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Sarah Palin’s Lies [UPDATED]

Palin seems to love the effect her disingenuous pronouncements have on her audiences and so she just runs with them. Her fans adore her claims about "death panels" and about Obama supposedly "palling around with terrorists" and all the rest. Look at how they roar with approval and fervor when she tosses that red, bloody moose meat to them - how can the mere (non) truth-value of what she is saying ever compete with that? Plus, the fact that her taunts drive her detractors over the edge - well, that just adds to the fun!

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What about Obama and Clinton?

Either Clinton, I'm just curious. It seems to be the chic thing to jump on Palin right now, and I wonder, is all of this politically motivated, or are you just attacking her because she is in the spotlight?

Personally, one of the things I like about Palin the most is that she is a woman eating men for breakfast at their own game. I would think any woman would take a step back, political ties forgotten, and respect her for that. Above all, she is empowering women in a way that no other woman in this country can. Michelle Obama? Please. What has she done yet? Mrs. Clinton? Nope... all she taught women was to stay with your husband, so long as he's rich and powerful, no matter who he does.

Whoops, meant ~WHAT~ he does. Sorry.

Anyways, I want to know. What kind of liars are the Clinton's and Obama?

My guesses, though I am not as educated on the matter as you are, follows, and please correct me: 1) The Clinton's are pathological liars who know their endgame and will say or do anything, no matter the consequences, to get there. They are cold, calculating and manipulative, stooping to word twisting to get their way.

Obama is still a mystery to me, as well as most people, I think. We don't know anything about him yet other than he has a really nice (disingenuous) smile and he can read very well. Either Barack is just like the Clinton's, only better (Bill got caught a few times. To be fair, Bill HAD a career before he was president), or he really is just a bumbling boob. I mean, it's possible. Look at the stimulus. Either he ~knew~ that the stimulus was going to fail, and lied to push it through, or he really didn't understand anything at all and pushed it through anyways. Either way, I'm scared.

"Unemployment will not go about 7.8%."

Same deal. (we're at 10.4% as of this comment). Either he knew what he was saying was completely wrong or he was... just... ignorant.

You are the expert, though, and I would like to hear your thoughts. Also, to actually complete your article, I would ~really~ like to know what she is lying about. You never said...

You mention death panels (which was never actually denied by the Dems, and was subsequently dropped from the bill, hmm...) and Obama's terrorist ties (William Heirs? They are friends and yes, he really was a terrorist...), two completely understandable mistakes considering you probably only pay attention to Big Media.

So, please, I would love to know: what lies has she told, and could you break down my favorite three liars (Mr. Clinton, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama) and explain what types of liars they are. When I am explaining the difference to my friends and colleagues, I want to make sure I have my facts straight.

Thanks!

Bravo ! Spot on !

You have said everything I wanted to say to this Dr. DePaulo.

Hey Doc: As soon as I see your analysis of obama's book (secretly written by his TERRORIST / MURDERER pal bill ayers) then I will decide if you can be taken seriously or if you are just a partisan hack with a PhD.

A Special Type of Liar

You write: "Look at how they roar with approval and fervor when she tosses that red, bloody moose meat to them - how can the mere (non) truth-value of what she is saying ever compete with that? Plus, the fact that her taunts drive her detractors over the edge - well, that just adds to the fun."

"How can the mere truth-value of what is saying compete with that."

What a fantastic line - I am going to steal it, but I will likely buy your book first, or at least put both them on my wish list.

You might like Ian Ayer's book:

Insincere Promises
The Law of Misrepresented Intent

http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/book.asp?isbn=9780300106756

Get in the mood more

I very much like your posts on the single life -- they get me thinking, but I wish you were in the "deception mood" more. As a response to the previous comment, it would be interesting to hear your take on how one's political "mindset" affects the interpretation/perception of who is honest and who is deceptive.

