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The roles of play and curiosity as foundations for learning.

Why Children Protest Going to School: More Evolutionary Mismatch

A Darwinian, evolutionary perspective helps us understand why children do not readily submit to schooling. Every bone in their body, every neuron, every muscle, resists coercion. Our hunter-gatherer past endowed children with educative drives that are rooted in freedom. Read More

Peter, It's all so logical.

Peter, It's all so logical. Why would we take our young, impressionable, enthusiastic 5 and 6 years olds, put them in a prison-like warehouse that is designed to make them first and foremost obedient, leave them there with no voice and no control for 12 years, and then expect them to come out as healthy, well-adjusted members of our society ready to solve difficult problems and take our country successfully into the next century? We're brainwashing them. And our country is brainwashing us.

Today's traditional school students are destined to become 1 of 3 things - robotic drones who do nothing until told by an authority figure; rebellious misfits who hate society and everything it stands for; or adults who, although they are not miserable, know nothing about themselves, or what they want out of life and become materialistic and money hungry in an effort to become what corporate America has told them they should be. I realize that there are many dedicated educators and administrators in our traditional school systems who genuinely care about their students and would do anything to help them become successful. But they're going about it all wrong. It will never work for more than a handful of kids.

I attended traditional schools, was a straight A student, and 'liked' school (as much as one can like prison). I cheated as often as I could, and did as little work as possible to get by. Because I was a girl, white, introverted and carried books alot my teachers often gave me the benefit of the doubt and I earned grades I did not deserve. Every test I took, I 'crammed' for, and I don't remember 75% of what was 'taught' to me. I consider myself to be intelligent, but now in my mid-forties I still feel directionless and unmotivated, and I still often catch myself doing as little as possible to get by in life.

My 10 year old son is a student at a Sudbury school and I can't imagine him being "educated" any other way. I want him to grow up to be a passionate, motivated, inquisitive, happy person. And I know the Sudbury education model is the surest way to achieve that goal. So why is the idea sooooo hard to sell to the average American parent?

My child LOVES school. She

My child LOVES school. She is in a Montessori school. I find Montessori very similar in concept to Sudbury Valley -- self-directed learning based on interests, personal responsibility, teachers are resources and guides rather than a lecturer, individual discovery and mistakes are encouraged, etc. I read your blog often and wonder what your thoughts about Montessori are.

Montessori schools

Hi anonymous,

It's always great to hear about a child who loves school. My first concern, always, for any child, is happiness. If a school regularly makes a child unhappy, the parents should not allow that school to take their child.

You comment on the similarity between Montessori and Sudbury schools. There is, indeed, some similarity, in that Montessori schools take steps in directions toward Sudbury schools, but do not go all the way. e.g.:

-Montessori schools enable some degree of age mixing (often students over a range of three years in age are in the same classroom); Sudbury Valley does not segregate students at all--children aged 4 through 18 all mix together freely. And Sudbury schools have no classrooms--students go wherever they wish in the school building and grounds.

-Montessori schools believe in project learning--the teachers give or suggest projects, which students do largely on their own or in groups, and from which they are expected to learn. Sudbury students also learn through doing projects, but the projects are entirely their own, not chosen or monitored by teachers, and there is no requirement to do any projects at all. Students spend their days entirely as they choose.

-Montessori schools offer some degree of choice. Students generally have a menu of options from which to choose. At Sudbury schools the whole world of choice is available, completely up to the student (as long as no school rules, designed to protect students and the community from harm, are violated).

-In other respects, the difference between Sudbury schools and Montessori schools is vast. Montessori schools are still within the tradition of top-down schooling, in that the assumption is that teachers are responsible to be sure that the students learn a certain curriculum. At Sudbury schools, it is all up to the individual students. At Sudbury, the adult staff (not called teachers) are hired and fired by the school meeting, which includes staff and students together; so, in reality, the staff are employed by the students. That is not true in any other type of school I know of.

