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Ive never heard of this
Ive never heard of this before. Its hard for me to beleive that a heterosexual male will have sex with another male, and not be homosexual, or bi-sexual. I think that these males are indeed homosexual, and are just not ready to "come out".
Never heard of It? Go to Craigslist M4M Sectiom
There are a lot of "men seeking men" postings that are posted on Craigslist by men who admit that they are married. It is sad but true and I pray that their wives find out about this before any of them are given any type of diseases. Not that you won't get it if they are just cheating around with other women, it's just that I think married men who are on the DL (down low) makes cheating even worse because it's a double deception.
married men wanting another man
As a married man who has struggled with this issue of homosexual desires, it has been rough doing the right thing. And Oh may I add, I am a christian man which adds fuel to the fire. I understand every aspect of all that a man may say for or against this whole situation. Is it right to endanger your wife, I say no. Is it right to lust after another man, I say no. But just because I say no doesnt make the situation go away. I have found that in my marriage, communication is so strained that it is difficult to tell my wife I want her. Thereby, I find it easy to tell a guy I want him. I know I need to make up my mind and decide because its not right to be with a woman and not make love to her. I go through the suicide mode on a daily basis but have not done it. As a man, i am suppose to be the aggressor but I find myself being the aggressor for another man. It makes me sad but the fact still remains what my desire is. As a christian, I know what I should do, as a human being I feel what I feel and I need to figure out how to not feel this way.
While I was doing my own
While I was doing my own post, I couldn't help but be disturbed by reading yours, especially the part about suicide. Please, if nothing else, seek help on this issue.
I think, despite your heterosexual marriage, that if you are truly honest with yourself, you'll admit that you are homosexual. I hate to say this, but you need to admit it to your wife. This will result in one of two courses of action, either divorce or acceptance and a continuation of the marriage with your wife knowing that you will be going off with another man on occasion. You say you are Christian. Have you thought about talking to your pastor/priest about your situation?
I wouldn't immediately make
I wouldn't immediately make judgments about whether or not someone is a homosexual, and, like Joe writes, a series of questions need to be asked before concluding someone is homosexual but in denial about it. I also don't believe telling someone who they are and/or what they should do is that helpful. But it does seem to me that, at the very least, if you have a partner whom you don't feel comfortable communicating your desires to, then maybe you're married to the wrong person or you and that person need to be in marriage counseling. Of course, I don't know the details of what the marriage is like, so there's no saying for sure on my end. But everyone should be able to communicate with their partner--it's vital.
As for the comment about not believing men have sex with other men--I'm glad Joe broke down the difference between sexual fantasies, sexual behavior, etc, because explaining sexual behavior answered a question I had, i.e. "What do you mean by 'sex'?" I can certainly see a lot of men, married or not, doing sexual things with other men such as oral sex and masturbating each other--things some people do not define as "sex" but IS sexual behavior. And anal sex with men makes some sense, too, because a lot of men either feel uncomfortable asking their female partner for it or already know she is dead-set against it when he is too excited by it to just accept that response from her and not pursue his desire. The average person is aware that there are certainly some men who go for it, i.e. some gay men, so seeking out a gay male is easier than cheating with another woman in some sense.
Clearly you are not
Clearly you are not Christian, The bible says that God forbids homosexual relationships, plus he says homosexual relationships are acts of Satanas.
If he is indeed homosexual, he will have to renounce to Christianity, and be doom for hell according to the bible, change his beliefs or transform in heterosexual.
Talking to his pastor wont do any good, the pastor would think he is a sinner, and that he has to change himself into a heterosexual.
So as a Christian myself, I would say, change yourself to hetero, do everything to change hetero, take counceling sessions and so on
Or just change your beliefs, and try a homo relationship and see if you like it, maybe you have fantasies but thats it.
Christianity
If you were a good Christian you would not judge. Real Christians would not post something like this acting superior as if they know what is right and telling another person how they must live they're life--that is G-d's, work not mans.
Also if you are going to post have the courage to use your real name and not hide behind Annonymous!
the bible does not say it's
the bible does not say it's wrong read it up and learn better
uuum so gay and christian is impossobilty?
ur an idiot and I'm not being rude it's a fact so every sinner must not be a christian then eh? respect and love one another ya'll and praise the lord for what you have in life and the rest will come to those who are patient gay or not gay 10 commandments ya'll and and you can still be saved but also gluttony one of the 7 deadly sins occur everyday with obesity rate going up but is it truly that persons fault? it might be addiction to food so the world cannot help us only The Lord can I'm gay I'm christian and i'm proud to say it this is the way God made me
Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Génesis 1:28
Romans 1:26-27
1 corinthians 6:9
After reading all this can you still sustain what you just said, bc I would love for someone to tell me that I'm wrong, but sadly I think the bible it's very clear on the subject.