I liked it

I'd love to hear some more of your thought on why people buy into it though. To an outsider like me (I'm not a US-citizen), it seems like a person is telling a mob that the sky is red and they but into it and even cheer for it. The lying I can understand, but why do people buy into her lies, is way beyond me.

To Chris:

First off, you can read about the lies she means in the article that Dr. DePaula linked to in this bog post. She even explicitly said that you could find the information there and that she wouldn't go further into depth in this post. You could have found all the information you want there, if you had bothered to read it.

Secondly, Sarah Palin is empowering women? Really? Perhaps you should go out and ask how women feel about that. Try the feminist movement for example, you know, the women who've been fighting for women's rights their entire life. See how they feel about women who go on $150,000 shopping sprees, paid by someone else. Who opposes a women's right to control their own body and who is apprears to only have been selected on the fact that she has breasts and looks nice.

Last, your comment about the so-called death panels. Let me ask you a question:

Do you honestly believe that the elected president of the USA is trying to get a publicly funded program approved, which as one of it's tasks has "to decide wether or not old people should live or die"?

If the answer is yes, I suggest finding a good therapist and have him/her inform you about a condition called "paranoia". Because noone in the entire word, besides some US-citizens appearenly, would answer that question with yes.

I appologize for my rudenes, but please open your eyes. You might not agree on methods with Obama, which is fine off course, but Obama and McCain bioth want what's best for the US and for the world. Demonizing people never got anyone anything but misery.

Again, based on the headlines, not the facts...

Disclaimer: I do not know if Sarah is ready for national office or not. She has not been honestly and fully vetted yet. "Honestly", I said.

Sarah did not go on a $150,000 shopping spree. A McCain staffer did on her behalf, and unbeknownst to Sarah. And most of that was different sizes, because they never asked her about it and therefore didn't have her exact size with which to shop. In fact, Sarah actually made McCain's staffers apoplectic when she told a crowd that she got her clothes at a consignment store. That's actually where "going rogue" came from, it was McCains's team describing her speaking from her heart, and off-script.

And her comments about "death panels" was a clear reference (if the entirety of her comments were reported) to rationing of care, which is inevitable if you introduce 30 to 40 million new customers to the healthcare market without increasing providers. It's INEVITABLE, and when healthcare is rationed, SOMEONE has to make the decision on how and whom to restrict...i.e.; panels of people deciding who is worthy of this or that procedure.

If you have any doubt that the media is trying to tear her down, look at yesterday's disclosure by the AP that they assigned ELEVEN people to fact check her book. How many did they assign to Obama, Kennedy, Biden, Clinton, etc? NONE. And what did they come up with? Parsing words; she states in the bookk that she "usually" stays at cheap hotels. AHA!!! They found that ONCE, she stayed at a $500/night hotel in NY, (ONCE!), therefore, SHE LIES!!! That's the best they came up with, with eleven people fact-checking her book.

But no bias against her, right?

One question. Do you think

One question. Do you think that the image of Mrs. Palin as our elected leader will imporve or standing in the world or be a detrement? Would you, "honestly" endorse someone with less qualification to be our next president than say, the Governer of Illinois...sure you would because you buy the hype just like those who hype her negatively. HONESTLY, this person cares NOT for you, you a a pawn in her game, and your ilk play like the champions of lunacy you are. Honestly asses her and stop giving into FOX NEWS...HONESTLY she nearly ruined Alaska, ran it like a hillbilly mobster and then has the audacity to say she could run the county when she can't run her own home (TEENAGE PREGNANCY IS NOT COOL - IN HER OWN 4500 sq ft HOME!!!!) Get some common sense.

I can't let that go unanswered

Do you honestly believe that the elected president of the USA is trying to get a publicly funded program approved, which as one of it's tasks has "to decide wether or not old people should live or die"?

Yes, and not just the President, but it would appear that you and many others feel that way, too. I suppose you think that if the government run health insurance refused to pay for breast exams until age 50 vice 40, that is not deciding that some people should live or die? By everyone's own admission, some women would lose their lives due to the late discovery of breast cancer, but it is an 'acceptable' trade-off. If that is NOT a bureaucrat making life and death determinations, I don't know what you might define it as. In your mind, would they have to drive to your house and shoot you in the head?