-Most people, as I understand it, see Montessori schools as most appropriate for younger children. Few such schools continue into the high-school or even middle-school years. Sudbury schools, on the other hand, are seen as schools for all ages.

So, despite some similarities, the differences are larger than the similarities. All in all, Montessori schools are much closer to typical schools in their procedures and modes of operation than they are to Sudbury schools.

I have not made a study of this, but people involved with Montessori schools tell me that there are rather big differences among them. Since the teachers have considerable power, schools and classrooms can vary considerably in quality and amount of freedom depending on the teacher. I know of some parents who moved their kids from Montessori schools to Sudbury schools, because the former gave their kids a taste of freedom in education, and then they wanted to go the whole way. I know of at least one adult who went from being a teacher in a Montessori school to a staff member in a Sudbury school for the same reason.

My answer here is probably more than you were looking for.

But, again,thank you for your comment and I wish you and your daughter well. It would be nice to hear from others who have had experience with Montessori schools.

-Peter

Timely article

Peter, this builds on an experience we had just yesterday. My daughter, age 11, who has been homeschooled her whole life (about 50/50 unschooled/parent-guided) went to an art class. When I picked her up, she was in tears. "Mom, the teacher talks, the kids listen, and then they just do the work. No one talks, or smiles, or has any say about what they are doing. It is UTTERLY CHEERLESS!" I said, that's school, sweetie.:) At the age of 11, she already understands that learning is about collaboration, and that the relational part is just as important as the content. How do so many adults miss that?

Learning in nature

My daughter and son, ages 8 and 7 respectively, recently attended their first day of an outdoor "freeschool" that meets once a week at various outdoor locations. This is my blog excerpt describing their first day:

I'm really new to homeschooling and just learning the ropes. This particular program was the wild card among the classes the kids are taking this fall. It is the least structured activity in their schedule, and the longest. The kids show up with their gear at 10AM. They’re greeted by their “nature guides/counselors” and off they go. I pick them up 6 hours later. Done. For me a much needed break. For them...?

I don’t think anyone would argue against the concept that learning is a life-long endeavor. If I could gift one trait to my kids it would be love of learning. Homeschooling allows me to tailor their classes and my primary goal is developing this love. Attention span is an issue with both of my kids. At home we do very few “academic” exercises that last more than 20 minutes. Do I think the ability to attend for long periods of time is important? Of course! And I also know that both of my kids will develop this ability…in time. For me it is more important for them to enjoy what they are doing, without the constant pressure to “keep at it for just a few more minutes.” When they are engaged they ARE focused.

There are very few places where my kids can stay focused for hours on end. As it turns out music is not the only thing that soothes the savage beast…being out in nature helps too! One might ask, “With all that outdoor, unstructured time, are they really learning anything?” Today that same seed of doubt plagued me with a palpable twinge of anxiety as I dropped the kids off at the farm (I had 6 hours to mull this over!)

Thankfully my fears were swiftly and deftly washed down river at the end of the day. At exactly 4PM my kids ran toward me with dirty bodies, mud-caked shoes, unidentified natural objects tangled in their hair, and the look of unmistakable joy on their faces. During the car ride home the air was filled with backseat chatter: “Rhubarb tastes so bitter…the Ohlone Indians painted their faces using rocks and water…I learned how to pick up a chicken today and…it is so important to thank the trees when we take their precious leaves.”

If my kids can thank the trees, then I can thank Mother Nature for embracing my children and providing the world’s best classroom.

engage in real work in the real world

After trying to make public schools work for our four kids, we chose homeschooling. Learning and growing around all sorts of interesting people is how humanity has always flourished. I'm a big fan of free play and time in nature, but I think it's also important to recognize that young people want very much to develop their own capabilities, which often happens as they take part in meaningful work. Here's what happened to one little boy who pestered neighbors to "do stuff." http://lauragraceweldon.com/2011/11/09/mentor-fancy-name-for-grown-ups-k...

