a chef on a yacht. She became paranoid and delusional believing that everyone on the boat was "out to get her." She was planning on poisoning everyone on the boat as she believed that they all deserved to be punished and that she had the right to do so. I stayed on the phone with her for hours to talk her out of it and calm her down.

Sounds Tough

It sounds like you have experience with borderlines, and it sounds extremely tough and frustrating. I just wanted to validate that I understand dealing with people with BPD is exhausting.

However, not all Borderlines have issues with dishonesty. BPD is also characterized by intense emotions and BPD usually stems from an abusive past. I just wanted to clarify that, because the stigma against them is overwhelming.

That said, it is clear your sister has very serious issues with dishonesty, manipulation, and paranoia. That must be very difficult.

Bpd caused by genes + environment

"However, not all Borderlines have issues with dishonesty. BPD is also characterized by intense emotions and BPD usually stems from an abusive past. I just wanted to clarify that, because the stigma against them is overwhelming."

The current most accepted view of the etiology of borderline pd is that it occurs due to a combination of predisposing genes plus a perceived invalidating environment.

A person born heavily loaded with many predisposing genetic traits for BPD (such as ultra-high vulnerability to stress, inability to self-soothe, etc.) will develop BPD even in a normal or average home environment (mild to moderate, infrequent stress) with non-abusive, caring, empathetic, relatively mentally healthy parents.

For a person born with few if any predisposing traits, who has high resilience (as one of those traits) it will take a massive, intense, frequent amount of severe abuse to emotionally damage that individual, and that individual is more likely to develop some other disorder like depression, or anxiety, or PTSD instead of borderline pd.

The traits and behaviors of those with high-functioning borderline pd overlap considerably with psychopathy (which is a combination of narcissistic pd plus antisocial pd) so its more likely for someone with hfbpd to engage in manipulative behaviors, lying, and deceitfulness, and engage in other-harming behaviors like murder, as Jodi Arias has demonstrated.

I think most people do have a great deal of compassion and empathy for those with bpd who are low-functioning, mostly self-destructive and engage in self-harming and suicidal behaviors.

Its the high-functioning bpd individuals like Jodi Arias who are mostly other-harming and Machiavellian in nature who create any stigma that may exist regarding bpd.

I think the solution is to break up this large and unwieldy diagnostic category into more specific and discrete sub-categories, such as, for example, "self-harming bpd" and "other-harming bpd."

You are so wrong

''I'm enjoying the world's shock that this sweet-looking librarian lady is obviously lying through her teeth, making the story up as she goes along and believes that there is absolutely nothing wrong with her behavior. I'm not shocked at all, this is the way I grew up where nothing made sense.''

Obviously lying through her teeth? Oh yes... Really? I am interested to know how you come to this conclusion. Because of Your family you feel entitled to say this, I suppose?

I'm shocked at the heading of your post, but not surprised.

What a caring person you are!

she admits lying in court

JA has admitted lying on tape and in her verbal testimony on the stand many. many times. I think the trial has progressed to a point where her lying numerous times is by now implicit.

And YOU have just lied right here on this page.

How dare you say this, its not true AT ALL.

You have done wonders of taking this totally out of context like all haters do, so I really shouldn't be too shocked.

Lets get this IN context, shall we? Isn't that a good idea?

Jodi Arias admitted she lied initially BEFORE the court case, 5 or so years ago.

JODI ARIAS HAS NOT LIED IN COURT.

There, aren't you pleased I've corrected you?

she has admitted to lying

What I mean by that is that she has admitted to lying. She has admitted to lies she has told throughout her entire police interviews and even, in part to lying to therapists about motivations. I really would hope you are not one of those "AHA! I got youuuu" kind of infant. Really now. I am accurate. It is implicit that she is a liar and has had many versions of various events and motives and, yes, she has told the truth that she has lied...not lying in court perhaps, but with these many lies admitted to, what would anyone assume that on matters that are unverifiable that happened between her and a dead man that she admits to killing and even still vows "that no court will ever convict me"...well let's sit tight, because I will claim that as an OUTRIGHT lie as soon as it comes true. She WILL be convicted of something surely.

