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Reflexology has been research
You just haven't bothered to look for evidence about reflexology. If you look at Medline you will even find brain scans for reflexology. Pontificating is easy. Research is hard.
Must be nice to get paid for this drivel. Dogs bark at what they don't understand.
Kevin Kunz
Reflexology Research Project
With respect, there is no
With respect, there is no evidence whatsoever that reflexology does anything at all. Perhaps it feels pleasant, but that is the extent of it.
No convincing evidence reflexology works, Australia
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/163145.php
Has the "Reflexology Research Project" been keeping its research a secret?
Research has been available for years
You just haven't looked online.We have put up research both positive and negative for years.
Face it you didn't even check Google, you know that search engine everyone keeps talking about.
"We have put up research both
"We have put up research both positive and negative for years."
Why do I have the feeling that it is mainly negative or mostly no evidence to support reflexology. In fact, I have no doubts that your bias has been tampering with your research.
Btw, thanks for letting us know who you are so that we don't have to take you seriously.
"We have put up research both
"We have put up research both positive and negative for years."
Why do I have the feeling that it is mainly negative or mostly no evidence to support reflexology? In fact, I have no doubts that your bias has been tampering with your research.
Btw, thanks for letting us know who you are so that we don't have to take you seriously.
Reflexology research
Thanks for the comment Kevin. I only wish you could have spent your time more productively by describing problems with my arguments rather than ad hominem attacks. I wonder what you do when clients ask questions about whether reflexology is better than a massage or a sugar pill. Seriously.
cordially,
Todd
I give them the research
I don't make claims other than reflexology works in the nervous system.
You know I have argued with the best of them (that isn't saying much) The little piece of propganda today seems to be based on a pretty bad protocol by Ernst. Reflexology is no better than a foot massage. So if you are making that argument you are saying that the epiccritical nervous system is just the same as the protopathic nervous system.
You didn't look at Hans Selye very closely did you? He had two types of adaptive syndrome. There is the General Adaptive Syndrome and the Local Adaptive syndrome. So stress is both generalized and very specific.
A foot massage is not the same as foot reflexology. At least that is what is starting to come out in the fMRI studies. And the doppler sonograms of the kidneys and digestive system are double blinded randomized control studies. They show that specific application to areas on the feet effect blood flow to specific parts of the body. Of course you knew that from your in depth survey of research literature.
reflexology research
Kevin, your comment once again alludes to your comfort being asked questions. Thank you for introducing me to new jargon: epiccritical and protopathic nervous system. I have no idea what they mean so I can't comment. See my point about jargon.
A fMRI informs us about blood flow in particular regions of the body. Are you saying that there is evidence that a reflexologist and a massage therapist working on the same part of the foot lead a patient to experience different blood flow in central organs of the body? And by double blinded, neither the participants nor the study staff know which participants are receiving reflexology or a massage? If so, that's fantastic. Of course, this doesn't tell us whether clients end up better after reflexology than a massage. Its just about blood flow in particular regions of the body. I assume you want to do more than just change the flow of blood?
Why don't you send me the references? If the data are good, if the data were peer reviewed by people outside the biased reflexology community, I will modify my comments and give them the publicity they deserve.
Todd
Todd you seem like a nice guy
I will ease up. It is the Irish/German in me.
Epicritical has to do with fine discrimination like pinpoint sensory responses. Protopathic has to do with generalized touch, some describe as the warm and fuzzy touch. Imagine the difference between hugging a teddy bear and the sharp point of a knife pressed against your ribs. We have a saying,"A poke in the eye is different than a pat on the back." Both use the nervous system but they conduct differently for reasons of survival. Reflexology is focused on the epicritical while massage is focused on the protopathic.
A fmri shows what part of the brain is activated when pressure is applied. This isn't about the difference of touch application between a reflexologist and a massage therapist. It has more to the relationship with the feet and the rest of the body. If you apply pressure to the shoulder as an example the sensory/ motor area associated with the should lights up in the brain.
It is more than blood flow that is important here. It is the relationship of the feet to the body. We have such a thing as "movement intelligence". The body must have an information sharing network for the sake of survival. If my shoulder is injured that has to be calculated into the routine that has to be performed to make survival successful. Or the saber toothed tiger has a good lunch.