And to take your hypocrisy over the top, your last paragraph decries demonizing people while in the very paragraph before, you do EXACTLY that, decreasing your credibility to zero.

Your response nonsensical!

1st paragraph: Absolutely. By having the 500 BILLION reduction in medicare - THEN, instituting rationed cafre with that, it is certain that old people will be shoved to death sooner and in greater #s that without this brainfart health takeover. Obama WILL sign such a law which consigns our parents and elders IMMEDIATELY to sub-standard healthcare.

Second paragraph:
"Yes, and not just the President, but it would appear that you and many others feel that way, too. I suppose you think that if the government run health insurance refused to pay for breast exams until age 50 vice 40, that is not deciding that some people should live or die? By everyone's own admission, some women would lose their lives due to the late discovery of breast cancer, but it is an 'acceptable' trade-off."

Of course, delaying and denying women, or ANYONE for that case -to healthcare when they BELIEVE THEY MAY HAVE A PROBLEM, as opposed to government dictates and political policy decisions == more WILL die than currently. This is elemental, but libs ignore the basic issue to pursue their dogma and sheep-like slavish devotion Obama and his socialist/statist ilk.

An "acceptable tradeoff" to WHAT?? You admit that human life is disposable and arbitrary to political whim and tides. I suppose that having more women DIE under ObamaCare (as also, you approve "death panels" here as well, in case you needed a clue) as their care is rationed and legislated and delayed = more DEATHS via DEATH PANELS.

This goes against human instinct and self-preservation to be told by a government when, how, how much, timing-of-care and how LONG the government will support you medically == thanks for throwing yourself under the bus, really.

The last two sentences were nonsensical and stupid.

Third paragraph:
"And to take your hypocrisy over the top, your last paragraph decries demonizing people while in the very paragraph before, you do EXACTLY that, decreasing your credibility to zero."

I couldn't have described YOUR remarks more accurately and succinctly myself. Considering your rant started out with zero cred and finished with less - guess you're in the negatives now, eh?

Defeat ObamaCare! It's not about healthcare, but political power and degrading America.

Your response nonsensical!

1st paragraph: Absolutely. By having the 500 BILLION reduction in medicare - THEN, instituting rationed cafre with that, it is certain that old people will be shoved to death sooner and in greater #s that without this brainfart health takeover. Obama WILL sign such a law which consigns our parents and elders IMMEDIATELY to sub-standard healthcare.

Second paragraph:
"Yes, and not just the President, but it would appear that you and many others feel that way, too. I suppose you think that if the government run health insurance refused to pay for breast exams until age 50 vice 40, that is not deciding that some people should live or die? By everyone's own admission, some women would lose their lives due to the late discovery of breast cancer, but it is an 'acceptable' trade-off."

Of course, delaying and denying women, or ANYONE for that case -to healthcare when they BELIEVE THEY MAY HAVE A PROBLEM, as opposed to government dictates and political policy decisions == more WILL die than currently. This is elemental, but libs ignore the basic issue to pursue their dogma and sheep-like slavish devotion Obama and his socialist/statist ilk.

An "acceptable tradeoff" to WHAT?? You admit that human life is disposable and arbitrary to political whim and tides. I suppose that having more women DIE under ObamaCare (as also, you approve "death panels" here as well, in case you needed a clue) as their care is rationed and legislated and delayed = more DEATHS via DEATH PANELS.

This goes against human instinct and self-preservation to be told by a government when, how, how much, timing-of-care and how LONG the government will support you medically == thanks for throwing yourself under the bus, really.

The last two sentences were nonsensical and stupid.

Third paragraph:
"And to take your hypocrisy over the top, your last paragraph decries demonizing people while in the very paragraph before, you do EXACTLY that, decreasing your credibility to zero."

