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The Human Nature of Teaching II: What Can We Learn from Hunter-Gatherers?

Hunter-gatherers did not teach by coercion and generally did not attempt to direct their children's learning. Yet they did teach, in ways that preserved children's feelings of security, trust, trustworthiness, and personal autonomy. Here is how they did it. Read More

This should be required reading for all teachers!

What a wonderful summing up of the most basic and most brilliant thoughts on teaching. Really. Works for the aborginies, works for everyone.

As a homeschooling mother I grapple with the question of teaching all the time. Ideally, children would be raised in natural environments and communities that support these methods of teaching. Alas, that's far from the case both in schools and in homeschooling.

BTW I'm really drawn to Peter's point number 2 about providing children with "cultural tools." I think the intellect is developed through practicing with these "tools." In this very anti-intellectual culture perhaps if we talk about "cultural tools" people might warm up to the idea of intellectual development!

Insights to and for developmental sport psychology

Peter,

If you travel north from Boston, into Nova Scotia, Canada, there rests a small island connected by a causeway to the mainland. It is a rural, tucked away community with a pop. of ~650. This community has been perhaps one of the most successful sporing communities in Canada, with the local schools winning numerous championships and developing many athletes. I just finished a scientific case study of this community for the completion of my masters degree. I think you would be quite intrigued by the findings, as they support much of what you have said. Although instruction was obviously used in the community, by far, the majority of learning occurred through social learning/role modelling. The community revolved around sport. Sport became/aligned with the moral system of the community, held mostly together by a intense rivalry with a neighbouring community. Role modelling was increasingly facilitated by adults in the community, who were motivated to self-sacrifice for the community sporting needs. On the whole this created a very interwoven system that, I believe, led to its sporting success.

I have a question: We now know that selection has increased within the past 10,000 years. Sloan-Wilson, Haidt and others suggest that cultural group level selection may have shaped human psychology. Could the idea be entertained, that as a form of niche construction, certain motivations evolved to sustain the moral system of the group, specifically leadership behaviours for creating "opportunities" for the youth, rather than "instruction".

Group selection

Shea, thank you for bringing your research to our attention. It sounds interesting. I'm not quite certain that I understand your question. I'm sure that David Sloan Wilson would agree that the natural selection (including group-level natural selection) that produced our moral tendencies and that also produced our tendencies to preserve our groups in all sorts of ways, came about over a much longer period than 10,000 years. I may be missing your point, howevr. If so, please feel free to elaborate. Best wishes, Peter

Deficient Personality Traits Flourish in Modern Times

My trouble with understanding the evolution of man until our contemporary times is how he came to be as he is today? I have read a few other articles from other esteemed anthropologists and their debate with psychologists over the development of the human psyche and find it difficult to believe that for 99% of our progression we lived in patient and egalitarian communities. Yet in the last 1%, or post-Agriculture [as I believe you put it] some of the more ugly human traits have risen to the surface to dominate modern communities.
In one of the other articles the author had referenced the belief that alpha males were cast out and those who conveyed selfish tendencies were ostracized by the HG communities as well. Genetically speaking these traits [if they were genetic] would have obviously been obscured as those outside of the community most likely perished due to man's certain lack of success in independent survival.
My questions are how come these (virtuous) traits seem obsolete now for man? Is nurture really the greatest developmental tool in terms of this egalitarian philosophy in HG societies? Do people today simply conform to whatever the mentality of our current sovereign societies deem necessary, therefore our more hideous qualities are accentuated [particularly certain capitalistic nations]?
I know that all you can answer is in theory if at all, but I am perplexed by how man seems to have become much more egocentric in his lat one percent of evolution which strikes me as a regression.

