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As Porn Goes Up, Performance Goes Down?

"I've been looking at Internet porn since I began college 13 years ago. Around age 24, I noticed difficulty getting aroused with real women. Viagra off the Internet allowed me to have real relationships until age 29. Then, it became increasingly difficult to have real sex, even with the pills." Read More

I was always aware of

I was always aware of desentization that porn vids give, so I mostly looked at pics. I already stopped watching porn to test how it goes this week, but I won't stop masturbating once or sometimes twice a day.

Experiments are good.

Here's what another man wrote today:

The link between porn and ED couldn't me be clearer for me. I'd follow this cycle:

Stop enjoying sex and even masturbating to porn (but do it anyway) -> give up porn -> get better erections and more pleasure out of masturbation and sex -> think I'm cured -> go back to porn -> go to step 1

During the bad times, even when I did manage to get it up for a real woman, that sensation just wasn't there. I wasn't enjoying it, just doing it because I though it it would help to get me back on track.

Now I can see that the opposite is needed: give up all orgasm for a while, rebalance, and take the psychological pressure off myself.

I am not even going to talk women for the first month. Normally I talk to almost every woman that catches my eye wherever. But I just need to put this part of my life on hold and just hang out with friends and family for a time.

This article hit the nail on

This article hit the nail on the head. I am 24 years old and have been battling ED for years now and only recently attributed it to porn addiction. I tell you what, I have been on an emotional rollercoaster while trying to figure out what the problem was. What makes the whole thing so difficult is that you know that you should be aroused by "real" women but for some reason you can't. Then you try to consciously make yourself aroused which is basically impossible and once this fails you spiral into a depression/anxiety. Physicians really need to be more aware of what is going on with this. Good article.

This article is dead on dude

I am 25 and have been experiencing the same problems.I am definitely Not gay, and I have shared this article with all of my close friends. Dude you will lose good relationships because of porn.I am so glad I know what the problem is now. No More Porn...EVER!

Thanks for sharing your experience

It's tough to talk about these things, but the sooner the word gets out about how porn can desensitize the brain and cause ED, the happier a lot of people are going to be!

Would like to talk

Marnia,

If possible I would like to maybe discuss my issue with you via email. Perhaps you can shed some light on my own problems as I am still trying to figure it all out. Let me know of a good way to contact you if this would be allright. I believe you have access to my email address.

Join the forum

at www.reuniting.info. I monitor it, so you'll get my thoughts as well as the thoughts of others who are dealing with similar issues.

awesome

Awesome article. I don't even want to add anything, I just thought you should know that a dweeby college kid thinks your article rocks. I'm aspiring to be a family/marriage counselor and it seems like this article accurately describes a very legitament problem for a lot of people.

*big smile*

Your generation has a really tough situation to deal with here, but it sounds like you're up to the job! Glad the article confirmed what you're observing. Hopefully the mainstream experts will soon have a better understanding of how extreme porn desensitizes the brain.

Porn Addiciton?

I'm sure there are people who see themselves in this article, but I am a 43 year-old man, who has been looking at porn regularly since the age of 13 or so. I can as easily maturbate to Playboy now as when I was 15 (though certainly not as often), even though i watch more extreme porn on the net (nothing that extreme: no torture, rape, animals, kids, just healthy adults enjoying each other...)

I have noticed a slight interesst in 'new' things (mostly seeing new girls) but no dependance and absolutely no negative effect on my sex life with my real-life, long-term girlfriend (who also occasionally enjoys porn with me.

This sounds a lot to me like some bad consciences meeting up with some subliminated (or not?) judgement on the part of the psychologist. Once again: I am sure some people experience this, but to make this anecdotal information into a trend..? Seriously.!

Thanks for your input

I'm absolutely sure that not everyone is affected to the same degree. Evolution likes variation, and, for example, when scientists recently did experiments on binge eating in rats, there were always a few animals who didn't fall into the binge pattern (get hooked on super-stimulating foods) or become obese.