To this vile bible-bigot and his ilk...
That book of fairytales, which you are so fond of, also tells us to murder our disobedient children; sell our daughters into slavery and/or force them marry (if they are raped) their rapist. It also demands that if a woman's hand touches another man's genitals (even if her hand accidentally brushes up against another man's genitals if she comes between her husband and a man attacking her husband) then her husband must "without remorse" chop off the offending hand of his wife. Oh, and of course don't forget Ephesians 6: "With a cheerful heart a slave must obey his master..." Yep, your "Satan" couldn't have written a better masterpiece.
The list of atrocities goes on and on and on. The Old Testament is a hate-filled compost pile and the homophobic excremental pronouncements Paul cites in the New Testament just shows how morally distant from Christ he actually was. Paul also stated that married men and women should not lust after one another and that they should abstain from sex as well -- you left that part out. He (as well as you) obviously suffered from deep-seated sexual hang ups.
Furthermore, that irrelevant and offensive claptrap book of Bronze Age superstitions and perversions (ie the so-called "Holy" Bible) is about as spiritually pure and as innocent as hungry cannibals on a school bus full of children. It is the last refuge for the morally bankrupt.
So, peddle your spiritual sickness elsewhere. The vast majority of Gay people are as loving and as moral as any heterosexual who also respects the rights of others and judges others as individuals. That is in apt contrast to miscreants like you who tar their fellow humans with outdated, primitive, tribalistic, psuedo-christian indictments on their moral character when you truly lack one of your own.
Clearly you might not understand
I wish I found this article earlier.
You want to talk about being Christian? I was molested by priest at a very young age, which I have kept inside for over 30 years.So get over the "christian" thing. They were the ones that introduced me to homosexuality, not by choice. Since my "first" was with a man, and the fact that I had an orgasm, it has left me confused for years. Plus with my "christian" background, the fact I grew up in a "christian" family and God forbid I was to mention it, made me hate the fact that I kept living over and over my abuse. Tell me how that feels when you've dealt with it for a long period of time. Don't ever bring up religion when it comes to judgement. Religion is a very dangerous tool in the wrong hands, even to the ones who think they know whats right "Clearly you are not". You don't have a clue to what anyone else has been through.
first of all, priests are
first of all, priests are from the catholic religion, in the christianity religion they are called pastors, and Im very sorry that happened to you, but even if it was a pastor, God shouldnt be blamed, but the sinner, who did it, who let the enemy enter his heart, and even if it seems so, Im not banning being homosexual, Im just saying that from the Biblical words, you can not call yourself a Christian since the Bible is agains that behaviour...
Someone called the Bible fairy tales, if you think the Bible is fairy tales, then that is ok, bc you are living by your beliefs, but what Im trying to say, is that being gay and practicing gay behaviour you can not say, "Im a christian" bc you are not really since you do not try to follow God's word.
Actually Im a christian, but years ago I was also a defender of gay rights, so I've been wondering, how can I defend Christian homosexual from other christians, but by reading the Bible, I have to say I have to give up, why???, There isnt any part of the Bible that doesnt condemn homosexuality, if ppl like me follow the Bible as a guide for life how can I tell them that being gay is ok.
Im also a Christian teacher, and I also love Glee love Santana and Britt and Kurt, but everytime I talk to my children I have to say that, that show is disgusting, and I just start thinking, we are growing gay haters here....how can we change the look of christianity and homosexuality and still follow the Bible.
So thats the reason I came here, but from the comments I have receive here, I think its a hopeless case, Im in a spiritual fight about it. :(
my first comment has to be:
my first comment has to be: Lets pretend god did send prophets to speak his word; man wrote these words down, not god. When was the last time you killed your children for being disobedient (leviticus 20:9)? The last time you bought slaves properly (leviticus 25:44-46)? did you know that god puts a monetary value on man at least twice as much as a woman (leviticus 27:3-7)? These things dont sound much like a loving god and more like a group of men interpreting things of their time. I am not saying that the book is a collaboration of fairy tales-- more to keep an open mind about things. Do not take things out of context. I can tear down every and any of the so-called arguments against homosexuality with a simple "lets keep reading the whole chapter". but thats not why i am writing this. If you would like to hear the rest of them just message me back.
I attended private catholic schools for 13 years, and have had my share of christian religion teachers, so i understand how the two conflicting ideas can be confusing. I find the solution simple: stop thinking about how homosexuals are having sex and ask if they love each other For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. "For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only to not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another" (Galatians 5:13). Homosexuals are having non-emotional, premarital sex just as often as heterosexuals are, but they are having loving, emotional ones too.
i am not an saying to ignore your faith, i am saying to question it, constantly, because blind faith is worse than no faith at all. If you do not question it how do you know it exists
Clearly you might not understand
I wish I found this article earlier.