''They WILL convict of something, surely''

Well, for You, she'll Have to be, after all, you're likely to disintegrate. You're Still at it.. ''and even still vows ''that no court will ever convict me'' ??

Oh yes? And When did she say that in court, do tell, oh, and prove it!

You'd better get on down and order your anti depressants now, there'll be a very large queue, so you'd better be quick!

Can't have you getting sick...

Wow, Anonymous JA apologista

Wow, Anonymous JA apologista minion, you are unbelievably arrogant. Deceitful. Willfully obtuse. And wrong. But really the arrogance is beyond the pale. I assume you've been diagnosed with BPD too? If not, maybe you should take the test. Look out for those K-scale elevations!

Be SURE of your FACTS next time.

Nothing nice about someone who puts herself straight, then can't help lying..

Very interesting.. Outside

Very interesting..

Outside the courthouse all that was missing was pitch forks.

Chronic liar JA convicted herself

Its really simple: when Jodi's lips are moving, she is lying.

Thank goodness the jury saw through her lies and convicted her.

One of the jury members commented after the trial, that Jodi's defense team were idiots to have put her on the stand because Jodi is SO creepy, SO narcissistic, SO arrogant and such a BLATANT liar that she facilitated her own conviction.

JA might just have had a sliver of a chance of getting away with murder if she'd kept her flapping mouth shut. Hoist by her own petard, she was.

Arias not a liar?

If you really believe that, then you are a deluded idiot. That's as kindly as it can be said. Or you are a complete, irrational imbecile. And that's being extremely generous. Maybe that explains your "LOL" responses. Well, rest assured, those of us that don't pity you think you're worthy of LOL too. And not with you, but at you. Good luck, psycho.

Prejudice against ninjas

JA has falsely accused innocent ninjas of attacking her and killing Travis. I think the testimony of the ninjas needs to be heard at her sentencing trial.

Making up an attack by evil ninjas IS lying, dear! And its incredibly, unbelievably stupid and childish lying. Honestly.... ninjas??!!

''Ninjas'' wasn't her her word, dear

Its people like HLN and those like you who gave that name.

You sound semi BPD yourself

Delusional & easily conned - Jodi is the most manipulative evil liars I've ever seen & I work in the psychiatric field. Take it from me, she's beyond evil.

You sound semi BPD yourself

Delusional & easily duped - Jodi would have enjoyed using you. She is the most manipulative evil liar I've ever seen & I work in the psychiatric field. Take it from me, she's beyond evil.

YUP..

Anonymous wrote:
JA has admitted lying on tape and in her verbal testimony on the stand many. many times. I think the trial has progressed to a point where her lying numerous times is by now implicit.

EXACTLY.

HUH??

Anonymous wrote:
''I'm enjoying the world's shock that this sweet-looking librarian lady is obviously lying through her teeth, making the story up as she goes along and believes that there is absolutely nothing wrong with her behavior. I'm not shocked at all, this is the way I grew up where nothing made sense.''

Obviously lying through her teeth? Oh yes... Really? I am interested to know how you come to this conclusion. Because of Your family you feel entitled to say this, I suppose?

I'm shocked at the heading of your post, but not surprised.

What a caring person you are!

What are you even SAYING? This makes NO sense.

Whoever wrote this article,

Whoever wrote this article, doesn't know the first thing about borderline... I was married to one. Author, you only see what the court can prove, not every day life of the Arias and Alexander. My life was a living hell being married to a borderline. She made up so many lies, tried to put me in jail, and ruin my career. It was lie after lie when I decided to leave her. She was not going down without a fight. It was very hard being in the military and dealing with someone sabatoging your life, because I couldn't take the crazyiness anymore. Another thing, they act great before you marry them, then rush you to marry them so they can show their true colors.