Good question

Good question, Mike. All we really know for sure is that all of those band-based hunter-gatherer groups that made it into modern times and were studied by anthropologists had the characteristics I described. Many but not all archeologists believe that those band societies represent our species' predominant way of living prior to agriculture. It may be that people lived in a variety of ways. For example, some may have been more sedentary, living off of rich localized food sources (like the Northwest coast Native Americans living on salmon). Those groups could have developed hierarchical societies, which would have set the conditions for dominance, war, etc. It is also true that none of our ape relatives (including bonobos) are egalitarians. They all develop hierarchical power structures. Thus, the tendency toward hierarchy was deeply implanted in our genes long before we were humans. The amazing thing is that so many groups of hunter-gatherers figured out how to counter that. .... I'm thinking of devoting my next post to this issue--even though it takes me off my main theme of children's learning and education. I have a theory about it that I'd like to try out.
-Peter

HG vs Agriculture Values

Interesting questions, Mike. My own studies of psychology (which admittedly pale in comparison to others on the site thus far) have lead me to a possible conclusion here. HG societies shared everything. Food, water, clothing - all resources belonged to the collective group. Sharing was essential to the survival of an HG group. Hunters and gatherers provided food sources to everyone, including crafters who provided the tools for hunters. Others made shelters, clothing, etc. If one group within a community failed to share with the others the community as a whole starved.

Agriculture changed all of that. Now, one person was capable of providing both domesticated meat as well as non-meat food to themselves. At the same time, since one person could now feed an entire family, a partner could focus on clothing and tools. Food and the tools to cultivate it became "mine" as opposed to "ours."

Farmers - especially those raising both crops and domestic animals - have no compelling need to share their food or other resources. Thus, they require some extra incentive - namely, something else of value - in order to share. Perhaps a tool maker provides farming tools. Or in the case of the modern world, money, in exchange for food. With the rise of agriculture food and the other items essential for human survival became, for possibly the first time in human history, personal as opposed to communal belongings.

Where sharing in HG communities was necessary for survival, sharing in the earliest ages of agriculture worked against personal survival. Farmers who shared food without receiving something of value in return - and in particular something of value to their own role as a farmer and provider of food - risked food shortages and starvation. Thus we might consider that it was the rise of agriculture itself, which first "taught" our species the "value" of greed and the "need" for hoarding our personal belongings.

Effect of agriculture

Jason, I think your analysis is right on target. But it is, of course, a cultural argument. The argument rests on the assumption--which I think is the correct--that we have the genetic potential to go either way, toward egalitarianism or hierarchy and even despotism, depending on environmental conditions. If you'd like to see more of my thoughts on this, see my article on hunter-gathers that is available as a PDF on my biographical page (which you can get to by clicking on my photo). -Peter

fascinating subject

As an unschooling mom I didn't know I was being hunter gatherer, but my kids have pretty much free access to the tools of our house and farm. Out of the handful of edible weeds I know, which we harvest along with the veggies in the garden, I have shown my daughters, 5 and 7, maybe once or twice how to identify them. Then they have brought them to me to verify their own findings. Now they are teaching their toddler brother how to get the nectar from the wild honeysuckle that grows on the fence.

The hunter gatherer culture intrigues me. We in the US have been trained to associate communism with dictatorships, yet capitalism has also been far from egalitarian and democratic. I think it is the Western value system, the imperialist ego, that nature and humans must be tamed and controlled through hierarchical institutions, which have prevented true equality. It is based on fear, or anxiety as you mentioned, and not on trust and mutuality.

communism and dictatorship

Interesting thought, Sara. The evils that we attribute to communism were really the evils of dictatorship. You might enjoy anthropologist Richard Lee's chapter, "Reflections on primitive communism," which explains how communism worked so well (and indeed was essential for survival) for hunter-gatherers. You can find it in T. Ingold, D. Riches & J. Woodburn (Eds.) book, Hunters and Gatherers I (1988). -Peter

Thank you, Peter, for a great

Thank you, Peter, for a great article. And so far a fascinating discussion, which really stands out from the usual flame wars that constitute comment sections around the Web.

II'm currently re-reading Sarah Blaffer Hrdy's book "Mother Nature: a history of mothers, infants, and natural selection". From her writings and others, I don't get this rosy view that HG societies were all living in some sort of peaceful paradise. This point is raised by some when responding to articles like Peter's here, but it's a straw man - I don't think any serious student of anthropology would suggest that life pre-agriculture was always a bowl of cherries. Humans appear to have exhibited considerable variation in their cultural beliefs and practices (particularly in terms of mating, the role and power of women, dominance of males, acceptance of violence and warfare, etc) and some societies didn't seem to me like ones I would enjoy living in, while others certainly had an air of Eden about them. I think what we can say, however, is that none of these societies attempted to forcibly educate their children (waste of precious time and resources), but instead relied on kids' natural ability to learn, and probably allowed that natural ability to flourish simply because it would never have occurred to them to do otherwise (if it ain't broke...).