You want to talk about being Christian? I was molested by priest at a very young age, which I have kept inside for over 30 years.So get over the "christian" thing. They were the ones that introduced me to homosexuality, not by choice. Since my "first" was with a man, and the fact that I had an orgasm, it has left me confused for years. Plus with my "christian" background, the fact I grew up in a "christian" family and God forbid I was to mention it, made me hate the fact that I kept living over and over my abuse. Tell me how that feels when you've dealt with it for a long period of time. Don't ever bring up religion when it comes to judgement. Religion is a very dangerous tool in the wrong hands, even to the ones who think they know whats right "Clearly you are not". You don't have a clue to what anyone else has been through.
I understand completely since
I understand completely since I too have the same thoughts.
Married men wanting another man
I too, have had the same desires and likes and dislikes as the gentleman who described his situation involving his marriage and his desires for other men, I am a single guy with a girl friend, who has tried for many years to lead a straight life, however, my desires for other guys is so strong , it haunts you like nothing you can ignor. Since my days in high school, I have had some desire for guys of the same sex, I was sent off to a boarding school back in the 70's, there were not dividers in the showers as there most likely is today, just 6 showers lined up where us boarders lined up at night to shower off, yes, I saw it all at a very young age, the big and the small, the different sizes and shapes of other guys private parts, the awesome looking bodies and the bodies that really needed a little extra work on them. I began to immagine what it would be like to have extra inches, just a little more,the buldges, I observed in the lunch line on a daily basis, it all began in highschool, just living with a room mate and living in close quarters with other guys my own age, and yes, we all knew it was wrong to be homosexual, back then, homosexuality was just purely wrong, but in the back of my mind, it actually facinated me, I live a good part of my adult life, before, I actually acted in such a way as to actually have intimate desires with another man, and yes, I have had gay sex with other men, not a lot, but some, was it a curiosity to find out what it would be like to touch another guy, I can't really answer that question, all , I can say is, that, I feel this natural feeling of being much more comfortable with guys, hanging out with the guys, it just seems to be more natural for me, yes, I tried women, I am not sure where I went wrong, or was it just that " Some guys have all the luck " women were hard for me to find and talk too, was my personality just not what women were looking for, I really do not know the answer to this question, other than I had my share of problems growing up and trying to deal with my sexuality, I had a very rough time in my twenties and thirties. when the internet came along, I was then able to talk to other men and actually became much more acceptable with who I really was, today, I feel I am bisexual, and yes, I do have this craving for hot guys, I know it is wrong, I know it is not accepted in the country, yet, it does exists and I believe it would be harder for me to break my deisre for other guys than it would be for an acholic to quit his or her addiction.
My last part of my acticle here is, yes, I consider myself bisexual and I do not feel bad about it today, my girl friend knows of my desires, she may not know it all, but she knows, I luv a hot guy, maybe it is that part of me, that , would like to be that "HOt Guy" whatever it is, what i do behind close doors is my business and no one elses, if it make me happy so be it, and to the gentleman who wrote the acticle about "Married men wanting other men" , yes, I know exactly what you are going through, you are not by yourself and I personally feel you should do what makes you feel good, life is too short worrying about what others think or what is right or wrong, God made us, all for a reason and when he made me , he gave me the opportunity to meet men and women, I feel he would not have given me that opportunity to have the desires that I have about men, if he were not in charge,so, to all of you, make your life what you can of it, tommorrow may be your last day, have a nice one....
God gives us free will. Not
God gives us free will. Not all that we freely choose to do is good for us, even if if feels good at the time. Some people are attracted to young children and act on their attraction. God gives us the ability to be attracted but expects us to use the brain he also gives us to make wise choices. What kind of world would we live in if everyone acted on all of their desires?
BS
What makes you think that god made you? Your parents made you. No one else. The rest you can look up in a dictionary under evolution...
And what makes you think that you are the lucky one who can live life to the fullest just because you desire the same things that your god wants you to desire?
So, if "god" didn't make a person the way he wants him to act, that person should suffer for his entire life just to fulfill your gods wish? Please...
Everyone has only one life and everyone should live it how he wants as long as no one else has to suffer negatively from his lifestyle. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anybody. If anyone want s to live like this, it is not your freaking problem. It does not interfere with your life. So don't interfere with theirs
Celebrate your individuality and don't feel guilty
Dear married str8 man,
I read your dilema wtih eager heart. I feel bad for you to feel so tormented internally. I personally feel that one should be able to do what makes one happy without feeling cornered by societal values. Nobody can understand your feelings except you. Then why should others be the judge for what is right and wrong.