However, I am equally sure that there is a trend here that has nothing to do with consciences. That is the tired old excuse that is always trotted out, and too often it prevents us from reconsidering what we think we know about sex and masturbation.

My thought is that, for many people, beginning with *Playboy" magazine and nothing but a good imagination has a different effect on the brain than hammering it from the start with today's ever-novel, free, extreme Internet porn videos. The act of masturbation may be the same, but the degree of stimulation in the reward circuitry of the brain is quite different, and may desensitize the brain more rapidly - leaving it more susceptible to escalation. Why else would so many men in their twenties be experiencing so many symptoms of desensitized brains...ED being only one?

I appreciate your warning against generalizing, but I would ask you to be equally careful of generalizing from your own experience.

Response

Well, first of all I appreciate your taking my response seriously, in the sense that it was given. Of course, not being a professional, I can only speak from my own experience.

One factor which didn't quite fit into my first comment, but which I find interesting, is that at least one comment comes from a man who has no current lover. In fact, he now plans to go out and get one. i am not at all convinced that in such a case masturbation is the cause and not the symptom of not having a lover. I am glad he feels better an empowered, yet put in mind of Dr Kellogg and his gloves to prevent masturbation and loss of essence.

Your point about evolution is well taken, but as you so rightly point out, the influence of the internet and indeed moving film of porn is quite recent. I quite easily agree that in my own experience this sort of porn is more stimulating, but we can have no idea of the overall effect, and once again, based on my own experience-- I wonder whether it is I who am truly the outlier here.

You're right

that it's difficult to discuss the benefits of balanced sexual behavior without risking raising the specter of shame around sex. Today's porn tsunami, however, may require humanity to do just that.

I spent decades assuming that there could never be such a thing as too much sex, and have been amazed to discover that, actually, there can. Strictly speaking, it's not sex that's the problem...anymore than food is a problem. It's the neurochemical after effects of intense stimulation, which can desensitize the brain and shift perception and priorities, that can be a problem.

Some people may experience no effects, others may be affected without realizing it (as I was), and others may be aware from quite early on that there's more to the orgasm cycle than meets the eye. Ever heard of POIS, for example? Or see this article from the NYT: "Sex and Depression: In the Brain, if Not the Mind" http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/health/views/20mind.html?_r=1

I agree that it's really important to figure out who the outliers are, and whether changes in our environment - such as today's porn (which is like *nothing* our ancestors' brains were ever confronted with as humans evolved...unless they happened to own a very kinky harem) could be desensitizing some brains.

Sex and food are our two primal drives. We've already seen how widespread the vulnerability is to the recent flood of highly palatable foods (64% of Americans are now over-weight, and many of those obese). Why would highly stimulating porn be *less* appealing or problematic than highly stimulating foods? If anything, sex is a higher priority for our genes than food. See "Has Evolution Trained Our Brains to Gorge on Food and Sex?" http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201004/has-evo...

Anyway, I'm genuinely grateful to you for raising some important points. Hopefully research will one day resolve our different points of view.

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Marla,

Thank you for your links. I shall take the time to read and think about them.

Best,
don

I tend to agree with this

I tend to agree with this article. I caught my boyfriend looking at porn and talking to prostitues online after dating for about 3 months (mind you this was going on the whole time we were dating). I have expressed my dislike of porn and of its negative effects to him and have noticed that his libido has been lower. He hardly ever cums from having sexual intercourse, only with oral sex/handjob can he cum at this point. Perhaps his brain wiring has changed as a result of the constant porn influence. So far he has stopped watching porn for about 2 months but I have not seen any increase in his libido.

Recovering porn users report that

the flashbacks can stick around for a while. So he may be watching movies in his head, which are, for the moment, very tightly "wired" to orgasm.

Some users find that if they take a time out from porn/masturbation/orgasm (or limit themselves to less frequent masturbation *without* porn/fantasy) the normal sensitivity of their brains returns more quickly.

Good luck.