Doing stuff

Thanks, Laura, for sharing this great essay. Yes, kids do want to "do stuff," real stuff, that makes a difference. And as they get older (maybe ten into the teens) they want part-time jobs, real ones, outside the home, that earn them some money and give them a bit of financial independence of their parents. It's too bad the jobs are no longer there.
-Peter

Another wonderful post

Thanks for your continued thoughtful postings about child-centered learning and unschooling!

-Kerry @ City Kids Homeschooling
http://cityhomeschooling.blogspot.com/

School

I hated school. I enjoyed a few classes but I attribute that to the teachers themselves. I made good grades if I put forth a little effort. Through high school I slept most of the time and got by. I attended private Christian schools, magnet, and public schools.

With my children, I decided to try homeschooling them early on. My two boys attended 2nd & 3rd grade in a public school, and we removed them after the first month of the second year. It was horrible. They hated it.

When you put your children into public school they become property of the state! Teachers and staff were aware of problems and no one ever felt the need to consult me, the parent! Bullying, abuse, and so forth. My youngest was 7 and cried every day for the first semester. I finally found out when he blurted it to me when he was angry and frustrated, he accused me of not taking him to the doctor to fix his problem. I confronted the teacher and he finally told me that my son would cry and say I don't belong here, every day. He would get sent to the nurse to calm down and she scolded him that I needed to take him to the doctor for his asthma! He didn't have asthma, he hyperventaled from crying so much!

In Florida they spent much of the year studying for FCAT. FCAT did not relate to any actual instruction from their daily work. Teachers would print out worksheets off basic web sites just to send home busy work. I later found out that home work didn't even count, because it wouldn't be fare to the kids whose parents didn't help them or make sure they did it! The work sheets didn't even match what they worked on that day, half the time the boys didn't even know what the stuff was and here I was spending hours trying to teach them at night. I thought they just weren't paying attention!! I never saw a single text book, they didn't have any!! They got one block a week for PE which was instructed outdoor time, no play ground or slides or fun..That's it...

We have used a self directed approach, the kids engage in things that interest them, I provide as much guidance, resources, and tools as I can, along with any outside activities that relate to their areas of interest. They do volunteer work and are great with the public and engaging meaningful conversation with any age group! We are using online courses to begin more traditional courses, just for the basics. They are in 7th and 9th grade now, as far as traditional grade levels/ages go.

I decided along time ago to delay math instruction in the early years. After much researching it seemed to make the most sense to me. They can now see how math relates to real life important things like finances and traveling and other areas of their interests. They can relate to it, learn what they need to know, and actually put it to real life use!

One site I frequent is www.schoolandstate.org
That's our history in a nutshell. Just wanted to share.

delay school!

I think we send kids to school too early. Let them roam and play and learn the world until they're, oh, 10 years old. They will learn everything we teach them today in those early elementary years very quickly, because they're developmentally ready for it. They will already have learned to read, write and do arithmetic, most likely, as those skills are needed in everyday life. If not, they'll pick it up much more easily than they do at 5 or 6, and won't have to deal with the repeated failures that do so much harm to late developers.

Of course this means we won't need several years of teachers, and we will need a parent or other caretaker to stay with the kids, but if it's the good of the children we're after, it's worth it.

Being honest about one's own school experience

A friend and I were talking about this very thing this week--how we and our husbands came to the decision to homeschool. As we considered what to do about our children's education, we looked back on our own school lives, and realized how unhappy they had been. This realization became a huge part of our decisions for our own kids. Two of mine have now graduated university, and not a day goes by that they don't thank me, in some way, for never having sent them to school when they were young. They didn't realize, they say, until they got to university and spent time with their schooled peers, just how miserable an experience school usually is.

