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My many posts on anger have distinguished the natural function of the emotion - to protect something of value - from anger problems - the recurring experience of anger that makes one act against one's best interests.
The issue of anger problems is not a simplistic distinction between primary and secondary emotions, which is just a straw-man argument.
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I appreciate your response, Dr. Stosny, to my response to your posting. While it seems we may not see eye to eye on this subject, we can both agree that the topic is terribly important, and worthy of public discussion and debate such as this.
It sounds like what you refer to as "problem anger" is what I call pathological anger or rage. In that regard, yes, of course, such anger tends to be destructive, negative and self-defeating. But my point has to do with how this anger became pathological. If you concur that not all anger is pathological, then the question becomes where does pathological anger come from? I believe you attribute it primarily to "fear and shame phobia," if I understand you correctly.
My position is that yes, when normal, healthy, or even narcissistic anger is chronically repressed, denied or suppressed, it becomes pathological anger or rage. Part of the reaason it was repressed in the first place pertains to shame, fear and vulnerability, especially during infancy and childhood, as well as to socialization.
I don't subscribe to a "ventilationist" approach in therapy. Nor do I validate or support inappropriate or pathological anger. But I do acknowledge and validate appropriate anger, especially in cases where the patient him or herself has difficulty doing so. I find that first the anger must be consciously acknowledged and accepted before patients are ready and able to move beyond it. Not acted out.
One example of this would be in the area of forgiveness: It would be nice (and convenient) if we didn't feel so angry and could forgive those who we feel wounded us one way or another. But first the anger must be fully acknowledged and addressed if forgiveness is to follow.
The adaptive brain
My forthcoming comment
My apologies to Dr. Stosny and interested readers for not checking in before now to read Dr. Stosny's latest response in our passionate discussion/debate about anger: what it is and what to do with it. Having now seen it, as soon as I have some time to respond to Dr. Stosny again here, I will, assuming this is the appropriate place to do so. Hopefully, in the next few days.
Anger Mismanagement: Reply to Dr. Stosny
Readers following this discussion can find my most recent response to Dr. Stosny posted under the title "Anger Mismanagement: Reply to Dr. Stosny" at http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/blog/evil-deeds/200901/anger-mismanagem...
You're BOTH Right
I wrote my story, but then decided to delete it. I may reconsider later.
You are BOTH right.
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