Thanks,we've been together

Thanks,we've been together almost 8 months now and I want things to work with him, acutally couldn't imagine being with someone other than him. I'm making it my priority to help rid himself of this addiction. I even let him read this article and he got all quiet and didn't want to respond. I think he feels alot of shame when I call him out on his addiction.

He needs support

There are recovery sites with support for him and for mates, too. He's also welcome to join the forum at www.reuniting.info and blog about his progress. Withdrawal can be brutal.

Meanwhile, you can help him by engaging in daily bonding behaviors. That will help soothe his nervous system: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/200909/the-laz...

Shame definitely makes the problem worse, and ultimately it's his choice, not yours - as I'm sure you realize. Just encourage his progress and reassure him that *he* is not his addiction. Some people like this series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0DkBPWg_s8 (This is Part 1 of 5 on YOUTube).

PS

He may also find this chapter helpful: "The Road to Excess" http://www.reuniting.info/download/pdf/Cupid-Ch6.pdf

Thank you, I really

Thank you, I really appreciate your support. This has been very hard for me, I have dated older males in the past but this is the first one I have been connected to. When I found out he was talking onling to individuals I was incredibly devestated and confronted him which led to him returning from his vacation the same day he landed in Thailand. I am forever greatful tha he chose to return to me because he said he loved me and made a very bad decision but I also have daily anxiety about the fact that not only did he correspond with these individual's while we were dating but that he also planned on meeting them in Thailand and the Phillippines while I was at home none the wiser, thinking that this guy was really genuine. I get daily flashbacks of me teary eyed and crying while he packed for his 21 day vacation to Thailand that he justified his reason for going as I planned this trip along time ago before we met with my friends. What I try to broach the subject with him about is the fact that it is fine that he already had a vacation planned with his friends before we met but the fact that he corresponded with these individuals and actually spoke with them by email and planned to meet them is a whole different ballgame. It was a conscious choice that he made and I can't use his porn addiction as a justification for those bad choices he made. I have recently started seeing a therapist for my anxiety regarding of relationship issues or I should say my fear of being hurt or betrayed again, but without him onboard therapy does not serve a purpose. Unfortunately any time I try to process with my boyfriend, get clarify or closure on aspects of this fiasco it just makes him incredibly pissed off and it says it affects our relationship negatively. So again I thank you for the resources you have provided for me.

Geez

You should really dump that fool.

I read the article about

I read the article about bonding, the funny thing is my boyriend and I do bonding constantly. We hold each other in a ball at night or spoon, we constantly touch each other in an understanding way, we even do butterfly and eskimo kisses sometimes. When things are good with him they are really good but I am so wounded by my experience that I always think that when things are good which I thought before I caught him, that things are really not peachy, that he doesn't feel the same way about me. I have become a very insecure female which is not something I really experienced in the past. I want to trust him but in the back of my mind I always have this haunting thought. My mind always goes back to particular emails I read between him and those promiscous individuals (Im being nice here). What can I do to repair this?

I'm glad you're getting help.

I guess if I were in your situation I would stay with the bonding behaviors as they bring comfort to you both.

The problem isn't the prostitutes. The problem is that this addiction tends to escalate the more one feeds it - and it happens automatically. The primitive reward circuitry of the brain becomes desensitized and seeks more and more stimulation. Unfortunately, doing risky things and looking at more extreme material are the ways most people seek that additional stimulation. (Alfred Kinsey, for example, secretly began filming himself in his attic engaging in S&M activities, which was extremely risky, given his academic position, and given that he held himself as a model of healthy sexuality.)

Humanity simply hasn't recognized (yet) how over-stimulation with "natural" things (extreme sexual stimuli, fatty/sugary foods, etc.) can affect many brains - decreasing pleasure and inciting a search for more and more stimulation. Have a look at this article, too: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201004/has-evo...

