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A recent analysis of 20 studies over the last 30 years indicates that between 31% and 57% of women have rape fantasies, and these fantasies are frequent or preferred in 9% to 17% of women. Considering that many people are ashamed to report rape fantasies, these stats are most likely lowball figures. Read More



















Comment on Sympathetic Activation
provacative
Yes and then after the context fades its hard to explain why you feel so connected to this person.
Your bottom line : shared bodily excitement seems
to bond minds. What you have written is so profound.
Thank you
The excitation transfer
The excitation transfer theory makes sense to me as a mechanism for ex post facto rationalization of rape or other traumatic event (e.g. Stockholm syndrome), but how would it explain erotic rape fantasy?
I'll point out that gay men also have rape fantasies. Now, already not having particularly sound evolutionary psychology explanations for homosexuality, I don't think it's even worth extrapolating cause here, but the fact that this is a parallel phenomenon would tend to discredit "male rape culture", and also "openness to sexual experience" (to some degree).
Speaking personally, the item on your list that most resonates is sympathetic activation. Another link, to both, is novelty-seeking behavior -- I would be very curious to hear if there is a correlation between the two.
The more I consider, though, the more difficulty I have distinguishing between erotic rape and aggressive sex... I don't buy the "against the self-character" argument. The situations in which I would want someone to do something that I wouldn't necessarily enjoy are those in which I want the (specific) other person to extract pleasure from doing so, in which case is "rape" really a fair term? Perhaps we're back to sympathetic activation again... in reverse.
Desirability
I think all explanations seem plausible. I personally subscribe to the desirability explanation. I love the feeling that a man can't control himself around me, of coarse this is only sexy in that I know that he actually can control himself and won't hurt me. A little hair-pulling is nice:)
Yeah, definitely the
Yeah, definitely the desirability theory. I suspect that's kind of where a lot of the eroticism from the bodice-ripping novels comes from.
showed this article to some friends
All 4 of them were girls. All of them admitted to having rape fantasies and thought that the desirability explanation was the most likely, for themselves at least. This probably says more about me than anything else but i still found that interesting.
I'm curious about whether or not women who tend to have these fantasies also have other personality traits in common.
And I'm even more curious about whether or not lesbians are as likely to have these fantasies.
lesbian factor.
Plenty of lesbians (or more correctly, imhe, dykes) experiment with power exchanges. Given the 3-5% (10% halved by gender preference) of that specific sample, I would suspect that the results would be highly polarized, and that the word "rape" would less often be used to describe the aggro-D/s sex, because of the social repercussions in protective and tightly knit communities based/linked with in sex-play.
Though desire, gender identity, gender preference and fantasy are qualities that operate independently of one another. So like flipping a coin "heads" 15 times in a row, the odds of flipping a "head" on the 16th try is still 50%.
Very good essay... It's
Very good essay...
It's worth making the point that women do not fantasise about the violence involved in a real rape. It is more abstracted than real rape.
I would like to see a similar essay about "Why do men fantasise about rape?" with similar stats and research behind it.
Sadly, I wonder if it will ever get written by anyone... does our culture think it is normal for men to fantasise about rape but abnormal for women?
a little bit of it is power.
I think that you did miss one. The power aspect... and namely the most considered reason for actual rape. It is linked to the pain aspect, of masochisim, but may not involve physical pain. Also, it is similar in "biological surrender" but erotic fantasy is an active choice, and biological predisposition suggests that there is none.
It is in my experience that feminism of recent years, has expandeded some fantasies while limiting others. (mostly in the contrary dominance -- aka it is ok to ask and demand, dress sexy, take control, but it became less ok for a woman to submit in this day and age of liberation) Its the "Mona Lisa Smile" problem -- Some people want what they want - current trends be damned - and those trends can pass a ton of righteous judgment (and the requisite shame).
I mean, that dichotomy personally messed my head up quite a bit, as it created a synergy between dominance and open sensuality... and it was complicated to acquire the openness without plucking the chords of dominant sex-roles - even if it went contrary to personal desires.
Low self esteem?
I want to be completely honest with this, I am a girl who finds it hard to become interested in anything else but forced sex and it dominates my sex life. Never would I want to be raped for real but I am so desperate to learn why I have this fantasy.
You say >>"Desirabilty - Many women like to believe that they're so attractive that men cannot resist the urge to overtake them. "<<
This is the easiest answer for me, I have a low self esteem and consider myself unattractive and so do a lot of other women out there.
Since I was a young teen I could not imagine someone 'making love' to me because they wanted me I imagined that they would treat me bad not care about me and just satisfy themselves. since then I have found I haven't wanted my partner to do anything sexually for me.