As I raise my children, who have never been to school and completely direct their own learning (unschooled), I see in them this natural ability and drive to learn whatever they see is important in our culture (which not only includes manual skills, but the so-called "academics" such as reading, writing, and math). We modern people have lost sight of this innate ability to learn; most have never seen a truly unschooled child and most have no idea what natural learning looks like. Studying HG societies is a good way to bring that picture to more minds. However, one need only observe unschooled children to see the very same mechanisms, instincts, and behaviours at work in the modern child that were likely at work in a child living 50,000 years ago. Quite something!

Good point

Good point. I may, for my next post, digress from this series on natural teaching and say something about hunter-gatherers in general, distinguishing between the egalitarian nomadic groups and non-egalitarian sedentary groups, and present some thoughts on what all that has to do with understanding human nature. I do think that hierarchical structure in society does, in general, change parents' relationships with their children. Childrearing becomes oriented more toward obedience training in societies where adults themselves are stratified into different classes by wealth and power. -Peter

Question

Great article! I have learned quite a bit from your posts. I have one question about the lesson of this article in a modern context: my kids seem to gravitate towards screens (TV, computer, gameboy, etc.) when self directed. How do you reconcile self directed learning when there are these distractions (assuming you categorize them as such).

Thanks!

I feel that screen devices

I feel that screen devices are evoltuionary novel, and that children cannot self-regulate them properly. I wouldn't expect a child to grow up healthy if they had open access to junk food all the time. In the same way, I don't think open access to screens allows the natural learning mechanisms to work properly.

You may feel that . . . but you are making the positive claim, so . . .

You may feel that, but you are making the positive claim.

In practice what this means is that you are suggesting the some new feature (the latest new media or medium) behaves in a clearly different way than prior media which have appeared.

Your experimental hypothesis is that screen devices "break our software" in a way that none of the following developments in history (or the countless others I have not included) have broken our software;
Storytelling
Cave paintings
Clothing
Coiffure, body art and shaving
Singing
Poetry
Smoke signals
Architecture
Pigment usage
Jewelry
Burial decorations
Sculpting and figurative art
Dance
Drawing
Musical instruments
Bronze art
Drama
Ironworks
Theater
Spun thread
Mapmaking
Landscaping and agriculture
The written word
Distilling alcohol
Breadmaking
Animal husbandry
Cooking arts
Government
Numbering systems
Astronomy
Block printing
Signatures
Receipts and court records
Books/scrolls/tablets
Dyes
Monotheism
Libraries
Early democracies
Systems of mathematics and philosophy
Astrolabes
Taxation
Oil paints
Fireworks
Writing musical notation
Movable type
The novel
Modern republics
The sextant
Telegraph
First 'programmed' machinery (player pianos and the like)
"cheap" printing (mimeograph, etcetera)
Trans-continental telegraph
The telephone

All of this well before the first movies. So in order to take your question seriously, you must show something:
That, in fact, there is an actual difference between how people have coped with and benefited from the development of "screen" devices, and how they have coped with and benefited from all prior developments; and that they have clearly and demonstrably coped less well (e.g. that we are economically, intellectually or socially degenerate in clear ways compared to our state in 1890 when the very first moving pictures were being distributed). I think that you will have trouble demonstrating this.

If you cannot show it, then your complaints are as meaningless as the complains of those who thought that "ballet" was leading Europe into moral decay, the arguments of the Caliphate that believed the telegraph would lead them into moral decay (followed by similar arguments from that same group about every single development in the world since that time), the arguments against books put forward by Spartan mothers, etcetera, etcetera.