I couldn't have described YOUR remarks more accurately and succinctly myself. Considering your rant started out with zero cred and finished with less - guess you're in the negatives now, eh?

Defeat ObamaCare! It's not about healthcare, but political power and degrading America.

Thanks Martin! I would also

Thanks Martin!
I would also like to respond to Chris' comment that women should appreciate that Sarah Palin is beating men at their own game (or however he put it): Whether or not she is poking holes in the glass ceiling (and I don't think she is), it's still wrong to say that women should respect Palin for being a woman, which is what Chris comes perilously close to saying. To say that liberal, progressive women should respect Palin at all for her gender, despite her horrifically regressive politics, is to say that women are easily won over by the superficiality of gender. This is insulting to the entire feminist movement, and misses the whole point of that movement.

Also, let's not forget that she couldn't give Katie Couric a single example of a magazine or newspaper that she reads regularly. Whether or not she's a liar (which I think she is), she's definitely an idiot.

Christina at Onely

I didn't like it

Yes, Martin, Sarah Palin is setting a fine example of empowerment to women. I know many women like Sarah Palin in my rural area. Our children's grade school teacher ran a trap line all winter so she could make a fur coat, for example. Unlike liberal icon Hillary Clinton who married into politics, Palin worked her way up the ladder.

As far as I'm concerned, liberal feminists showed what they are during the Clinton sex scandal. Only their price remains in doubt.

Sarah Palin lives in a rural area, and until the campaign she occupied the middle class. She had neither the means or the need for a spiffy wardrobe. The McCain campaign knew people would criticize her if she campaigned in jeans.

I read the House bill, and it most assuredly included "death panels." They were implied, not explicate, as Palin said. The provisions were accounting methods to maximize cost effectiveness. The bill would take almost $500 billion from Medicare as more old people join the system. States economies would be harmed too. The net effect would be less money to treat old and very sick people. It is happening now in many countries with socialized insurance and medical care.

A reporter asked President Obama if the plan would pay for her mother's treatment. She said her mother is 105 and doing fine after she received a hip replacement or pace maker (I don't remember which) when she was about 100. Obama replied bureaucrats cannot spent money based on spirit and will to live. Sometimes it is better to give old people pain killers and let them cope. Private insurance companies ration care, and the government program will do it even more efficiently.

I wouldn't vote for Palin, but the left's hostility and fear of her is striking. If she, now a private citizen with a book seems so dangerous to the left, maybe they are the ones who need their heads examined.

It seems that you selling

It seems that you selling your book is all you really want to do, and you're just stepping on Sarah to do it. Everyone has their agenda.

Love It!

I love the way you advance your agenda, and slander those with whom you disagree. Just throw the label "liar" on them without substantiating your claim. That is absolutely brilliant. You do a great job of calling Sarah but, the fact is, Bill Ayers is a terrorist. Chavez qualifies for that label as well. If, as part of the health bill, a panel of beaurocrats gets to decide who should get medical treatment and who should not, are those not "death panels?" Or, maybe we should call them "life and death panels." Is that more to your liking? I have no intention of buying Sarah Palin's book or ever voting for her. However, this type of "commentary" is utterly ridiculous. I will say one thing, you have proven your credentials at being an expert on lying.

Why don't you watch the PBS

Why don't you watch the PBS special on so called "death panels". You have no idea of what you speak of.

The Palin supporters are not savvy enough to understand...

much of anything with the least bit of complexity, hence they buy the Palin lies and circumvent all logic in their pathetic need to justify their indefensible beliefs. And watch a PBS show? Please! They just can't manage to keep up with all those facts and rational arguments. And those darn PBS people never make stuff up and wink at the audience, or cry, or scream, like Palin, Back, and Limblah.

Fox news is keeping these people ignorant of the facts, and they are too wrapped up in the lies to even seek out the facts. How could any reasonable adult still not have learned the well publicized facts that exposed the ridiculousness of the "Death Panel" claims.