I am going through my own challenges of finding a man for myself. Although I identify as gay, but I have always been attracted to str8 males. There is such a quality to them which gay guys don't have. As a result, I have hardly dated any gay men.
I wish I can find that "marriage of convenience" with a str8 male where we provide each other for what we don't get anywhere else.
I am looking for those str8
I am looking for those str8 males who want to have a gay friend in their lives for friendship and/or more. Please contact me at sohaam@hotmail.com
Bromance
Hurray for a term that accurately describes my relationships with two other men. Let me discribe one of these bromances. First of all, let me state that both of us are happily married straight men who have never had sex with each other. I met my friend some 36 years ago when we were both single. Our meeting was purely by chance, but we hit it off immediately and I couldn't see enough of him. I was 26 and he was 18. After one of our first dinner "dates" we sat in his car and talked for a while. It was amazing how we just opened up to each other about some very personal issues, especially about girls we were dating. In each case we were having issues in those relationships. I remember my friend started to cry (He's always been an emotional person) and I REALLY felt for him. I took his hand while we talked and eventually I put my arm around his shoulder, assuring him that no matter what happened I would always be there for him. Without even thinking about it we leaned into each other and kissed on the lips. Surprisingly neither one of us felt strange about what we had done. Exchanging a non sexual kiss on the lips became the norm when greeting and departing from each other's company from then on. My friend moved many miles away several years ago, but we call each other often and still feel the same affection we did years ago. I think it is fair to say that we are in love.
Bromance
Straight men can and do have sex with other men. I am separated from a long-term wife. If I have a girlfriend I only want her (and her girlfriend maybe. At the moment I don't have a girlfriend and not enough money to see female prostitutes, so I visit adult bookstores on occasion and let a guy blow me. I watch the porn and really just fantasize that I am having sex with a woman. Guess it's more like prison sex. I know for a fact I would rather have a woman but choose the sexual release.
Bromance
I know exactly what you are talking about. Several months ago my wife and I decided to move back to our home state to be with her kids, one of which had just gotten pregnant. I stayed behind though because of certain issues that I had take care of before I moved across the country. We talked every day and even shared pictures and had webcam sex, but it really didn't satisfy me. I couldn't have sex with another woman because I would feel incredible guilt, but then I started noticing more about men when I would watch porn. I talked to her about it and she told me it was fine to experiment. Soon though I was beginning to enjoy it more than I thought I would, especially because she would masturbate when I told her what happened. Because I coulnd't have a woman I was wanting sex with a man all the time. I ended up spending almost two months apart from her and during that time I had sex daily with different men every time. Like yourself, I would picture myself having sex with a tight woman and being sucked on by a woman. But then I started letting other men fuck me instead of just me just doing it. After I got back to her I found myself completely not wanting a man at all. I wondered why so we went to a counselor just to ask and found it might have simply been a sexual addiction for a short time due to the lack of a woman being next to me after having her there every night for almost 9 years. I don't have any regrets, except for the fact that I risked receiving STDs in a big way, but it is a strange time to look back on.
mm sex desire
i understand your situation in having sex with men. i've been in a similar situation. for a period of a few years i did not have a girlfriend. during that time i also was becoming more interested in casual sex with men. like you i had some "risky" encounters. i would feel guilty later but thourghly enjoyed the sexual release.
i think it's wonderfull that your wife embraced the situation. my wife accepts my feelings about mm sex and wants to see me in action but we haven't had the opportunity yet. i feel blessed to have her. i don't feel guilt anymore but i do take a lot more care about who i might get involved with. i miss those spontanious encounters from my past. would like to have that kind of convenience again.
human beings are as varied in their sexual behaviour as they are in career choice. maybe even more so.
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closet bisexual in denial as usual you are pathetic
Hey Mr. You are yourself so
Hey Mr.
You are yourself so pathetic to cling to outdated theories. It is also very annoying to know there are individuals who think their definition of sexuality is what the world should follow regardless of the fact that they had dealt with that issue lot more effectivley than their western counterparts.
It is sad to know that you come to this forum and completely ignore the research work of a Pshycologist who happens to be gay.
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closet bisexual in denial as usual you are pathetic
closet case bisexual as usual
closet case bisexual as usual you are pathetic and no one believes your bs who has any brains
Interesting. I'm curious.
Interesting. I'm curious. Not to sound condescending, but why do you prefer a b.j. from a guy as apposed to say a flesh-light or something like that? Is a real mouth better and easier to access if it's a man's?
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