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As mentioned in my previous post, there are certain inherent problems with applying the medical or disease model to mental disorders in general--and to depression in particular. If you follow this link, it will lead you to a fascinating, spirited and intellectually stimulating transcript of a televised debate featuring PT blogger Dr. Peter Kramer, Dr. Thomas Szasz and others on the controversial question of whether or not depression is a disease. Read More


















Depression as a Disease
I don't think that by calling depression a disease you are limiting it to a purely biological origin. I think that when someone becomes depressed, nature and nurture are intricately intertwined, in the same way that a person who develops heart disease has a genetic predisposition, coupled with an upbringing that brings that predisposition to the fore (taught to eat the wrong foods, not encouraged to exercise, etc.). And a person who becomes depressed can contribute to his recovery much in the same way that a coronary bypass patient can contribute to his.
Wendy Aron, author of Hide & Seek: How I Laughed at Depression, Conquered My Fears and Found Happiness
http://www.wendyaron.com
Identifying with the disease
I find it interesting that when people have pneumonia, they say they "have pneumonia" but if depressed, they do not say they "have depression", they say "I am depressed." No one says "I am tuberculosis."
Kramer's the cat's pajamas
Please don't bother trying to figure out depression just read Peter Kramer,he's done all the work for you already. Sincerely -David
When you label...
One of my favorite lines from a movie several years ago says, "When you label a child at risk, you've just created an at-risk child." That is the same for many of the "diseases," like depression. Yes, when you label a person as depressed, you've just created a depressed person. Labeling creates victimization and victimization means you are stuck, planted solid where you are, staring at many resources and tools, but giving yourself permission not to use them.
Yes, recovering from depression is VERY hard, and takes a lot of time. Solid commitment for change is the first step -- taking responsibility is second.
Thanks, Dr. Diamond! Great topic. =)
First of all, thank you Dr.
First of all, thank you Dr. Diamond for writing this two-part article. I found it very interesting and enlightening. Your two-pronged approach -- treating both the biochemical and the psychological causes of Depression -- seems quite reasonable, while still respectful to the patients and their needs.
Unfortunately, I cannot say the same of Dr. Ryan, with whom I must respectfully disagree. Let me start by owning up front that I'm not a doctor. I'm a patient. As such, I must question the professional opinion of any so highly educated person who would persist in putting the word "depression" in air quotes, protesting any application of a label as an automatic deterrent to the use of unnamed (yet apparently widely available) tools for treatment, and then insisting upon commitment to change and personal responsibility without listing any examples of what kinds of changes one is supposed to make or how one is supposed to claim responsibility for Depression. I doubt this opinion because it was my own uneducated, uninformed, biased opinion for the majority of my life. This stigmatizing view of Depression as an air-quoted illness, one that can be resolved simply by owning one's own actions and striving toward health and wellness, kept me from seeking treatment for two agonizing years. My mother might shamelessly seek treatment for her thyroid problems. My father might take a pill to keep his diabetes in check. For me to take that step and receive treatment, however, required me to brave exactly this sort of stigma. In order to get help, I had to sacrifice my own self-respect and the respect of others, including my own father, who share Dr. Ryan's view of Depression.
Seeking help was the best thing I ever did. I don't see myself as a victim. I don't think Depression gives me a free pass. I do, however, find that understanding Depression as a legitimate disease that can be treated gives me hope. For two years, I tried to take personal responsibility and to commit to change alone. With medicine and a supportive doctor to assist me, I find my commitment renewed rather than diminished. Every day, I struggle to do more than I did the day before. Every day, I meet and fight this disease head on. Every day, I make a little bit of progress. A significant part of that progress, however, is based on the biological view of Depression as a disease and the medicines that have been developed to treat it. Along with well-regulated sleep schedules, healthy diet and exercise regimens, and other habits of healthy people, biological and psychological treatments *are* among the available tools that Dr. Ryan recommends.
How are patients with Depression supposed to take responsibility for their own wellness if even experts like Dr. Ryan put the name of our disease in air quotes and claim that taking advantage of available treatments renders us somehow lacking in personal responsibility? It is vital to my own recovery and to the recovery of others like me that we not be so shamed by those with opinions like Dr. Ryan's that we refrain from taking advantage of these valuable resources. As a result, patients may suffer needlessly or even die. For that reason, I cannot agree with Dr. Ryan, however more learned than myself she may be.
Depression as a disease?
When I first told my general practictioner that I had seen a psychiatrist and was starting a prescription of anti-depressants, she replied with a comment about "your depression." It made me feel like I owned a mental disorder. I refuse to call depression a disease because it takes my power over my own thinking and hands it to a doctor and/or therapist. Bleck!
I'm glad it's recognized as
I'm glad it's recognized as a disease, then there will be less shame associated with it.
You are always in control of diseases, you can choose not to take blood pressure lowering medicine if you have hypertension, you have the choice of therapy in depression as well.
Depression
Dear Dr. Diamond,
Thank-you for all of your work and for sharing it freely with anyone with access to the internet.
Your two pieces on depression have described my experiences and beliefs about them to a T.
All the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again, but with the help of my psychiatrist and medication, I feel that I have been put together. Not again, but for the first time.
Yours truly,
Carolyn Jenkins
wonderful article
I loved reading this article and the comments.
It is so important to realize the unconscous does great service even in depression. The unconscioius allows the EGO to be less defensive and allow a person to seek help.
However, the problem is most psychiatrist use medicines to too much of an extreme and does not know that patients needs to become fully individualized and be not dependent on a person or a medicine. Most psychiatrist becomes a superego and not allow full self-actualization of patients.
yes, my profession is a psychiatrist, but i am more of a humanistic psychiatrist.
Response to Dr. Anonymous
Thanks very much for your comments. It is always heartening to hear from colleagues, especially psychiatrists like yourself, who try to take a more "humanistic" approach to treating depression than merely medicating it. Yes, Jung's comment that the emergence of the Self is always experienced as a defeat to the ego is very much to the point. It is the defeated or, perhaps more aptly, deflated ego that brings the depressed patient into treatment, forcing him or her to acknowledge the limitations of ego, rationality and intellectualism, as well as the powerful compensatory phenomenenon of what Freud called the "unconscious," what Jung referred to as the "shadow," and what Rollo May described as the "daimonic." Depending on how this recognition of the unconscious is handled in treatment, this "defeat" can be turned into a victory. If you are interested in getting more involved in humanistic or existential psychotherapy, check out the website of the Existential-Humanistic Institute in San Francisco, and have a look at the Journal of Humanistic Psychology, for which I serve as one of the editorial board members. For a more Jungian approach, see the websites of the International Society for Jungian Studies and your local C.G. Jung Institute, as well as the original in Zurich, Switzerland.
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