Just a few of the articles they could have read to find the truth:
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/georgetown/2009/08/the_death_...

http://brainrageblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/death-panel-lies-kill-end-of-l...

http://www.google.com/url?q=http://mediamatters.org/columns/200909110027...

Anony

Lovely

Anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Your elitist mentality is blatantly showing. I did not need to imply that you are not savvy because you only want to hear what MSNBC has to say. You choose your viewpoint, just as everyone else does. Oddly that is pretty much a guaranteed freedom in this country and does not in any way make you smarter than everyone because you 'think so'. I would bet that if every "D" and "R" was transposed, you would still be saying how dumb the conservatives were. Remind us all on the truthfulness of the statements on unemployment not exceeding 8%, the end of 'don't ask/don't tell, Gitmo closure, etc. Whose lack off savvy is shown there?

Sarah is clearly...

... just following along with her political party and unable to think for herself.

I would pity her and not villify her.

David Kaplan

Hahahaha! Elitist! You people are so bamboozled it's truly sad.

The word elitist is such a misused and misunderstood term that it cracks me up every time you people use it.

And I don't just listen to MSNBC. I listen to Faux Noise as well, and they are liars and distorters. MSNBC is CONSTANTLY disproving their lies with indisputable evidence. Fox just babbles on and never makes a legitimate case for their theories.

There is truth out there and *it* has a liberal bias. It's not just what I "think"--it's proven facts, and they are overwhelmingly on the side of liberals and against the RWers mythology.

I *choose* my viewpoint based on facts, not what I want to believe, like RWers do, and yes, that makes me smarter. Deal with it.

And there's a difference between outright Lies, which Palin tells, and policies which may not work out as planned or intended. Palin just makes stuff up, or takes one or two facts and builds all kinds of ridiculous, illogical, unsupportable stories around them to suit her aganda.

But then, if you wanted to know the truth, and had the smarts to process it, you'd be much more well informed that you are, so, no use me wasting any more time on trying to educate you.

Reply to Sarah Thompson

We can trample each other to death about our differing opinions, and that's a good healthy sign of having freedom of speech. We are agents to ourselves. Free to choose.

Are you kidding me? You are

Are you kidding me? You are calling Palin a liar and arrogant? Have you seen the arrogance of our new President? Have you followed what is going on in the world since he's been in office? I'm shocked you think this way and even more shocked that you would post it. Perhaps YOU need to seek some therapy. In my opinion you aren't as "wise" or educated as you may think. And to post that someone is a liar seems like it could be a bit LIABLE. One would think with your "credentials" you might realize that before you post. And where do you practice? I want to make sure to avoid going there or sending anyone there. WOW.

LIABLE!

Touche Bella. Your work here is done.

First of all, do your

First of all, do your research or this disscusion is pointless. A real example of a lie that Pailin told is about Healthcare in Britan. Such as giving a false truth that Stephen Hawking would be dead if he was from Britan. Although, he is from Britan and claims they have a lot better healthcare then America. Somone, that is a physist/cosmologist and native, (Stephen Hawking),calls out on her.

Second, are you familiar with how the goverment works? Do you know who has the most power in politics? The answer is that Congress has the most power. This is a demcrocy! Obama is only a public figure that could send out that public health care reform or thar stumilus package or veto bills if he wants too.

First of all, do your

First of all, do your research or this disscusion is pointless. A real example of a lie that Pailin told is about Healthcare in Britan. Such as giving a false truth that Stephen Hawking would be dead if he was from Britan. Although, he is from Britan and claims they have a lot better healthcare then America. Somone, that is a physist/cosmologist and native, (Stephen Hawking),calls out on her.

Second, are you familiar with how the goverment works? Do you know who has the most power in politics? The answer is that Congress has the most power. This is a demcrocy! Obama is only a public figure that could send out that public health care reform or thar stumilus package or veto bills if he wants too.

Yeah.. uhmm.. hmmm...

