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Keeping Mondays Meaty

Earth Day 2012 is coming up this weekend, leading to much-needed talk about how our food choices impact the planet. Most of this talk, as usual, centers on “veg centric” diets with all of us urged to take the Environmental Working Group’s Meatless Monday pledge. I personally am not about to take that pledge, and here's a dozen good reasons why. Read More

Great post!

Great post!

Bravo!

I have shared this article with various communities I am connected to, Kaayla because your points are well taken, in my opinion. I love your alternative recommendations to the Meatless Monday: "What to do instead? How about committing to one day a week in which the menu includes nothing that comes in a package? How about eating nothing with a label or a barcode? How about 100 percent local, preferably from farmers who use only locally obtained feeds, fertilizers and workers? In other words, boycott supermarkets and join the ranks of the “Non Barcode People.”

Bravo!

Meat Eating Predicts Diabetes Developement

These two articles show clearly , the meat eating by the inhabitants predicted the diabetes development years later.
The two studies were done seperately from each other.
The two studies were done by two different research groups during different years.
The first study completed , checking iron deficiency , had found the highest iron stores in people in Unmmannaq which was explained by higher meat intake and the second study checking diabetes , years later , found highest diabetes in Unmmannaq.
The studies therefore SHOW , the “Meat Eating Predicts Diabetes”.
The first researchers while studying iron deficiency had ALREADY attributed this high iron stores in the Unmmannaq people to the high meat / haem iron INTAKE.
“Body iron stores can be explained by differences in the dietary intake of haem iron”.
When other researchers studing diabetes , years later , found the highest diabetes in the Unmmannaq people , it surprised them.
“Prevalence of iron load highest in Uummannaq (men, 32.1%; women, 21.1%)."
“Surprisingly, the prevalence of diabetes in Unmmannaq was higher than that in the towns of Nuuk and Qasigiannguit”

Highest iron = highest diabetes.

“Prevalence of iron load highest in Uummannaq (men, 32.1%; women, 21.1%). "
“Body iron stores can be explained by differences in the dietary intake of haem iron”
“Diabetes in Unmmannaq was higher than that in the towns of Nuuk and Qasigiannguit”

So CONTRARY to you finding of meat eating having no real effect on health , meat eating actually predicts the developement of diabetes.

Meat Eating Predicts Diabetes Developement

These two articles show clearly , the meat eating by the inhabitants predicted the diabetes development years later.
The two studies were done seperately from each other.
The two studies were done by two different research groups during different years.
The first study completed , checking iron deficiency , had found the highest iron stores in people in Unmmannaq which was explained by higher meat intake and the second study checking diabetes , years later , found highest diabetes in Unmmannaq.
The studies therefore SHOW , the “Meat Eating Predicts Diabetes”.
The first researchers while studying iron deficiency had ALREADY attributed this high iron stores in the Unmmannaq people to the high meat / haem iron INTAKE.
“Body iron stores can be explained by differences in the dietary intake of haem iron”.
When other researchers studing diabetes , years later , found the highest diabetes in the Unmmannaq people , it surprised them.
“Prevalence of iron load highest in Uummannaq (men, 32.1%; women, 21.1%)."
“Surprisingly, the prevalence of diabetes in Unmmannaq was higher than that in the towns of Nuuk and Qasigiannguit”

Highest iron = highest diabetes.

“Prevalence of iron load highest in Uummannaq (men, 32.1%; women, 21.1%). "
“Body iron stores can be explained by differences in the dietary intake of haem iron”
“Diabetes in Unmmannaq was higher than that in the towns of Nuuk and Qasigiannguit”

So CONTRARY to your finding of meat eating having no real effect on health , meat eating actually predicts the developement of diabetes.

meat and diabetes

Tom, could you give me the URL for these two studies. I would like to read them.

Thanks, susan

Most of these points actually support a meatless Monday

They make the correct point of distinguishing grass-fed, grazing animals from factory farming. The thing is, if everyone insists to keep eating the amount of meat they currently do, there is no other way to meet that appetite than practice industrialized, big-scale, cruel-to-animals farming.
Now, of course it doesn't matter whether we do this on Monday or another day (and in fact, eating meat six days a week still seems staggering to me), the solution IS for all of us to decrease our meat consumption, so that eco-and animal friendly farming can feed us and factory farming becomes unnecessary.

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Small, mixed use farms are the answer.

What I've read points to

What I've read points to sugar and simple carbs as promoting diabetes.

Nice article in helping us rethink the superiority of meatless diets.

Moderation and conscientious choices in all of our foods is what matters.

while i admittedly have not

while i admittedly have not read the research you refernce, tom h., it is important to always remember correlation does not equal causation. great article kaayla!

Quote: What I've read points

Quote: What I've read points to sugar and simple carbs as promoting diabetes
Answer: Because of the increased iron. When one has metabolic syndrome one cannot handle the refined carbohydrates.
"Consumption of red meat and whole-grain bread in relation to biomarkers of obesity, inflammation, glucose metabolism and oxidative stress"
"CONCLUSIONS: The results of this study suggest that high consumption of whole-grain bread is related to lower levels of GGT, ALT and hs-CRP, whereas high consumption of red meat is associated with higher circulating levels of GGT and hs-CRP."

