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Timothy A. Pychyl, Ph.D. is an associate professor of psychology at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada, where he specializes in the study of procrastination. See full bio

Comments on "East meets West: Zen, Choice and Procrastination"

East meets West: Zen, Choice and Procrastination

I've been struck by the response to my posting about failing to follow an intention, like the story of sleeping instead of getting out for the early-morning run. Readers have said that I have it wrong. I see it differently. It's not about choice. Read More

the nature of the relationship can be a conscious choice

So, if ideation and action are the two players, then it seems that the nature of their relationship can be either a positive or negative feedback loop. The artistry of psychotherapy then becomes to assist the client in getting on a positive feedback loop. The strengths-based approach of positive psychology would probably be best at this.

and..

The therapist should probably also become skilled at knowing how and when to get out of the way to allow for the client's evolution.

Therapist's approach

Hi YG,
I'm not a therapist, so I'm not going to jump in here. What I will say, is that the reply written below by the philosophy major is something that the therapist and client need to think about (particular the self-knowledge required to know the difference between intention-update and intention-failure).
thanks for writing,
tim

A robot would not need to choose

I think you're right in that there need not be choice involved, but one had to be a robot not to see immediately the option jumping right at you to stay in bed and exercise another day. So I would certainly have to make the choice. In this case it's not so hard to actually make it because running gives also immediate gratification. I always feel better afterwards although I'm not yet fit enough to reach a runner's high.

intention change and intention failure

As a grad student in philosophy, one thing that's always bugged me (which might be relevant to the dispute here) is telling the difference between intention failure and intention change.

It sounds to me as though the "it's about choice" people are seeing intention revision where you see intention failure. Obviously both phenomena are real and will need to be allowed for in any attempt at describing agency: changing your mind is clearly rational in some cases, and not all cases of going against earlier intentions can honestly be described as rational revision. Both weakness of will and intention-updating exist, the question is how to tell the difference between them and that’s what a philosophical theory of agency tries to do. I’m thinking primarily of the work of Harry Frankfurt and others on what it is to have beliefs and desires of our own – i.e. how to tell when we’re being ‘authentic’.

Perhaps it's a better response to the critic to argue (as Frankfurt might) that the run-don't run case can’t be a rational case of intention-update because nothing is updated except the intention itself: no new information is gained overnight, we should've known for example that we'd likely not want to go for the run, etc etc. Nothing happened that was in anyway novel, we just wantonly decided to go against the earlier intention on the basis of shifting occurant desires. But if we take *that* as being a rational the basis for decision-making, then we shouldn’t have been forming intentions in the first place. Rational updating requires new information or a new awareness of earlier error. That’s not present in the case you describe so as described we’re being irrationally inconsistent, plain and simple.

Even so there's a puzzle: the decision/intention-shift/gap being irrational doesn't itself determine which of the decisions/intentions was the right/best/most rational one to have. I can say I was being irrational to go against the intention, or I can say I was irrational to form *that* intention in the first place (when I should've known how little it reflects what I will want when it's time to carry it out). Either description seems possible: because we often form intentions out of externally derived guilt, wishful thinking or idealism borrowed from others which (if we thought about it) we don’t actually share. We'd need to know more about which intention coheres best with our long-term plans and goals... and therefore have a way to figure out what those are.
Some ‘procrastination’ might be due to simply not having any (I suspect this sometimes about myself).

This comment is a bit of a ramble, but the main point (at least in intention) was this: I suspect disputes like this are irresolvable without a larger story about agency to wrap them up in.

Intention-updating vs Intention failure

I don't think this is a ramble at all (not for an off the top of your head reply to a blog). I think you have explained the situation very well, and I will use this and the reply above yours as another blog topic early next week.
thanks,
tim

Philosophy references

Hi Carl,
Can you give me some references to the writings in philosophy that you think are relevant here please?
thanks,
tim

New information in rational updating

I am a 2006 graduate of Pomona College, where I was a double-major in psychology and economics. I wrote my psychology senior thesis on procrastination, so I thought I'd share a little bit of my thoughts.

Carl argues that no new information was obtained during sleep, so the decision couldn't be rational updating. I would argue that there was new information: the subjective feeling the person felt when he woke up. Although grogginess might be predictable, rationally, the groggy feeling is never as salient at night as it is at 5 in the morning. That doesn't make the decision rational, but the person is deciding based on his preferences at each point in time.

What makes procrastination interesting is that those preferences change over time, and are time-inconsistent. If your preferences were the same across time, that would be rational. Alternatively, if your preferences were different over time, but were subject to a consistent discount rate, that too would be rational. But our preferences across time do not follow a consistent discount rate. Preferences across time are generally consistent, except for a very special time: the present. For research and theory on this, you could check out the behavioral economics literature, notably Kahneman and Tversky.