Repeated patterns exist throughout the body to make survival possible. In the brain there are several repeated patterns. The spinal cord in essence is reiterative. Why should our sensory organs the feet and the hands be reiterative as well? Shouldn't the feet and hands be a part of movement intelligence and the information sharing that continuously goes on to ensure survival?
I will send you an extensive evidenced based reflexology research doc if you will supply your email address to me. Send it to footc@mac.com
Very interesting theory
I am very sympathetic to theories that consider functional relationships between different parts of the body rather than just dissecting our anatomy. I think it's true, and largely underappreciated, that poorly understood networks of nerves and tissues play important roles in our capabilities and well-being, and I suspect that some of the complementary therapies that are truly effective are effective partly because they take advantage of some knowledge of this networking infrastructure.
I find it very intriguing that foot pressure might play a role in this.
It will be interesting to see if future research in this area will turn up some way of making reflexology a more broadly and reliably effective treatment by better tapping into this, or better demonstrating its effectiveness, if such has simply been undiscovered outside of practitioners so far.
kind regards,
Todd
references
Last email as we are going in circles. Since the idea of Psychology Today is to have a public forum to discuss these issues, I would appreciate it if you posted the articles here. This way I cannot distort what you write in anyway.
Everything you say sounds good until you start reading about how the human body is structured and how there are not specific pathways of blood vessels from certain sections of the foot to exact locations in different organs of the body.
Thus, to defy this knowledge with your comments, the burden of proof is on your claims. I really do look forward to the references and as I said before, with good evidence that passes an acceptable test of rigor, I will modify my views. Also, I expect someone will receive great accolades for this line of research that overturns what we know about the human body.
For myself and PT readers, please post them here. Without them, the ideas reflect the potential bias of someone making a career out of reflexology defending it against any and all alternative explanations. Less than ideal if your core value is to help people in the best way possible....
thanks,
Todd
Outcome research and Mechanism research: what's next?
Hi Kevin,
Thanks for the interesting discussion.
For my part, I can appreciate what I think you are getting at here, which is that in principle there are mechanisms that could cause pressure on hands or feet to trigger changes in internal organs. I'm not aware of the details, but it is certainly plausible, so I'll stipulate it in good faith. Let's agree that there could be ways of testing for mechanisms for this, which is an important part of the puzzle of any healing modality.
The more important thing though at this stage is whether we can make systematic use of this sort of effect to reliably influence clinical outcomes. That's where we begin to distinguish, for example, the specific protocols of reflexology from non-specific massage and expectancy. If the clinical outcome is the nearly same as that of massage plus expectancy, it is still clearly not nothing, but it isn't a reflexology-specific effect in that case either.
So let's for a moment separate outcome research from mechanism research. What does the outcome research tell us so far? Do we need more and better outcome research in this case to make your point?
kind regards,
Todd
From the first few pages of
From the first few pages of the results from Google Scholar:
The effects of foot reflexology on anxiety and pain in patients with breast and lung cancer
NL Stephenson, SP Weinrich, AS Tavakolil - Oncology Nursing Forum-Oncology Nursing Society, 2000 - anatomyfacts.com
A quasi-experimental observational study (the study author's words) which shows cancer patients with reduced anxiety from reflexology but unclear whether pain was affected.
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A single-blind trial of reflexology for irritable bowel syndrome
P Tovey - British Journal of General Practice, 2002 - pubmedcentral.nih.gov
Shows no evidence at all of relief for IBS.
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Using reflexology for pain management: a review
NLN Stephenson, JA Dalton - Journal of Holistic Nursing, 2003 - jhn.sagepub.com
Concludes that practitioners themselves find it useful on a case by case basis, but that there is not enough systematic research, despite a long history of usage, to determine its effectiveness for pain reduction.
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The conclusion of these seemingly fair reviewers is that they don't know if it works or not beyond general effects, and they find it a useful thing to try because it is non-invasive and often soothing. Giving it the benefit of the doubt because of its long history of use, let's say this is a modality that is widely used, safe, and unproven by standards of evidence-based medicine.