evolutionary match and mis-match

It's good to see the problem of evolutionary mismatch addressed so directly. Although you generally emphasize the drives to learn through play, you also seem to attribute the playfulness of the hunter-gatherer culture to the culture itself, saying that the playful approach is deliberately extended (cultivated) beyond childhood so as to maintain egalitarianism, am I right? I think the peacefulness and bent towards partnership rather than domination of these societies could be seen as expressions of evolutionary match, between on one hand the genetically accumulated expectations to cultural interaction and on the other what is actually experienced, much as Jean Liedloff observed it among the Yecuanas. I believe it's very important to appreciate our initial state of dignity and competence when we enter this world, to properly judge how degrading is the education we receive. So when you state (elsewhere) that "the egalitarian, non-autocratic, highly cooperative way of living did not occur just naturally" and that "it cannot be attributed simply to a benign human nature, corrupted in us by modern social institutions" I feel compelled to object. It seems problematic to me the way we automatically think of cultural evolution as something separate from natural evolution. I think, much in the vein of Daniel Quinn (if I got him right), that culture can be subject to natural selection, and in that I might agree with you, that it emerges as a means to improve the chances of survival, but I think it can only do so on a basis of "fulfilled expectations" within a continuum of experience, in the terms of JL. I sincerely believe that the state of distress we're currently in, is due to our "benign" nature not being recognized, and the institution responsible for this could very well be the very modern one of agriculture. BTW it seems to be a problem that we only have the agricultural metaphor to deal with the phenomena of culture ('soil that has been tilled'), much as you have pointed out is the case with education. I hope I've made sense, and I hope you consider this a valuable contributions, as I much esteem the work you are doing.

Ela

Match and mismatch

Thank you, Ela, for this very thoughtful comment. I don't have time here to fully address it, but you might look at Christopher Boehm's book, "Hierarchy in the Forest" and my article on "Play as the Foundation for Hunter-Gatherer Society" (available at the American Jornal of Play website, 2009 publication, or from the biography page of my blog here).

I believe that these two works present good evidence that hunter-gatherers had to work deliberately to create and maintain peaceful, egalitarian conditions; they couldn't just assume they would happen naturally. For example, they deliberately shamed any young man who acted too big for his loin cloth, to deflate his ego, because they recognized that such men are dangerous if allowed to continue in their self-centered ways.

The evidence to me suggests that we inherited from our primate ancestors the general tendency toward dominance, but, as humans needing to share and cooperate more fully than any other primates, we developed mechanisms--both culturally and to some degree biologically--to counteract those dominance tendencies. My own contribution to the evolutionary discussion on this is my claim that a major development, both biologically and culturally, was extension of the play drive into adulthood, which is a wonderful tool for counteracting the drive to dominate.

-- I hope this makes sense.

-Peter

freedom and dignity

- and thank you, Peter for taking the time to answer, and for advise. I already read your paper, though, which is the one I'm citing. Still, I want to argue, that this fierce egalitarianism (which I observe daily in my children) translates a feeling of dignity, which I believe to be intrinsic (and consisting the "benign"). Doesn't the reverse-dominance express an emotional resistance on the part of the dominated/humiliated/potentially threatened, to the selfishness of others? A selfishness that, likewise, could be viewed as just another expression of vexation? As you say, play is what counters dominance, exactly because it embraces both freedom and dignity. That's why it makes us human.
I really don't believe that we are driven, as such, to dominate, it's clearly a resort we have, to combat whatever threatens our sense of self, but it's not what makes the world go round-

thanks once again
Ela

I agree

Ela, I think we pretty much agree here. Yes, I do think that the reverse dominance expresses an emotional resistance to the selfish others. But it is cultivated in hunter-gatherer cultures much more than in other culture. I'm looking at the Occupy movement right now and wondering if it might be construed as a reverse-dominance movement. The attempt, quite appropriately, is to shame the selfish 1% who hold so much power and seem to care so little for those who are hurt.
-Peter

Classist nonsense!

All very well and good for parents who are well to do and educated, but what about those who are not? If parents speak no English, how will the children learn? If the vocabularies and grammar of the parents are poor, how will the children learn to speak well? If there are no books in the house, what will they read? If the education of the parents ceased at 3rd or 6th grade, and much of what they learned has been forgotten, how will the kids learn to multiply and divide or borrow and carry in arithmetic?