Essentially, if you include your own mood as a good piece of information that helps you decide what to do, then you could be considered rational. If your moods are off-limits, then you are irrational. I think a strong argument could be made that if you feel terrible when you wake up, you might reasonably predict that your run will be less pleasant than if you wake up and don't feel terrible (although you probably still wouldn't feel great at 5 am). One cognitive bias that probably would play a role here is that we let our current mood play a fairly significant role in our emotional forecasting. It might be that when we get outside in the fresh air, our bad mood will go away, but we don't foresee that because we're in a bad mood.

My opinion is that at night, we make a decision for ourselves in the future. When we wake up, we realize it was a bad decision, from our morning self's perspective. The problem is, one of our selves must suffer, either from lack of sleep, or lack of workout. We are clearly not good at sacrificing our present happiness for future happiness, or at least not in this case. Perhaps we suffer more from lack of foresight and discipline than a lack of reason.

Mood as information

Wonderful post Andy! I hope you read the other posts related to this one about Peter Ubel's book Free Market Madness. Given your background, I think you'd like them.

I don't think moods can be either off limits or not. There's a lot of grey in decision making, it's not black and white. Some moods may be relevant information, some may just be part of the rationalization. I will write much more about this over the months ahead, because I think the economics perspective is very limited in understanding procrastination.

The first sentence of your last paragraph is very interesting. The notion of a "morning self" is worth discussing. You have embraced this notion of multiple selves. I think that might be an illusion (an assumption of some behavioral economists it seems).

Finally, I'm not sure it's a matter if sacrificing present "happiness" per se. I think you were closer with the issue of mood. Although I totally agree with your final statement that we suffer more from a lack of foresight and discipline than a lack of reason. In fact our "reason" allows us to justify our lack of discipline as if we made the "right" choice.

Again, what a great, thoughtful, informative post. Thanks!
tim

I think this is a very good

I think this is a very good description of one of the options I was talking about (or at least thinking about as I was typing something vaguely related...). I'm not sure I disagree with anything you said but feel free to correct me on that.

We can always look at the person-at-a-time, look at their preferences at that time and describe the person as rational as long as they are acting in accordance with those preferences, rather than some other ones they had at some other time.

But one worry with that view is that we can *always* do that. And if we always do that then we can't say anything about irrationality across time - it doesn't exist on this view because it's all explained by preference change. [Aside: and if it's also revealed preference we're talking about then we've got a collapse to triviality as well - action at a time reveals preference at a time which makes the action rational. Nothing is irrational]. If this is what rationality is then it's very easy to be rational. I'm not saying that's wrong, but if it's right then we probably need to stop getting hung up on the word 'rational'.

And even with this terminology the problem can be restated. At any given moment we have the beliefs and preferences that we do. And any person-stage can be treated as a person in isolation and be rational and functional in this way by their own lights. But they're also related to each other across time in a very intimate way: they're not literally ancestors and descendants of each other, they're phases of the same person. Or at least they think they are - so they've got at least that much rational requirement to get their act together. Question is, which way to do that?

On a related point I admit I was way too brief when I assumed that no new information was gained overnight. Of course moods are information. But it's not like being groggy or lazy is a novelty, or that I've never felt that way in the morning before. If feeling that way is a genuinely unexpected discovery then yes it's a case of gaining genuinely new information and we realise we made a bad decision the night before. But if this is what I do every evening and morning, then I've got a problem. And because I've got at least some aspirations for hanging together as a person, I can't assume the solution is to just do what I feel like at the time. At the very least I should consider my preferences carefully when I start going against my prior ones... somehow we've got to get our past and future preferences into the decision-making mix.

quite a hot topic , waiting

quite a hot topic , waiting for your other posts

Just a few nitpicking

Just a few nitpicking comments:

Eastern philosophy and psychology could really show western psychology a thing or two in terms of suffering, happiness, and yes, choice. However, Zen (and other forms of Buddhism) is solely about being simple and mindlessly doing your chores and living a pious life. Those ideas are more cartoonish stereotypes. I would be careful not to utilize zen koans or stories just to make a point. Not because they are holy or anything, just that small conceptual conclusions drawn from the koans are completely irrelevant to the purpose/function of the stories.

In fact, choice and morality are quite important to Buddhism. What might be gained from buddhism is the practice of not getting "perpetually swept up by thought", or an aware detachment from your own thoughts. In this way, compulsive and procrastinative (is that a word? it should be) can just be let go of (not indulged in), then more reasonable action can be taken, which then depends on the choice of the person.

Just a buddhist nerd weighing in here ;)

fun fact: I am procrastinating right now.

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