In any point in history, do we know all the details to every War?

i agree. i think she had bpd

i agree. i think she had bpd and because she was caught she never developed ptsd. she blames others and eventually would have felt sorry forherself and had nightmares etc....

my armchair diagnosis of Arias

I'm still going to go with my gut feeling that JA will turn out to have psychopathy.

According to Dr. Robert Hare, an expert on psychopathy, all those with psychopathy also have narcissistic pd, and I think JA has mostly displayed the traits and behaviors of narcissistic pd.

So, my interpretation of that statement is that those with npd who also engage in criminal behaviors (stalking, vandalism, computer hacking, murder) are likely to be psychopaths.

Psychopaths have all the traits of narcissistic pd:
intense self-focus/selfishness; feelings of superiority; feeling entitled to receive preferential treatment; intense need for admiration and attention; reacting to rejection with rage; lack of affective empathy for the needs and feelings of others; etc.)
PLUS the traits of antisocial pd:
no conscience (no sense of right vs wrong behavior/no morals or ethics); lying and manipulating as a standard way of life; perceiving other human beings as mere objects to be used, not people with rights, needs or feelings; feeling entitled and justified to engage in revenge behaviors; a fearless quality (the idea of punishment does not deter antisocial behaviors in those with psychopathy); no compunction about engaging in criminal activities ("Rules are for other people"); high impulsivity; a parasitic lifestyle; etc.

I hope that at some point an official diagnosis will be presented so I will know if my speculations are right or not.

Roll up, Roll up, place your bets now, Please!

You must feel so good to have put Jodi in a box like that, congratulations!

''So, my interpretation of that statement is that those with npd who also engage in criminal behaviors (stalking, vandalism, computer hacking, murder) are likely to be psychopaths''

And you don't stop there, you add your last line too!

Well, sorry to disappoint you, and I know it will come as a bitter blow.. but you are spectacularly wrong on all counts--and Wants!

How does That feel?

Stalking, vandalism, computer hacking, murder.. NONE OF THESE ARE CORRECT.. so sorry to burst your bubble, just when you were hoping, too... Shucks, its a tough life, aint it.

Tell you what, though, the descriptions Do fit Travis to a ''T'':-

Psychopaths have all the traits of narcissistic pd:
intense self-focus/selfishness; feelings of superiority; feeling entitled to receive preferential treatment; intense need for admiration and attention; reacting to rejection with rage; lack of affective empathy for the needs and feelings of others; etc.)
PLUS the traits of antisocial pd:
no conscience (no sense of right vs wrong behavior/no morals or ethics); lying and manipulating as a standard way of life; perceiving other human beings as mere objects to be used, not people with rights, needs or feelings; feeling entitled and justified to engage in revenge behaviors; a fearless quality (the idea of punishment does not deter antisocial behaviors in those with psychopathy); no compunction about engaging in criminal activities ("Rules are for other people"); high impulsivity; a parasitic lifestyle; etc.

*** Lying, manipulating as a standard way of life; perceiving other human beings as Mere Objects To Be USED. Reacting to rejection with RAGE. No effective EMPATHY for the needs and feelings of others. Breaking (Mormon) RULES. A parasitic lifestyle..

Out of Travis' own mouth and his emails. It was egg on Chris and Skye Hughes' faces wasn't it, it was THE LAST thing they wanted to surface--that they had told Travis he wasn't treating Jodi right...

Well, that's pretty good what

Well, that's pretty good what you've said, except you overlooked one point. Travis was murdered in cold blood with his sweet innocent girlfriend at the scene at the time of the murder, and the reason that the lovely victim Miss A is on trial to begin with. I guess along with your theory, you would protest that Travis was not only the abuser, but he killed his fucking self too. You're a genius!

And you

are an idiot.

Since the post previous to

Since the post previous to your insult is correct, then by comparison, you must be a drooling moronic imbecile.

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Dale Archer, M.D., is a clinical psychiatrist and author of The New York Times bestseller, Better Than Normal: How What Makes You Different Can Make You Exceptional.

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