The challenge for America is not how to educate the children of the wealthy and educated, but how to educate the children of the bottom 80%. They'll be paying my social security, and it's in my best interest (and yours) to make sure they have skills, too.

reply to 'classist nonsense'

many kids who learn at home do fall into the lower 80% as you describe it, due to the single parent income while the other parent nurtures the child in the home. neither my husband or i have a degree, we are not "rich" and our kids are positivley thriving in their unschooling learning environment. there is much art created, many books come home from the library, we take many outings on foot and by bike, there are gardens to grow and pets to care for. they don't use video games or technology yet. wealth has little to do with the ability to create an environment where children can carve their own educational paths with their burning desire to discover, uncover and be in a state of wonder. and through their journey, i have the opportunity to gradually shed away the negativity i developed around school, and its' damaging teachings.

learning is beautiful and satisfying, and i feel blessed to have opened up our minds and worlds in this way.

reply to 'classist nonsense'

many kids who learn at home do fall into the lower 80% as you describe it, due to the single parent income while the other parent nurtures the child in the home. neither my husband or i have a degree, we are not "rich" and our kids are positivley thriving in their unschooling learning environment. there is much art created, many books come home from the library, we take many outings on foot and by bike, there are gardens to grow and pets to care for. they don't use video games or technology yet. wealth has little to do with the ability to create an environment where children can carve their own educational paths with their burning desire to discover, uncover and be in a state of wonder. and through their journey, i have the opportunity to gradually shed away the negativity i developed around school, and its' damaging teachings.

learning is beautiful and satisfying, and i feel blessed to have opened up our minds and worlds in this way.

Who is the *classist*?

Let me get this straight.

Poor people need to be educated so that THEY can pay for YOUR retirement?

Are you their feudal lord or something?

Children of any income

Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I read "Prescription for Rebellion" by Robert Lindner, which had some similar points. The general concept from early in the book is that children are not learning a sense of self and therefore are only learning to think as part of a group/gang. Traditionally when children hit puberty they spent time working out who they are to themselves and therefore able to determine how they should interact with society.

In my opinion that makes a lot of sense. By removing the growing child's opportunity to learn who they are we remove the inclination to do anything more than what the group is doing or what they are told to do.

I did enjoy going to school because it gave me a social outlet for me to learn more about myself and what I enjoyed. I rebelled against all the extracurricular activities my father forced me to do because I didn't identify with them and through failing to connect with the groups I loathed participating and learned very little from the experiences at the time. In retrospect the few of the skill I learned from that time I enjoy now, but would have learned those skills more quickly and enjoyed the events had I been able to do so in a medium I could relate through.

It doesn't matter where they live, if a child isn't interested in doing something they won't take away much from the experience. How often do you hear a child tell you something that happened during a class they don't like? The stories they relate are from the experiences they enjoy. Family wealth is only limiting if the environment makes it a obstacle.

The Desire to Learn

Anonymous wrote:
Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this mindset.

So, if a kid isn't encouraged to learn to walk, they'll never try? If someone doesn't sit down with a child and "teach" them to talk or "enable" them to learn how to communicate, they'll never say a word? I think this goes right along with the traditional school belief that a kid is an empty vessel that needs to be filled properly. I also believe it is false. Just the fact that humans walk and talk seem to disprove this notion...

If evolution has done one thing, it has "enabled" the young within every species with a way to survive. In humans, that survival is learning. To be honest, you can't keep a child from learning - at any age and in any environment. Children learn from everything they see & do, touch & taste. Children will learn how to fit into their environment, whether that environment is surrounded with books or farm animals.

The idea that children, as empty vessels, will walk around living and remain empty is quite absurd to me. If our evolutionary desire to learn wasn't present, I don't think we would be having this conversation right now because computers wouldn't exist. Part of what makes us human is our ability to learn, and to think creatively about what we've learned.

