Between the Lines

Dr Mills, Dr Lyubansky provides a link containing the removed article. It points to Quora.com, which is an invite-only Q&A social platform. Awesome place if you didn't check it out yet.
I'd be honored to send you an invite, but you might prefer to get it from one of your fellow PT bloggers.

I extend the invitation to interested readers. Send me an email to cameigons at hotmail.fr and I'll send you and invite.

I understand that you are trying to play "Devil's Advocate" here, but in the future, using Winston Churchill in a racially charged argument is nonsensical. While understandable in his time, many of Churchill's views have now been condemned as imperialist at best and racist at worst.

I understand that you didn't read the original article. The title was changed multiple times, each time trying to mitigate his attack on a specific group of people. It was a thinly-veiled and uncalled for attack, from someone who is commonly referenced as "the great idiot of social science."

No. It isn't ok to attack someone with your personal views in the name of science (with no real scientific method or empirical research, but rather a "graph" with your own opinion). Just as it isn't ok to discriminate against someone based on height or age. We are better than this.

Thank you for pointing out height discrimination against males, though. This is often ignored and should be tackled more often as well.

in the nicest possible way that black women look like men so of course we would be seen as less attractive?

I think you missed the entire point of the article which is, since the topic is so subjective you cannot do a scientific study. You can try to do it by measuring the symmetry of a woman's face or perhaps the widths of noses vs width of lips or some other such measurement but in general there is so specific scientific gauge.

As the author said you'd have to take into account cultural biases and your subjects would have to cover all sort of cultural, age, and location boundaries.

It's not that it's not a pretty outcome it's that it is one based on such prejudices that change every decade. When I was younger only black and Hispanic men seemed to like big butts. Here comes a light package (J Lo) and eventually white ones (Jessica Biel and the like) and suddenly Kim Kardashian is advertising shoes that make your butt round, high and tight. Oh how times have changed.

Sorry for the 95 degree turn away from the scientific but my point is studies may show a preference but reality shows that when it comes to attraction and mating "preferences" tend to fall by the wayside when confronted with real life people interacting with one another.

Fact does trump curtesy and a published paper by Lewis finds black and white women are rated as more masculine than their white counterparts.

You're saying that 'the truth hurts', but the problem is that there is NO 'truth' to what he is saying.
There is no higher testosterone level in any race of women. No science has ever discovered that. Individual women who have higher testosterone levels(due to health conditions)are all races. He stated an opinion as a fact which is the epitome of academic incompetency.
There are jokes that German women are quite masculine but those are perceptions, not facts.
The simple reason why some people may believe that black women are less attractive is: white people control society. that society presents their most beautiful white women (who in mags are always airbrushed nonetheless). these white women have very different features from black women and so some people may deem BW as less attractive but it's just society brainwash.

What he should have written about is WHY do Asian women constantly bleach their skin and why is eye surgery and nose jobs common amongst Asian women: because they are trying to fit into a societal deemed beauty. But I digress.

Populations outside of Africa have more genetic "mutations" than populations that never left Africa, adaptation and all that, even though us physical anthropologists (actual scientists!) prefer to call them genetic adaptations. In any case, genes changed and/or got left behind to ensure survival of those migrating populations, those genes that were in use/necessary in Africa but were no longer needed in new environments were no longer selected for so they either were eventually bred out or became recessive. It's one of the ideas behind the Neanderthal debate, did they interbreed with modern Homo sapien and were they bred out of existence because their genes weren't selected for? But I digress.

Testosterone levels in women or men do not change across ethnic groups. Genes, environment, etc determine hormone levels. Dude is an idiot with an obvious axe to grind and this publication and the editor that allowed this post to be published are grossly negligent, though I have to wonder if the subject of this post where any other ethnicity, would this moron or another like him even have been provided with a platform? Why is it always OK to beat up on black women? Screw it, what doesn't kill me makes me stronger ;)

couldn't agree with you more.

Thanks Dr. lyubanski Great work.

Okay, explain the tanning beads, tanning sprays, the injection of lips to make them fuller, and last, but not least, the Brazilian butt lift. How much revenue do these industries generate in a year. Look up the millions of dollars spent by women trying to mimic the natural traits of some Black women. The women spending these dollars obviously do not agree with you, and evidently their men don't agree, or why would these women spend so much money annually to get what I was born with, and yes , I consider myself beautiful. By the way, I am very black, and my husband is Caucasian. Go figure, or even better, go look.
The African continent is where human life began, so everything else is a mutation. What a pompous idiot you are, Kanazawa.

I am a Black woman and I am not outraged by the post because of my race or my common sense, but because as you state in the last sentence it was pathetic science. What does annoy me is that PT let it ride and the fact that this type of baseless "science" is used by the ignorant to justify their hateful attitudes.