Also the sad and lonely victim is an attraction. Being locked away or kidnapped.. no responsibilities no stress .. like being someones pet no one has any expectations of you. Someone visits you pets you and treasures you. When I play acted as a child I'd want to be the goodie scared and helpless captured by the baddy.
Then your back to Desirability because the princesses in childrens films, stories and in fairy tales are never treated nicely. They are so beautiful that the mean man wants to lock them away like a bird in a cage to sing or dance for him forever and wouldn't anyone want to be desired that badly?
God I could go on forever its so weird and I am so troubled by it too. I hope this helps you in your studies
...interesting essay, and I
...interesting essay, and I enjoyed reading everyone's comments. but at the end of it all, if it's actually a fantasy, then it is not rape. Using the term rape in this context is misleading. I'm sure we can all agree there is a difference between rape, and acting out a fantasy, but using the same term makes rape seem enticing when in reality it is not. If you want someone to rape you, it's not really rape. I think we need to be careful in what words we use.
I was dissapointed to see
I was dissapointed to see that among your points of possible "explanation" for rape fantasies you did not include the prevalent sexualization of violence in our culture. . . watch any contemporary horror flick. I believe this is covered in Jackson Katz' video "Tough Guise". . .?
sexualization of violence
I would like to be honest. I
I would like to be honest. I do have a lot of Rape fantasy which I'm the victim. Even though I enjoy fantasying being the submissive one but in real life my personality is quite opposite. I'm mostly have a strong personality that shows people that they can't mess with me with out consequences, which makes most people of the opposite sex feels intimated, even though I'm just a girl of 5'2 and 113 pounds which is a pretty small stature. Mostly even though I have these fantasies I don't want to actually be a victim. I prefer to mostly have someone that desire me so much that they would force themselves on me but only if they are a desirable partner also. I don't know I guess it's not consider rape if you want it also but since I'm mostly a reserved person who never want to make the first move having the partner force himself on me is more like the idea.
Additional Notes
I absolutely don't buy the evolutionary psych approach, though I do imagine there are biological elements that will cause some women to have rape fantasies at all times and places.
Another important element to note is the addition of BDSM. While BDSM and rape fantasy communities do have some differences and antagonisms, there is also plenty of crossover. Adding in women with bondage fantasies to the numbers makes the proportion even more representative of women in general.
And yet another is that many women who wouldn't automatically fantasize about rape might find it hot in an individual context or small selection of contexts. That might explain romance novels, and certainly helps explain under-reporting. Maybe they'd only ever do it with their boyfriend... but they'd do it.
I have to say that the male rape culture argument makes some sense. Remember that changing gender roles doesn't necessarily mean liberation. In fact, if men are socialized to be increasingly docile (vis-a-vis their excess before) and submissive to women (again, switching to a healthy balance), then a backlash might occur which might come out in rape fantasies. Similarly, many liberated women I've encountered express plenty of misogynistic ideas in their fantasies. Sex is all about what's repressed.
Perhaps women want to be raped
Perhaps these fantasies are latent desires to actually be raped. For the most part, nice guys finish last. That is why women stay with abusive partners or cheat on the "nice" guy with men that treat them like garbage. Women want the excitement and unpredictability that abusers and rapists give them. I remember many years ago a woman on television justifying staying with an abuser by saying something along the lines of "you don't want a puppy (aka nice guy) that follows you around, you want excitement." It seems, then, that most women do want to be slapped around, beaten, humiliated, degraded, etc. The problem is that sometimes these women think this is what they want; then when it happens they find out it's not for them, and some then turn around and blame the man, even getting him into trouble with the law.
I agree that women don't
I agree that women don't want a puppy for a man but I disagree when you said women want to be beaten and humiliated. Mostly when a man shows neediness it a sign of weakness and make the man seem low and not worthy. But woman are attracted to strong and dominant male only because biology women want a strong male for not just mating for strong offspring but also protection. Just like cats when they mate the female cat only got for the strongest male. If there is only one male cat than the male cat have to fight to the female cat just to proof his worthiness. But knowing human their are a lot of asshole that just like to abuse people just because they feel small inside.
Gary, your theory arouses in
Gary, your theory arouses in me an avatistic desire to pull your pants off in the middle of the high school hallway and laugh like a hyena at your embarrassment.
I'm pretty sure it's an evolutionary artifact, intended to minimise the possible threat of a male who might try to act on an idea so detrimental to a female's welfare.
I advise you to get over the "nice guy' syndrome, by the way; the proper term for that behavior is passive-aggressiveness.
Woman Raped, later consents to have sex with previous rapist.
Have any studies been conducted on women that are raped and later consent to have sex with that rapist? I have always had this curiosity as to why a woman would months later have consensual sex with a man that once raped her. I have not had any luck finding any psychological studies explaining why this may occur.