What has assisted me in my relationship with my children is to never separate the idea of living with the idea of learning - they can't be separated! Any activity in life that anyone does puts new information in our brain that wasn't there before. THAT'S learning.

We can honor our children (which teaches them to honor others!) by recognizing that they WANT to learn. They WANT to be a part of our society. They WANT to be accepted and appreciated and important. They are looking to us to model how to do so. If we don't give them freedom to decide how they want to participate in society, we are doing them (and the future of the planet) a great disservice.

To the Vision of Truth,

STarr

The Desire to Learn

Anonymous wrote:
Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this mindset.

So, if a kid isn't encouraged to learn to walk, they'll never try? If someone doesn't sit down with a child and "teach" them to talk or "enable" them to learn how to communicate, they'll never say a word? I think this goes right along with the traditional school belief that a kid is an empty vessel that needs to be filled properly. I also believe it is false. Just the fact that humans walk and talk seem to disprove this notion...

If evolution has done one thing, it has "enabled" the young within every species with a way to survive. In humans, that survival is learning. To be honest, you can't keep a child from learning - at any age and in any environment. Children learn from everything they see & do, touch & taste. Children will learn how to fit into their environment, whether that environment is surrounded with books or farm animals.

The idea that children, as empty vessels, will walk around living and remain empty is quite absurd to me. If our evolutionary desire to learn wasn't present, I don't think we would be having this conversation right now because computers wouldn't exist. Part of what makes us human is our ability to learn, and to think creatively about what we've learned.

What has assisted me in my relationship with my children is to never separate the idea of living with the idea of learning - they can't be separated! Any activity in life that anyone does puts new information in our brain that wasn't there before. THAT'S learning.

We can honor our children (which teaches them to honor others!) by recognizing that they WANT to learn. They WANT to be a part of our society. They WANT to be accepted and appreciated and important. They are looking to us to model how to do so. If we don't give them freedom to decide how they want to participate in society, we are doing them (and the future of the planet) a great disservice.

To the Vision of Truth,

STarr

The Desire to Learn

Anonymous wrote:
Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this mindset.

So, if a kid isn't encouraged to learn to walk, they'll never try? If someone doesn't sit down with a child and "teach" them to talk or "enable" them to learn how to communicate, they'll never say a word? I think this goes right along with the traditional school belief that a kid is an empty vessel that needs to be filled properly. I also believe it is false. Just the fact that humans walk and talk seem to disprove this notion...

If evolution has done one thing, it has "enabled" the young within every species with a way to survive. In humans, that survival is learning. To be honest, you can't keep a child from learning - at any age and in any environment. Children learn from everything they see & do, touch & taste. Children will learn how to fit into their environment, whether that environment is surrounded with books or farm animals.

The idea that children, as empty vessels, will walk around living and remain empty is quite absurd to me. If our evolutionary desire to learn wasn't present, I don't think we would be having this conversation right now because computers wouldn't exist. Part of what makes us human is our ability to learn, and to think creatively about what we've learned.

What has assisted me in my relationship with my children is to never separate the idea of living with the idea of learning - they can't be separated! Any activity in life that anyone does puts new information in our brain that wasn't there before. THAT'S learning.

We can honor our children (which teaches them to honor others!) by recognizing that they WANT to learn. They WANT to be a part of our society. They WANT to be accepted and appreciated and important. They are looking to us to model how to do so. If we don't give them freedom to decide how they want to participate in society, we are doing them (and the future of the planet) a great disservice.

To the Vision of Truth,

STarr

The Desire to Learn

Anonymous wrote:
Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this mindset.

So, if a kid isn't encouraged to learn to walk, they'll never try? If someone doesn't sit down with a child and "teach" them to talk or "enable" them to learn how to communicate, they'll never say a word? I think this goes right along with the traditional school belief that a kid is an empty vessel that needs to be filled properly. I also believe it is false. Just the fact that humans walk and talk seem to disprove this notion...