Quote: it is important to

Quote: it is important to always remember correlation does not equal causation
Answer: Someone used the same phrase except THEY substituted the word , imply , instead of equal. I argue that it DOES imply causation , but in this case I agree it does not equal / prove causation but when one uses all the 'circumstantial evidence' one can present the case. In those with genetic iron excess and those with secondary iron excess the rate of diabetes is very high. The NIH is currently conducting a study of iron depletion for type two diabetes and NAFLD. The circumstantial evidence is almost overwhelming that meat is involved in diabetes and as pointed out , coincidentally , meat is high in iron and iron is KNOWN to cause diabetes.
"Iron Depletion Therapy for Type 2 DM and NAFLD" http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00230087
"The Role of Iron in Diabetes and Its Complications"
"Iron and Diabetes Revisited"
"The role of iron in type 2 diabetes in humans"

Those pesky papers Tom referred to

Here's a good commentary on why those papers Tom H refers to shouldn't scare you away from meat.
www.marksdailyapple.com/does-eating-red-meat-increase-type-2-diabetes-risk/

Meat raised on properly managed pasture is the way to go, is good for the environment, the farmers, and the farm communities. The present system may be more 'efficient,' but it is not more productive or beneficial.
http://realfoodforager.com/2011/10/12-reasons-why-organic-agriculture-ca...

And if it is more expensive, that means the farmer is earning a decent return and you're not tempted to eat more meat than you need.

Iron From Meat In Diabetes

Quote: Here's a good commentary on why those papers Tom H refers to shouldn't scare you away from meat
Answer: I actually didn't see elevated iron mentioned anywhere in those 'commentaries'. I did see diabetes mentioned and they said meat was connected to diabetes development JUST like my two studies showed. So , contrary to YOUR 'take' on your contributary commentaries , meat as evidenced by me AND you IS closely connected to diabetes due to the increased iron levels achieved BY eating meat / heme iron.

"We found that healthy individuals absorbed about 16x more iron from the hamburger meal than the wheat muffin meal"

what does this have to do

what does this have to do with psychology?

No Carbs Allowed?

Quote: by encouraging his patients to consume more meat and less carbs

Answer: THAT is because the doctor is using the saying :
"Doctor it hurts when I raise my arm." To which he replies, "Don't raise your arm".
Eliminating the carbohydrates is equivalent to not raising your arm.
The increased iron absorption FROM the meat disallows one to be ABLE to eat a carbohydrate as evidenced BY simple reduction of iron by bloodletting / phlebotomy leading to glucose disposal.

"Blood letting led simultaneously to decreased blood HbA(1c) levels and to changes in insulin secretion and insulin resistance that were significantly different from those observed in a matched observational group of subjects with high-ferritin type 2 diabetes"

"Low iron status and enhanced insulin sensitivity in lacto-ovo vegetarians"
"Lacto-ovo vegetarians had lower body Fe stores, as indicated by a serum ferritin concentration (microg/l) of 35 (95 % CI 21, 49) compared with 72 (95 % CI 45, 100) for meat-eaters"
"No matter how induced, Fe depletion consistently enhanced glucose disposal"

Iron In Psychology

Quote: what does this have to do with psychology?

Answer: Increased iron causes more than just diabetes.
"Iron, brain and neuropsychiatric problem"
"Phlebotomy can result in dramatic improvement of neuropsychiatric symptoms"

Diabetes In Greenland

Quote: Tom, could you give me the URL for these two studies.

Answer: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11168519
“Prevalence of iron load highest in Uummannaq (men, 32.1%; women, 21.1%)."
“Body iron stores can be explained by differences in the dietary intake of haem iron”

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/10/1766.full
“Diabetes in Unmmannaq was higher than that in the towns of Nuuk and Qasigiannguit”

Sensationalism

Not only are some of your claims just blatantly incorrect Dr. Daniel ("As for plant-based diets, vegan diets especially can lead to vitamin, mineral, fatty acid and amino acid deficiencies and imbalances, contributing to myriad health problems, including cancer and heart disease."--unless a vegan is only eating lettuce, it is nearly impossible for a vegan diet to be less nutritious than a meat-centric diet), but also many of your arguments actually support the claims you are refuting ("Only about eleven percent of the land on planet earth can be farmed, a percentage that cannot be increased without deforestation, irrigation, chemical fertilizers, and other destructive ecological practices.").

This is a confounding article full of fluff and misdirection. If you want to understand why we should turn to plant-based diets, read "The China Study" by Dr. T. Colin Campbell, Professor Emeritus of Biochemistry at Cornell University.

But, how about just a more practical reason to support Meatless Anydays? Support turning away from eating other animals because we do not need to eat them.

Food is abundant; there are clear dangers to factory farming and industrialized food, and we have no particular incentive to kill other animals for our food.

There is not a single vitamin or mineral from an animal source that can not be derived from a plant-based source, and no animal has to suffer and die for it. As omnivores, we have a choice to eat either plants or animals. If you need a reason to make the less harmful choice, choose to eat plants because you believe you are something more than an animal: Human.

Sensationalism, I couldn't

Sensationalism, I couldn't agree more. I'm sorry but this article is merely an excuse to criticize vegetarians/vegans.

Iron Predicts Diabetes

What bothers me about 'detractors' is they are able to say the most outright stupid things and get away with it.
I found those two articles , condensed them down to two simple
phrases and a medical doctor on one of the more prominent lists REFUSED , downright simply refused to admit the iron predicted the diabetes. She refused to say iron predicts the diabetes years later.

Simply refused , after all the work I did , health research analyzing , finding the information , condensing it down , to nothing.

“Iron load highest in Uummannaq"
Years later.
“Diabetes in Unmmannaq was higher”

Iron predicted the diabetes.

SAD (standard american diet) propaganda!

Certainly hope that you were paid well for promoting this profound disinformation! For anyone interested in truth, please visit: http://www.tcolincampbell.org

BTW, humans are herbivores/frugivores: http://veganzeitgeist.org/2012/02/10/our-beliefs-meat-and-dairy-mad-cons... Clearly this is why we are not living to our natural lifespan of 120 years.

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Kaayla T. Daniel, Ph.D., C.C.N., is vice president of the Weston A. Price Foundation and author of The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food. more...

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