As far as *why* it is important that those making a *positive* claim successfulness refute the null hypothesis (rather than simply say that "it doesn't feel right", I refer you to the first chapter of a book by John Stuart Mill, that deals with the problem of defending a negative against a biased and irrational person -- http://www.constitution.org/jsm/women.htm

Yes, I am making a positive

Yes, I am making a positive claim, but you are reading way too much into it with your rant. Also, what are "my complaints"? I didn't make any complaints, as you didn't seem to read my argument before you went off the deep end, complete with telling me to read John Stuart Mill.

Obviously, screens ARE evoltuionarily novel as they weren't present in the Paleolithic. Wanting me to prove that "we are economically, intellectually or socially degenerate in clear ways compared to our state in 1890" is a broad generalization that is impossible to prove. Modern inventions have helped in some ways, while they have hurt in other ways.

So, on to the positive claim: why are rates of depression up? Why are rates of chronic disease and obesity skyrocketing? Don't think modern inventions have any thing to do with it?

Why does the American Academy of Pediatrics say that screen time should be limited? Maybe you should email them and find out why they reject your "null hypothesis".

screens & addiction

I guess one possible answer on this topic is bound to addiction. Seems that screens, just like junk food, are addictive. We as evolutionary organisms are not prepared to healthily deal with addictive things except for the natural (and wired?) ones such as inter-personal attachment. In this sense, yes, some newly available elements of modern life "break our program". Even for sensibly (non-)educated kids. We have no natural 'tao' (way) to esquive, neglect, or defend.
Just a supposition.
[PS: Educating about danger is no answer: we don't believe (consciously) in what we do not experience, except for normality in the sense of what is early fed into kid minds. Thus, the only response would be taboo?]

Media

And this new study shows minority children spned 13 hours a day engaged in electronic media:

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/parenting-family/story/2011/06/Minority-kid...

Looks addictive to me...

This is my question too

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Reply to GG, Matt & Clara,

I know that many people are concerned that their children spend so much time at screens. My approach to the problem, if there is a problem, would be to work to make sure that all children have options for real, free, self-directed, outdoor play. Today we live in a world where many children are not allowed freedom in the real world, so they play almost exclusively in the virtual world instead. Even those who are allowed to play freely outdoors don't find many other kids out there to play with. My experience is that when kids really do have friends to play with outdoors and interesting things to do there, they tend to balance outdoor play with indoor play (including computer play). It should be no surprise, of course, that kids are fascinated by computers and spend hours per day with them. Computers are the number one tool of our culture right now. They are to us what bows and arrows or digging sticks were to hunter-gatherers. Kids learn an enormous amount in such play. At some point I'm planning to write an essay summarizing some of the research findings on this. -Peter

Tools of the culture

I agree whole heartedly with the notion that children need to play with the tools of their culture in order to learn and to successfully integrate into that culture.
Could you please comment about the difference between the tools that are/were used in traditional cultures that were passed along to the children directly from adults with those children's best interest at heart, and those that are now widely available to children that have been passed to them by multinational corporations with no ties to these children, and whose interest is only in making money by selling their products? I'm wondering if we're not in the middle of a huge cultural experiment where there is no accountability for the free access to these tools, and I can't help but worry that giving children free reign to do as they please with them won't have catastrophic consequences.

Cultural tools indeed!

I couldn't agree more with what you're getting at. It is almost devastating to witness your children being drawn into the "cultural" black hole of corporations that do not have the best interest of children at heart (to put it mildly!). My main battle as a homeschooling mother is with this influence. There's only one consolation and that's this quote from Oscar Wilde: "We're all in the same gutter but some of us are looking at the stars." If I can manage to get my son, force him if I have to, to throw a glance toward those "stars" I have probably done well.

Corporate influence

I agree that there's a lot of junk out there being marketed for kids. Much of it is being marketed as "educational" and parents are buying it. My view is that if a child wants something enough to earn the money for it, or to in some other way demonstrate a real interest in it, then the child will probably use it and get something out of it. Stuff that's foisted on kids, which they don't want, is just waste. In general, when kids become deeply engrossed in something, they are learning something valuable. -Peter

Cultural Mentoring

I've been participating in a call series devoted to cultural mentoring - where techniques are drawn especially from intact cultures that still have a strong connection to nature. It's regularly mentioned that an intact hunter/gatherer culture is very effective at passing on that culture to subsequent generations, especially a connection to the nature/place where that culture lives, but this competency is usually unconscious. That is, the people who live it do what they know (having been taught/mentored in it), but they don't necessarily realize how it's working in practice.