If evolution has done one thing, it has "enabled" the young within every species with a way to survive. In humans, that survival is learning. To be honest, you can't keep a child from learning - at any age and in any environment. Children learn from everything they see & do, touch & taste. Children will learn how to fit into their environment, whether that environment is surrounded with books or farm animals.

The idea that children, as empty vessels, will walk around living and remain empty is quite absurd to me. If our evolutionary desire to learn wasn't present, I don't think we would be having this conversation right now because computers wouldn't exist. Part of what makes us human is our ability to learn, and to think creatively about what we've learned.

What has assisted me in my relationship with my children is to never separate the idea of living with the idea of learning - they can't be separated! Any activity in life that anyone does puts new information in our brain that wasn't there before. THAT'S learning.

We can honor our children (which teaches them to honor others!) by recognizing that they WANT to learn. They WANT to be a part of our society. They WANT to be accepted and appreciated and important. They are looking to us to model how to do so. If we don't give them freedom to decide how they want to participate in society, we are doing them (and the future of the planet) a great disservice.

To the Vision of Truth,

STarr

The Desire to Learn

Anonymous wrote:
Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this mindset.

So, if a kid isn't encouraged to learn to walk, they'll never try? If someone doesn't sit down with a child and "teach" them to talk or "enable" them to learn how to communicate, they'll never say a word? I think this goes right along with the traditional school belief that a kid is an empty vessel that needs to be filled properly. I also believe it is false. Just the fact that humans walk and talk seem to disprove this notion...

If evolution has done one thing, it has "enabled" the young within every species with a way to survive. In humans, that survival is learning. To be honest, you can't keep a child from learning - at any age and in any environment. Children learn from everything they see & do, touch & taste. Children will learn how to fit into their environment, whether that environment is surrounded with books or farm animals.

The idea that children, as empty vessels, will walk around living and remain empty is quite absurd to me. If our evolutionary desire to learn wasn't present, I don't think we would be having this conversation right now because computers wouldn't exist. Part of what makes us human is our ability to learn, and to think creatively about what we've learned.

What has assisted me in my relationship with my children is to never separate the idea of living with the idea of learning - they can't be separated! Any activity in life that anyone does puts new information in our brain that wasn't there before. THAT'S learning.

We can honor our children (which teaches them to honor others!) by recognizing that they WANT to learn. They WANT to be a part of our society. They WANT to be accepted and appreciated and important. They are looking to us to model how to do so. If we don't give them freedom to decide how they want to participate in society, we are doing them (and the future of the planet) a great disservice.

To the Vision of Truth,

STarr

The Desire to Learn

Anonymous wrote:
Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this mindset.

So, if a kid isn't encouraged to learn to walk, they'll never try? If someone doesn't sit down with a child and "teach" them to talk or "enable" them to learn how to communicate, they'll never say a word? I think this goes right along with the traditional school belief that a kid is an empty vessel that needs to be filled properly. I also believe it is false. Just the fact that humans walk and talk seem to disprove this notion...

If evolution has done one thing, it has "enabled" the young within every species with a way to survive. In humans, that survival is learning. To be honest, you can't keep a child from learning - at any age and in any environment. Children learn from everything they see & do, touch & taste. Children will learn how to fit into their environment, whether that environment is surrounded with books or farm animals.

The idea that children, as empty vessels, will walk around living and remain empty is quite absurd to me. If our evolutionary desire to learn wasn't present, I don't think we would be having this conversation right now because computers wouldn't exist. Part of what makes us human is our ability to learn, and to think creatively about what we've learned.

What has assisted me in my relationship with my children is to never separate the idea of living with the idea of learning - they can't be separated! Any activity in life that anyone does puts new information in our brain that wasn't there before. THAT'S learning.

We can honor our children (which teaches them to honor others!) by recognizing that they WANT to learn. They WANT to be a part of our society. They WANT to be accepted and appreciated and important. They are looking to us to model how to do so. If we don't give them freedom to decide how they want to participate in society, we are doing them (and the future of the planet) a great disservice.

