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There is no evidence that animals are inherently warlike. We need to stop using animals to justify our own cruel, evil, and warlike behavior. Read More















cf. "Chimps go on the Warpath" NYT 6/21/10
An article two weeks ago from the New York Times that speaks for itself, and challenges your theory. Here's the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/science/22chimp.html
And here's the lede:
Every day, John Mitani or a colleague is up at sunrise to check on the action among the chimpanzees at Ngogo, in Uganda’s Kibale National Park. Most days the male chimps behave a lot like frat boys, making a lot of noise or beating each other up. But once every 10 to 14 days, they do something more adult and cooperative: they wage war.
A band of males, up to 20 or so, will assemble in single file and move to the edge of their territory. They fall into unusual silence as they penetrate deep into the area controlled by the neighboring group. They tensely scan the treetops and startle at every noise. “It’s quite clear that they are looking for individuals of the other community,” Dr. Mitani says.
When the enemy is encountered, the patrol’s reaction depends on its assessment of the opposing force. If they seem to be outnumbered, members of the patrol will break file and bolt back to home territory. But if a single chimp has wandered into their path, they will attack. Enemy males will be held down, then bitten and battered to death. Females are usually let go, but their babies will be eaten.
Hey, you don’t have to tell
Hey, you don’t have to tell ME that it’s stupid to justify undesirable human behavior by pointing out that animals (including animals closely related to humans) do the same thing. But I have to wonder… why have you waited until NOW to condemn that kind of thinking?
I have yet to see ANYONE saying, “Our primate relatives wage war, so obviously war is a good, healthy and natural activity.” If and when I encounter someone making such arguments, I’ll gladly tear their silly arguments apart. On the other hand, I FREQUENTLY see more liberal-minded zoologists point to same-sex play among primates as “proof” that homosexuality is both natural and good.
Have you been equally quick to condemn that kind of thinking? Why not? If it’s foolish to justify a human activity you disapprove of on the grounds that “other primates do it,” why isn’t it equally foolish to justify other behaviors that you like better on identical grounds?
I’ve got an idea- why not study primate behavior without an agenda? Let the Jane Goodalls observe their apes and tell us what they see. Primate behavior is fascinating in its OWN right. It needn’t hold any lessons for how modern humans should behave.
We humans aren't chimps and we aren't bonobos. Whether you're a War hawk or a peacenik, whether you're a Moral Majoritarian or a gay marriage enthusiast, why not make the best case you can for your positions without worrying what our simian cousins do?
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