One example of a cultural mentoring technique is called "story of the day" - In a traditional society after the children have spent the day wandering around (perhaps having been given a mission to collect some plant and bring it home), an elder will engage in a conversation with the children to find out about what they observed. Through the questioning/conversation, edges of awareness will be noted and stretched (the questions that couldn't be answered encouraging the child to pay more attention the next time). A child's natural curiosities will also be observed and encouraged.In addition, it helps that the reports brought back are useful for community. Over time, these conversations will result in a child learning (self-teaching) far more than they probably would have otherwise.

Though the specifics of the interaction are going to be different in different contexts, the "story of the day" principle can be effectively adapted to modern life.

Jon Young is the director of the program doing the call series and he has spent many years studying and practicing cultural mentoring techniques, especially as they apply to nature connection. Here's a brief video introduction to the call series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqJjYROhDs

There are other resources and such available as well. Including at the Wilderness Awareness School
http://www.wildernessawarenessschool.org/about_wilderness_awareness_scho...

I thought both parts of this

I thought both parts of this article were very interesting.

It has definitely been my experience that when we are doing physical things, gardening, working on the house, our son can be an interested observer and occasional helper, and has been since around age 2. And yes, he is allowed to use real tools for woodworking, and can safely use a chisel.

His interest in woodworking has waned recently (he's 4). Partly I'm sure this is just because interests are fluid, but partly I think it is also because we have run out of ideas for projects well suited to his abilities. This comes back to "Providing materials and conditions for practice" from the first part, which to me is one of the more interesting and underconsidered parts of education.

On the other hand when I want to do something which is non physical, reading, working on my research, using the computer, then my son quickly becomes a nusiance, not just getting in the way in a friendly manner, but continually urging me to stop. It is very understandable how these things are so different from his perspective, and evolutionarily, but so many of today's adult activities (including some of the most enjoyable ones) are this kind of more intangible activity. Does anyone have any ideas how to apply the philosophy of letting children observe and participate to intellectual pursuits?

Returning to "Providing materials and conditions for practice", I spend a certain amount of my time doing just the sort of so-called teaching you disparage, specifically university level lecturing in a techinical field, but I never though of the lectures themselves as where the core of teaching takes place. The most important part in my view, and my favorite part of teaching, is making good problem sets. Before everyone runs and hides or thinks I am commenting on the wrong blog let me try to justify this.

Good problem sets are about problems which are interesting in their own right, hard but accessible given the level of the students, and which really show the structures we are exploring in the course. This is the same idea as the predators bringing back practice prey of appropriate difficulty. I don't remember much about the lectures I attended as an undergrad, but I remember, quite fondly, many of the problems I was set. They are where the learning takes place. Correspondingly, choosing them well is the heart of teaching technical subjects.

I probably haven't convinced anyone, but there you go.

Engagement with other kids

KY, thanks for these thoughts. It's interesting that you mention that your son is now 4. Four years old is the age when hunter-gatherer kids begin to spend most of their time with other kids, relatively little time with adults. The younger kids learn from interacting with the older kids. That's also what I've observed in my research at Sudbury Valley. The four-year-olds are playing computer games and many other sorts of games with somewhat older kids, and in the process are learning all kinds of intellectual things--reading, arithmetic, logic, how to pay attention, and so on and so on. One of my next posts in this series is going to be on the theme that, in general, when kids are free they learn more from their interactions with other kids than from their interactions with adults.

By the way, concerning your other point, I taught college courses regularly for 30 years. I agree with your point that probably the best thing we can do in this sort of teaching is to create engaging or present engaging ideas.

-Peter

"Have teachers read it???"

I'm a teacher. I don't choose what I teach; the state does. Teachers know wonderful things about how children learn, but we're not allowed to do anything about it because we are expected to pretend that all children can pass a test that's deliberately written in a way to cause half the children taking it to fail (in order to "prove" the bell curve). My ability to keep my job is based on how many of my students, most of whom only hear English in school, pass the test.