The National Council Against Health Fraud has an article consistent with this, suggesting that the treatment is very safe but that consumers should be skeptical of strong claims other than anxiety reduction based on the evidence so far.
http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/reflexology.html
There's no debate here, and no malice intended. This is simply what I found when I took Kevin's suggestion to search the literature. Most of the "research" is observational articles in nursing magazines, and that is mostly negative for anything but anxiety relief, except on case by case bases for some individuals.
No reason to believe it never serves as a useful therapeutic modality, and also no reason so far to assert that it has been systematically tested and validated.
consensus?
Todd, you articulated your points real well and I am generally in agreement with all of them. I guess my main issue is about opportunity cost. Here's a therapy that's been around for decades and there isn't much to say. There are so many effective treatments for anxiety and pain that have been shown to work in the short and long term. The cost of doing something with less support is that they could be using their finite time, energy, and money more wisely doing something that is supported.
For those that don't get benefits from a relatively unproven treatment (when treatments that are very effective exist), they might be dissuaded from seeking treatment from anyone again in the future. This is particularly the case for people with less income and resources.
Thus, the opportunity cost of taking part in interventions without acceptable evidence that they work has real substantial consequences.
thanks for the discussion
cheers,
Todd
it has been systematically tested and validated
>>No reason to believe it never serves as a useful therapeutic modality, and also no reason so far to assert that it has been systematically tested and validated<<
The NCAHF is not a scientific organization nor is it staffed by researchers. It is opinion based organization that always finds all over complementary and alternative medicine is rubbish. Funny thing. I think you discredit yourself by using them as a resource.
The Chinese use it as a theraputic modality because they are smarter than we are in the pursuit of low cost health care. They understand the advantages of using a high touch versus a high tech system. Reflexology is in their hospitals and healthcare facilities. They consider reflexology a form of fitness and use it with their seniors through very innovative low tech ways.
It is used in several countries that way. They can't afford expensive drugs and surgery. And they have thousands of studies.
I don't know what your point was in using three studies to examine the efficacy of reflexology. Surely you don't believe this is a valid survey. Reflexology has been systematically tested and validated. You didn't find fMRI studies nor the EKG, EEG, doppler sonogram studies nor the double blinded randomized control studies. I offered to send you our research document.
I am asserting there is enough research to make a valid case for using reflexology therapeutically. Do you want to debate this?
Standards of Evidence: Too Low vs Too High
Kevin, I appreciate your information which I've learned from, and your patience, but at this point we seem to be repeating the same argument over and over. So instead of a debate or argument here is an outline my thinking, just to clarify.
First, I will stipulate that Reflexology is effective by the standards you are applying. You don't need to throw data at me to persuade me, I grant it willingly. Let's assume that enough case studies, articles in specialty magazines, mechanism experiments, clinical experience, etc. do indeed reinforce that point. It works. I'm ok with that.
Second, by the standards of evidence that I'm applying, peer-reviewed outcome research and meta-analysis available to me, I see a very strong "case not proven" in every result. It doesn't matter how much evidence of effectiveness from other types of inquiry for *this* purpose if it doesn't meet the standard of evidence. That's the standard that I think Todd Kashdan is applying for the purpose of opportunity costs as well.
We could argue forever about what standards of evidence to apply, and I have no interest in that infinite debate. I think the only thing relevant to my second point would be peer-reviewed outcome meta-analyses that show good results and so far according to my search and that of a number of other reviewers, these do not yet exist.
Irving Kirsch would say that the same (case not proven) is true of antidepressant medication, so Relexology is not alone in that regard! It's possibly an impossible standard to meet in some cases. But it is difficult to find an alternative that meets the same purposes.
kind regards,
Todd
Need for testing
Thank you for an excellent article with useful advice.
There are a lot of practitioners of non-mainstream health systems and techniques who believe very strongly that they have useful skills and methods and want very much to gather evidence of their effectiveness. It must be very frustrating, because it is very expensive and very difficult to prove the effectiveness of a treatment against careful controls. And if the theory behind it is not well accepted, then even empirical evidence against controls will be viewed with suspicion.
Acupuncture, for example, has a good deal of empirical evidence for at least certain kinds of uses, but its theoretical basis in traditional Chinese Medicine has kept it from wider acceptance, even as the technology for controls has improved and continues to improve. How do you create a placebo control for a needle? People have come up with some very creative ways of doing this and we have not seen the end of it. Reflexology is not so terribly far from acupuncture in some ways. I don't think it should be rejected out of hand en masse.