There are no guarantees in life, but if he truly gains an understanding of his situation, he may be motivated not to awaken the cues that are wired to that compulsion. Gradually, the brain should swing back to balance.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't press him to have orgasm because his brain is likely to "force" itself to climax using the fantasies that are most powerful for him. The more he associates those cues with orgasm, the stronger that pathway remains in his brain. Stick to the bonding behaviors when possible, and hopefully his brain will begin to find normal stimuli (contact with you) arousing again at some point. Be patient.

Meanwhile, try not to make him feel bad even though you are hurting. He can't instantly rewire his brain, or stop the flashbacks by force of will. The more you steep in your resentment and fear, the more you will suffer. Have you tried daily meditation? Daily walks? Those should help you cope while the situation eases.

Wishing you the very best.

Excellent Article

I personally am having the same issues of "rewiring" my brain to "real woman" circumstances. If I knew I was desensitizing my brain I would of not started this porn/masturbation behavior. When I attempted to have sex with a real woman, i had ED, no response just frustration. The most embarassing thing was she was aggressive and attractive which I seeked out in porn images. I have started the "reboot" process with daily success. First, terminate the porn even situational sexual programs on TV (i.e. Showtime, HBO, Family Guy or Simpsons). Next, exercise vigourous to pump blood throughout your system. If you have to masturbate, use a real woman to arouse not porn. Slowly, it will come back. This has been working with me. The only issue I have is performance anxiety due to prior failure. My confident was shaken but I will return since I know it is not a physical problem.

Thanks for sharing your experience

I'm sure others will find it helpful.

I'm glad to hear you're already noticing an improvement. It's ironic that too much stimulation can actually desensitize the brain and dampen one's pleasure response, but it looks like there's some science behind this idea: "Has Evolution Trained Our Brains to Gorge on Food and Sex?" http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201004/has-evo...

Simpsons

The Simpsons? Family Guy? Seriously?

I have to admit, in spite of good-faith efforts, I'm having trouble even remotely identifying with any of you.

And, it seems to me, if a guy is making long-term plans to vist prostitutes on the other side of the world, that maybe pornography and masturbation are the least of his problems. Just sayin'.

If you've never been addicted,

it's hard to understand how the brain could become desensitized to normal pleasures (and therefore need to escalate into riskier, more extreme stimulation), and yet be hyper-reactive to any cues (things that it associates with its "meds," i.e., the addiction).

For several years I've been listening to men as they struggle to recover, and they often report that even regular TV can set them off while their brains are in withdrawal and striving to return to balance.

It can be diffucult

It can be difficult to understand other peoples addiction problems. It is hard, for example, for me to understand how someone could be addicted to gambling, but there is research showing the same reward/pleasure pathways are activated when gambling addicts play their games.

Basically what I am saying is that just because it doesn't affect you, and in fact probably wouldn't be a problem for "most" men, does not mean that it isn't a real problem for many men. Real research is just beginning to come out on this topic, beyond the old fable of being desensitized by seeing "perfect" women doing outrageous sexual acts, and into the realm of dopamine desensitization and reward pathway activation.

I know from my own experience that this is a real problem, and it was very frustrating that for so many years there was no real information available and seemingly no one willing to talk about it (let alone real research being done).

Quick Question

Would you support male enhancement pills i.e. viagra to jump start sexual performance in the short term or will this introduce the brain to a new stimuli that can be counter-productive to recovery? I am 40 years old and feel this is too early to introduce my system to enhansement drugs. Before, learning about the connection between ED and porn, I have an appointment with a doctor to make sure my physical health is within limits. I personally stopped cold turkey with mastubating to porn introducing a different stimuli, imagination of real woman which has helped.

I'm not a doctor

However, Viagra dilates blood vessels to produce erections. Your recovery, however, is progressing in your brain - as it returns to normal sensitivity.

I'm glad you're noticing improvements. Be patient.

And maybe even substitute some time with a real woman for that "me time." It's okay to forgo orgasm for a bit while you focus on flirting. ;-)

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Marnia Robinson is the author of Cupid's Poisoned Arrow: From Habit to Harmony in Sexual Relationships.

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