I have looked into this a
I have looked into this a little bit. It could be that when a woman is raped, she feels powerless over the situation. by having consensual sex with her rapist, she is trying to prove to herself, and possibly him as well, that she is the one in control and that he has no power over her. I believe it's a part of regaining control over yourself and your life. Not a very healthy way to do it, I think, but only weeks after being raped, a woman generally isn't in the very best of psychological states. I am no expert, but in my research and personal experience, this is the reason I have found to be most prevalent.
What about the women who
What about the women who fantasise about raping men? Or men who fantasise about being raped? All of the articles I've ever read on the subject of rape fantasies come from a simplistic perspective wherein women only fantasise about being raped, never about being the rapist.
I was sorta surprised not to see...
I was sorta surprised not to see any mention of previous work on this subject, most notably Helen Hazen's book "Rape, Romance, and the Female Imagination" from about 25 years ago.
It would be interesting to write an essay on how the Feminist Studies fantasy of a "male rape culture" is itself a manifestation of some of the explanations presented. :>
(The fact is, there is no "male dominated" culture on the planet where rape is not both illegal and heavily punished.)
Finally, with regard to "Sympathetic Activation", I was somewhat surprised to see no explicit mention that women produce most/all of what testosterone they have in their adrenaline glands, which explains the stimulative effects of things like amusement park rides and horror flicks (which always involve a young/attractive female at risk). In short, danger juices the female libido in a big way. This is probably a large factor, given what extremely safe lives the average person lives these days.
Interesting article...
I know a few women who dont admit but wont deny that they have a rape fantasy, so i know it to be a fact that some women do, but i think that sometimes its better to leave it as a fantasy, i acted out a fantasy with a partner a few years ago and although it was good at the time i find my self completely un-entertained by it now, although it has expanded my form of sexuality massively. So i wonder if this is the case with most fantasys and maybe this one.
If a woman acted out a rape fatasy, would they be as interested in doing again afterwards or would they then want to refine it or even then swap it round?
reply to Cris
For all interested in this subject Iam sure I would make a good case study. And before anyone says it, Iam a sick puppy and already in therapy. I have been raped many times from childhood on and been in the sex industry including brothels dealing in BDSM. There is a big difference between the type of play rape with safe words, and real rape and that is why the terms BDSM are used, because with consential rape you can use safe words and only have the illusion of loss of control but with real rape you have no choise no say and the very real risk of being killed with no safe words. So anyone wanting or fanastasysing about this form of rape like me are in need of therepy.
I have played out many a fanasy in private and work life, men wanting to be raped and women, played the rapist and enjoyed it but my ultimate fanasy is being abducted, tied to a tree, wipped, throat cut,and raped violently by more than one man, then left to crawl for help out of the bush or made into a sex slave. But as a psyc student Iam left to wonder at what point do we stray from BDSM to rape? So in answer to the question yes women can and do up the anti. Also the attraction to a previous rapist, one time i was raped by a large violent male, I was only 16, after 2months I was pregnant and went back to the house to warn the woman he was with as she had children. I felt a strong urge to relive the situation with him, my psyc said"when a women is raped she involuntarly orgasms, this is her bodys coping devise,and it may be the strongest orgasm she will ever have in her life as the body tends to overdo it to protect you". This should explain the reason a woman might have consentual sex with her rapist after the event, either way I would not recomend doing this as it is not good for the womans mental or physical safety and health. People like me who would give over every thing including risking our lives, risking being capive till death are a rare breed, thankfully. The only explanation I give is that at 7 I was put through a pedophile ring where rape and torture forced me to dig deep and find a strength few people find, that and I found it to be an easier life than out here.At least in captivity you find out pretty quick where you stand and you know who your enemy is. On the outside it is easiy to be betraide. I wish I was back there that I never servived it and that I never brought kids into this messed up world. Sleep well:)
Dimitri the Lover explains why women want to be raped ...
He teaches men how to legally rape women with their minds:
http://www.dimitrithelover.com/toronto_real_men_october_2009.html
Possibly societal conditioning?
Personally, I think a lot of it is societal conditioning. Someone mentioned horror movies. Violence and weak women are sexualized--from porn to monster movies. Little boys get toy guns and soldiers while girls get curvaceous Barbies. It all seems very strange to me.
I am a queer woman and I do not have rape fantasies. In fact, none of the queer women I know do, though many of my straight friends have such fantasies. I am curious about the statistics of queer people and rape fantasies.
I don't understand how evolution or biology would have much to do with it. If that was the case, wouldn't more women regardless of sexual orientation have these fantasies? And how would it explain women (like me) who have the opposite fantasy--of strong women or domination of men?
Why is all this attention being paid to women's rape fantasies? It's not as taboo as men who want to be raped or even strong warrior women.
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