Even surgery has a placebo component (perhaps a particularly powerful placebo component) so I can understand their frustration also at continually being compared with placebos. Drugs work at least in part as a result of placebo, in addition to their pharmacological effect.
Ultimately, we do have to rely on reliable evidence for the effectiveness of treatments, above and beyond placebo, but all treatments have some element of expectancy behind their effects, and it will take a lot of work and patience to sort out the treatments from the boost given by expectancy.
The potential "danger" of alternative treatments is to me not so much that they aren't proven, although that can be an issue, but more that odd theories can sometimes lead to slippery slopes where even effective treatments are being done in an extravagant or dangerous way. The "proving" needed is not so much just effectiveness, but also grounding in theory, so that we can tell when variations of the treatment are still reasonable without having to thoroughly test every minor variation of a treatment.
kind regards,
Todd
We have a theory based in the nervous system
We can describe in great deal what happens to the neur-matirx when pressure is applied to the feet and hands.
So you want to debate. I would love it.
We have a theory based in the nervous system
We can describe in great detail what happens to the neur-matirx when pressure is applied to the feet and hands.
So you want to debate how reflexology works I would love it. We can set it up online whenever you are ready.
>>The potential "danger" of
>>The potential "danger" of alternative treatments is to me not so much that they aren't proven, although that can be an issue, but more that odd theories can sometimes lead to slippery slopes where even effective treatments are being done in an extravagant or dangerous way. The "proving" needed is not so much just effectiveness, but also grounding in theory, so that we can tell when variations of the treatment are still reasonable without having to thoroughly test every minor variation of a treatment.<<
Again I know I have said it once. I will say it again the working of reflexology can be thoroughly explained within the nervous system. The problem you are having is that you don't see the body as a whole. If you did you would understand the importance of the feet and the spine to good health.
What amazes me is that skeptics see the feet as inert. Just there and not connected into the neuro matrix. Kinda of like wheels on a cart. No sensory function. No motor function. Wheels.
Errata: reflexology vs, acupressure vs. acupuncture
I was actually more thinking of acupressure treatment in general in my discussion, not reflexology per se. I don't know very much about the specific application of foot pressure points taken in isolation. Up to this point I haven't seen much compelling data on that.
Sorry for the confusion,
Todd
You haven't looked
The Chinese did fMRI studies using sticks applied to areas in the feet. Areas associated with these reflex areas lit up in the brain compelling enough for you?
(the sticks were to avoid contamination from human touch.)
reply to Stark
Hi Todd,
I couldn't agree more and in fact, I was just talking about this in my science of well-being class yesterday. I believe there is a lot of evidence and promise to Acupuncture, particularly for substance abuse problems.
Besides the ideas you mentioned, there is the issue of whether the active ingredient unique to chiropractic care, acupuncture, or anything else is what works. For instance, a colleague told me that their chiropractor provides adjustments to deal with subluxations and on top of this, recommends back exercises for him to do at home. There is no research to show that what is unique to the craft of chiropractors works (beyond momentary pain reduction) and what appears to work is the same thing done by other allied health professionals with more appropriate training (e.g., physical therapists). In this care, a person's time and money, and health care costs, can all be handled more efficiently with the use of physical and occupational therapists.
cheers,
Todd
sources
Todd,
You're the first person, whose work I respect, in the health field who has said anything positive about accupuncture. I would love to read some of the research you are referring to.
@egilman
literature on acupuncture
Hi Elaine,
Thanks for the kind words. Unlike the single studies being touted by the reflexologist and chiropractor in comments to my blog post, when it comes to stating that a clinical tx is efficacious, I am more confident relying on reviews of the entire literature such as meta-analyses.
Thus, check out this article (there are others but this is quite comprehensive and in a top tier peer reviewed journal, not a specialty alternative medicine journal). From this review, it is clear that we have to consider the potential of acupuncture for certain ailments. I am not saying health insurance should cover it just yet but there is plenty of promising evidence to warrant more resources to understanding this treatment (compared with chiropractic care, magnetic therapy, & reflexology).
Mayer, D.J. (2000). Acupuncture: An Evidence-Based Review of the Clinical Literature. Annual Review of Medicine, 51, 49-63.