Since every politian - every human being - lies, I don't see the point in singling out Palin and demonizing her.

What I do see is a resentful author. I don't know why DePaulo is so resentful, but I can guess:

a) Palin is physically attractive; DePaulo - less so.
b) Palin is in power and has status; DePaulo - not as much.
c) Palin has a family. DePaulo, apparently not.
d) Palin has money. DePaulo - lots of credentials/student loans.

... and ...

e) Palin is real and is in more touch with the majority of Americans. She deals with real-world problems - from her daughter's pregnancy to the Alaska state budget. DePaulo sits in some ivory tower with a fringe feminist perspective that is out-of-touch with reality.

Would I vote for Palin if she ran against Obama in '12? Well, she IS smart, hot, and powerful. The incumbant - who I did vote for - has failed to impress me, thus far.

So there.

David Kaplan

Well, there we have it, Palin

Well, there we have it, Palin is hot...shows where your intellect lies. Perhaps you can run with her...away, that is!

Charisma...

.. is an essential leadership quality. Charisma comes in many forms - looks, body language, voice tonality, etc.

It just so happens that Palin is hot. I got news for you, women thought Al Gore was hot - some still do. Many people consider Obama hot - hence the topless beach photos.

Attractiveness is one of the top motivations for following another person.

As for my intellect, it lies exactly where is should - transcending your ignorance, resentment, and surreality.

David Kaplan

Calling Palin a liar sounds

Calling Palin a liar sounds like so much partisanship to me, because if you had asked me about Obama and terrorists (Ayers) or about death panels, I would have answered yes. And I am being as fully truthful as I can.

I think we need to distinguish between having a different view, and saying something the sayer believes to be false.

Case in point, (let's not argue about politics here, but use this as an example) - those death panels. I have looked at the issues, and the details, and I still do not see how there will be no "death panel", without holding costs down at all. Now, perhaps you believe the govt. can do this. But if you believe that, neither you or I are liars. One of us is just wrong. And even the best of us can be wrong. There is nothing particularly amazing about being wrong.

Enough with the :They resent her because she's attractive" bull!

There are countless far more attractive than Palin women out there who I don't resent. As a matter of fact, I'm very fond of many of them-- famous, gorgeous actresses and models and even personal friends of mine. I don't have a bad word to say about these women. And I can guarantee you that its the same for 99% of those who can't stand Palin, including Ms. DePaulo, I'd bet big money.

So, drop that.

Same deal with the power. There are plenty of powerful women, far more powerful than I am, who I have great affection and respect for. it's simply not a thing which turns me against other women. So, another of your ridiculous RW talking points is discredited.

Now, if you have any brains at all, you can see that the next two of your lame "guesses" will be discredited in exactly the same way.

And as for that last bit of fiction--you don't know what Ms. DePaulo faces and deals with in her life, and you've overestimated Palin's abilities, competencies. and popularity.

We don't like Palin because she's a witch hunting, vindictive, nasty, narcissistic, uninformed, nails-on-a-chalkboard-voiced lying bitch. Nothing to do with those other things which we're fine with in most women.

So, to sum it up, you're wrong on all counts. Typical RW nonsense talking points. Typical Palin supporter. Delusional.

It took me a minute...

...to figure out what RW meant. "Right-wing". I guess the reason I couldn't figure out what RW meant is because I don't identify myself as right-wing. I consider myself a independent, moderate, centrist. As I said in my previous post, I voted for Obama.

But, I suppose, from your radically leftist perspective, I would be considered right-wing.

I don't fly on anyone's wings - left or right. I think for myself. I don't follow parties and I'm simply not a drone.

As for my guesses, take whatever you want from them. There's no doubt they hit a sensitive spont on you, though.

David Kaplan

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Bella DePaulo, Ph.D., is author of Singled Out: How Singles Are Stereotyped, Stigmatized, and Ignored, and Still Live Happily Ever After. She is a visiting professor at UC Santa Barbara.

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