To the Vision of Truth,

STarr

The Desire to Learn

Anonymous wrote:
Children of any income bracket will fail to learn if not encouraged to do so. It doesn't matter how wealthy the household, if the child is not enabled to educate or learn then they will have no inclination to do so.

I'm sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with this mindset.

So, if a kid isn't encouraged to learn to walk, they'll never try? If someone doesn't sit down with a child and "teach" them to talk or "enable" them to learn how to communicate, they'll never say a word? I think this goes right along with the traditional school belief that a kid is an empty vessel that needs to be filled properly. I also believe it is false. Just the fact that humans walk and talk seem to disprove this notion...

If evolution has done one thing, it has "enabled" the young within every species with a way to survive. In humans, that survival is learning. To be honest, you can't keep a child from learning - at any age and in any environment. Children learn from everything they see & do, touch & taste. Children will learn how to fit into their environment, whether that environment is surrounded with books or farm animals.

The idea that children, as empty vessels, will walk around living and remain empty is quite absurd to me. If our evolutionary desire to learn wasn't present, I don't think we would be having this conversation right now because computers wouldn't exist. Part of what makes us human is our ability to learn, and to think creatively about what we've learned.

What has assisted me in my relationship with my children is to never separate the idea of living with the idea of learning - they can't be separated! Any activity in life that anyone does puts new information in our brain that wasn't there before. THAT'S learning.

We can honor our children (which teaches them to honor others!) by recognizing that they WANT to learn. They WANT to be a part of our society. They WANT to be accepted and appreciated and important. They are looking to us to model how to do so. If we don't give them freedom to decide how they want to participate in society, we are doing them (and the future of the planet) a great disservice.

To the Vision of Truth,

STarr

Is there an Occupy Movement

Is there an Occupy Movement missing a spokesperson? How about a Marxist meeting?

Great article. Have been

Great article. Have been autonomously educating my children for 7 years and wouldn't have it any other way.

I'm currently a senior in a

I'm currently a senior in a public high school. One of the most common questions that we ask is, "Where will we use this in real life?" To which the most common answer is that we'll need it for a class that we have to take in the next year of school.

Throughout high school, the core classes of math and English have been taught "for the test". Our whole schooling system revolves around standardized testing. Many of the students who get great grades and do well on these tests, have no common sense or creativity when it comes to problem solving.

Our teachers call us lazy, disrespectful, and warn us that in college, "no one will spoon-feed you like we do." One teacher I have who told us that his class will prepare us for college doesn't really teach. He gives us notes to memorize and tells us when our test is. High school doesn't teach us how it will be in the real world, but it teaches us what we'll need to know for more schooling (and what we need to know for the school to get funding from the government).

I've been lucky to have a parent that let my brother and me "run wild". After the age of seven, my father never punished me. He let me figure things out for myself, never telling me what to do, and never helping me unless I asked for it. My brother and I never had chores and we only had family dinners on Tuesday, leaving us to make our own meals and manage our own time. We both knew, though, that my father would always be there to help us whenever we got in over our heads. My father saw school as a necessary evil. He was happy and praised us if we showed him or told him about anything good we did at school, but he never asked to see our grades. If we got in trouble in school, he didn't get angry, but told us that we had to behave, because school was something that everyone has to go through, no matter how stupid we think it is. It was a bit extreme, and not all children would thrive in this situation, but it taught my brother and I more than we've ever learned in school.

From my years in school, the most important lessons that I have learned are that there will always be people that you don't like, that you have to learn to get along with; and that there will always be rules that you have to follow, even if you don't agree with them.

The only reason that I feel confident in going out into the real world on my own in June, has everything to do with parenting, and nothing to do with school.

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Peter Gray, Ph.D., a research professor of psychology at Boston College, is a specialist in developmental and evolutionary psychology and author of an introductory textbook, Psychology.

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