Abstract
This chapter reviews the experimental literature on the effects of acupuncture treatment. The review covers the 14 medical conditions for which the National Institutes of Health Acupuncture Consensus Development Panel (NIHCDP) concluded that acupuncture either is effective (2 conditions) or may be useful (12 conditions). My conclusions partially support those of the NIHCDP. There is evidence that acupuncture is effective for the treatment of postoperative and chemotherapyinduced nausea and vomiting. Also, some data indicate that acupuncture may be useful for headache, low back pain, alcohol dependence, and paralysis resulting from stroke (4 of the 12 conditions for which the NIHCDP found that acupuncture may be useful). For most of the remaining conditions, there is little evidence that acupuncture is either effective or ineffective. It is recommended that workers in the field design double blind, sham controlled trials using adequate acupuncture treatment regimens, with specific hypotheses, and sample sizes sufficient to allow both positive and negative conclusions.
Acupuncture doing well so far
From my perspective, acupuncture is so far a success story for the evidence based approach, showing that sometimes you _can_ show efficacy statistically, and all treatments don't have to be assumed the same because they have supporters and a long legacy. It shows that it is possible to meet the outcome standard bar sometimes, although difficult. And people studying it have done a lot to improve the controls and protocols, much to their credit.
Todd Stark
Thanks for the info! I look
Thanks for the info! I look forward to reading it.
Pilot study finds
Pilot study finds chiropractic care, physical therapy may reduce costs
Individuals with musculoskeletal disorders who received chiropractic care or physical therapy had lower health care costs and were less likely to have surgery than employees who did not receive those services, according to a recent report.
The findings come from a one-year pilot program designed by Wellmark Blue Cross and Blue Shield to measure patient quality of care. Researchers concluded that significant clinical outcomes and health care cost reductions were attributable to the use of chiropractic and other physical medicine services. Overall, 89 percent of all individuals receiving physical medicine services reported improvement of at least 30 percent within 30 days.
The 2008 pilot -- an ongoing quality improvement program for Iowa and South Dakota physical medicine providers -- analyzed data on care provided by 238 chiropractors, physical therapists and occupational therapists to 5,500 Wellmark members with MSDs. Wellmark utilized Triad Healthcare to help administer the program and collaborated with the company to collect data and measure outcomes. Triad also analyzed the chiropractic and physical therapy utilization data for the pilot and has continued to administer the program in 2009.
Supporters of chiropractic treatment praised the findings, saying that the cost-effectiveness of the method has been documented in several studies.
Glenn Manceaux, president of the American Chiropractic Association, pointed to a study published in a 2005 issue of the Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics that found chiropractic and medical care have comparable costs for treating chronic low-back pain, with chiropractic care producing significantly better outcomes. In addition, a study published in a 2003 edition of Spine medical journal found that manual manipulation provides better short-term relief of chronic spinal pain than a variety of medications, he said.
"Especially during the health care reform debate, it's important that chiropractic and other conservative care methods are taken into serious consideration as a cost-effective alternative to the utilization of expensive surgery and hospital-based care," he said.
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September 10, 2009
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Sorry I couldnt just post a
Sorry I couldnt just post a link I'm posting from my phone. There have been numerous studies showing the efficacy of Chiropractic manipulation not just manipulation which is what is done by other practitioners. I am a chiropractor am don't personally agree with the subluxation theory per se, but I do know that what I do helps patients everyday and it has been proven repeatedly. If your basing your article off of your experience with one person I think that is a shame. You prooved it yourself that you did no research when you wrote this article and you are more than entitled to your opinion, but to bash an entire professional community over the misgivings you had based on the physician you say helped you for years seems wrong to me. I recommend trying to look into some chiropractors that are more evidenced based if you would like to get some more straightforward answers as to why and how chiropractic care benefits the human body. Just as there are probably some less them trustworthy colleagues in your profession we have ours too. You claim that the founder of chiropractic made those claims in the 1850 about what chiropractic care was, remember it used to be acceptible for medical doctors to perform shock therapy, prescribe arsenic and perform lobotomies on patients. To make it more present, look at the number of FDA approved drugs get that get taken off the market every year because they ultimately don't work correctly. Something that seems in this day an age to, of course, be absurd. Yet it happens time and again and will continue to happen time and again.
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