I have read about unschooling, after suddenly having both homeschooled and unschooled children in my classroom, and I understand how a child in the above H/G scenario is therefore prepared to take his or her place in society. My question is how is an unschooled child prepared to take his or her place in society? Is such a child limited to alternative professions that don't require any college education? And while it's great that such an option is open for those children who want that future, I still like the idea that there will still be people around with the other sorts of skills and education as well.

I make it clear to my fourth graders that it isn't my job to teach them everything, nor is that even possible. My job is to teach them ways to teach themselves, to introduce them to ideas and concepts that they wouldn't otherwise get to know, and to give them enough experiences that they can find something that interests them -- something they'll learn about on their own, just as I learned about things that interest me on my own. I want to make their world bigger so that they have the same opportunities and potential as middle class children from English-speaking homes. I also let them know that, according to the state, my only job is to make sure they pass the AIMS.

Unschoolers and Sudbury schoolers not limited in careers

Pawnhandler, thank you for your comments and question. My own research following up on Sudbury Valley School graduates shows that there are no limits on what they can do. They go on to all of the careers valued by our society. Those who want to go to college have no particular difficulty getting into college or doing well once there. Many have gone to highly prestigious colleges. This is relevant to your question, because Sudbury Valley is essentially an "unschooling school." You can see my post on Sudbury Valley if you scroll back to the early posts on this blog. The same is true for unschoolers who haven't gone to any school at all and haven't been schooled at home, but rather have been allowed to learn through their own self-directed play and exploration. If you look back at earlier posts on this blog you will see my explanations about how such learning occurs. Our schooling mentality greatly underestimates children's capacities to take responsibility for their own learning, and all too often that mentality becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. -Peter

if I may...

@pawnhandler: Unschooled kids can and do go to college and there is no profession that is not open to them should they choose to pursue it

@ScottDavid: Well said; I agree with you 100%. In our family, screen time is considered as valuable as any other pursuit; it is not demonized. My son's passion for gaming is given equal importance to his sister's passion for science. He enjoys a wide range of activities, likely because he's never been told that he "shouldn't" be playing (or playing so much) and also because he has plenty of free time for all the things he wants to do.

@KY: As a university instructor myself, and an unschooling parent, I don't consider university teaching to be quite so antithetical to natural learning. In theory, kids have a choice to be there, which already sets it apart from regular school. Second, they are essentially adults by the time they begin: they often have a good idea of what they want to do and see university as a necessary step towards that end. With that said, I do think that much of undergrad work is as rote and boring as regular schooling, but at least the "end" is more obvious with respect to the "means".

Grad school, on the other hand, is more heavily mentor-oriented and hands-on (at least in the sciences) and as such is quite a different experience from a high school classroom. My most successful and enjoyable teaching situations were when I mentored students in our research lab. I think mentorship should be given much higher priority in our education system (especially high school); in my experience it is a far better method for learning, and represents the closest situation we have to Natural Learning (i.e. that described in Peter's articles).

dangerous play

From my recollection of The Headman Was a Woman, I had the impression that there was rather more supervision of hunter gatherer children than what you're suggesting - especially regarding dangerous play. Dangerous play could involve something as simple as climbing tall trees - not necessarily involving exotic equipment.

Concerning dangerous play

In my reading of the anthropological literature on hunter-gatherers I have found, over and over, descriptions of very young children, even toddlers, playing with knives, axes, fire, etc. I have also seen films shown by hunter-gatherer researchers of toddlers engaged in such play. However, as you suggest, children that young are always in sight of adults. If the play became really dangerous, or if a child was hurt, an adult would step in. Until children are about four years old, they play essentially always in camp within sight of adults. However, beyond four years old, hunter-gatherer children regularly play in age-mixed groups away from camp, away from adults. In such settings I'm sure that the older kids look out for and help out the younger ones. The age mixing itself adds a big element of safety, I'm sure. -Peter

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Peter Gray, Ph.D., a research professor of psychology at Boston College, is a specialist in developmental and evolutionary psychology and author of an introductory textbook, Psychology.

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