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Psychedelics Let the World In

But instead of turning on, tuning in, and dropping out, the chemicals we prefer today help us turn off, tune out, and drop in—into a solipsistic safety zone, protected from too much reality. Read More

SSRI's treat serious conditions

Most people are not taking SSRI's to be safe, comfortable and secure. They aren't taking them to protect themselves from reality. In fact, taking an SSRI helps people gain a more realistic perspective and problem solve resulting in better functioning across all areas of life. Without the medication, they could be jobless, dead, or hospitalized. I don't think you have any idea what anxiety and depression feels like, if you did you wouldn't had written such a poorly informed post. Depression and anxiety is not reality, as you imply, they are actually distortions of realty that create all kinds of problems for people. Please do some more research on what depression and anxiety are, it's not just cowardess or discomfort. Your article is just another example of how some people dismiss the reality of mental illness, you might as well be saying people who are suffering from mental illness should pull themselves up by the bootstraps and snap out of it. It's the same mentality disguised by hippy romanticism. And this is coming from someone who would identify as a hippy. Let me just say that any discomfort or anxiety you felt on your trips, could never compare to the despair of long term depression or the life shaking experience of PTSD or OCD. I have met many many people tripping on acid or shrooms at Phish shows an I can tell you they are some of the very least. Open minded people I've ever met. Baby boomers need to get over themselves.

I get your point.

I think you make a very valid point -- although boxing and disparaging me as an indulgent baby boomer doesn't help it much. You're right about the importance of SSRIs for people who suffer terribly from depression, anxiety, and related disorders. And by the way, I've known plenty of depression and anxiety in my own life -- not long-term at clinical levels, but I've had some pretty nasty periods and a lot of helplessness.

My article set up a dichotomy and even a symmetry between LSD on one hand and SSRIs on the other, based on their opposite effects on serotonin levels. I think there's something important that this neurobiological phenomenon tells us about the psychological effects of these drugs. I think it's truly interesting that one pill makes you larger, and the other makes you small, so to speak. I've spent a lot of time and effort trying to make connections between brain and mind when it comes to drugs, and I detail my own struggles with depression and addiction in my book, Memoirs of an Addicted Brain. But I admit I took artistic licence with this article: I emphasized the contrast between these drugs in order to write a compelling and intriguing piece of journalism. I did not tell the whole story, and you are telling another side of the story which is also important.

I'll take this as a lesson learned. In fact, I'd like to do another post in which I look at SSRIs from a different angle. I can point out how the "comfort" bestowed by SSRIs is so necessary to relieve suffering, especially following the traumatic events that often precede depression and anxiety, and how they help people build crucial bridges back to a world with light and joy in it.

Sorry for disparaging you

Thanks for listening and I am sorry for some of my harsh words. I've struggled with depression and anxiety all my life and the SSRI was the only thing that helped me. I tried meditation, yoga, vitamins, and in the end, that one tiny pill is what worked. In the meantime, I've heard people argue that there's no need for the medication for a variety of reasons from it being a placebo to putting everything in God's hands. These dangerous messages encouraged me to go off the medsfor 9 months and then I had a very traumatic episode where I could barely function. When I got back on the meds I improved greatly. So I am truly sorry, I'm just sensitive to criticism of SSRIs. Thank you.

Thank you

Thanks so much for your honesty and you insight. There is nothing more compelling than people's intense stories about their own subjective experience. And thanks for your apology. I can appreciate your sensitivity, and I suppose I deserved a slap for being glib about it all. Journalism these days has these stylistic parameters -- you have to be peppy and almost cute while telling a real story with real interest. But the story you are telling has nothing cute about it. It is heart-rending, and it teaches me a lot.

I have heard about or read some of the recent attacks on SSRIs, and your experience is useful for me and for readers of this blog to get a more thorough perspective. People very close to me have used antidepressants with good results, and I am certainly not moralistic about drugs in general. Different people take different drugs for different reasons, and with very different effects, and there should be no moralizing or judging from the outside.

So, I will keep your story with me and hopefully bring it back out in a helpful way
when I write more about serotonergic drugs.

Best,
Marc

P.S. It's refreshing to have a real dialogue in these comment sections. That's not always the way it goes.

Placebos

I agree Marc, it is nice to have real dialogue, people can get abusive on these forums sometimes. There was a lot I liked about your post, especially the description of what LSD actually does to the brain. It brought up a lot of questions for me, such as what is reality? and is what we perceive when on psychedelics reality as well? one that we can't perceive sober? Are these hallucinations or just another way of perceiving? Then my brain exploded! Lol.

After reading your response to my original post I could see you have good intentions. And I immediately felt bad for being too harsh. A little background - there are some bloggers on the PT website who are downright dangerous and write posts that are heavily biased, driven by agenda and their egos, and not based in research. I won't name names, but I have actually seen firsthand how they have hurt people. Often their blog posts go viral because so many people made comments (in disagreement). Then they get re posted and referenced elsewhere on the net and people start taking it as truth. This has been a problem with attachment parenting gurus, for example. When people disagree with them, they don't listen and they keep pushing their own agendas and don't care about the consequences. So, I realized I misjudged your intentions after reading your response. You actually care about your audience.

Some more background...the 60 minute interview with Irving Kirsch came out at just about the time I started slipping into a mild depressive state. We had a lot of family stress going on and I considered increasing my medication. Then I got very confused about Kirsch's "findings" that SSRIs are effective but only because they are placebos. I attempted to do my own research on it, but it took me down a rabbit hole(to continue the Alice in Wonderland references.) In the meantime, my symptoms worsened, and everyday tasks were becoming increasingly difficult.

I recognized I was in a familiar place and decided to increase the meds just a bit. And, you know what? It helped - again! I have a hard time believing it's just placebo. For a few reasons: 1. I find relief from symptoms gradually over time. Even after my expectations of what the meds could do for me waned. 2. I had just as much, if not more, faith in alternative medicine practices, but they were not as effective. 3. Often we hear about antidepressants causing suicidal tendencies in young children or teens, why is this? Obviously, the medication is altering the brain in some way. Why is it such a leap to conclude it also affects the brain in a positive way for adults?

I realize anecdotal evidence means practically nothing, but, heck, my subjective experience means a lot to me :) Ultimately, I went with my gut and ignored the hoopla about placebos.

So anyway, that's the full story. Thanks again for really listening...Kristen

MDMA

I don't like that you are sticking MDMA in with SSRI drugs. Many people very interested in the "Door of Perception" are super interested in MDMA. In fact, it is very much a mild psychedelic for some users. Anyways, I like how you put SSRIs with "Instead of turning on, tuning in, and dropping out, they help us turn off, tune out, and drop in – into a solipsistic safety zone, protected from too much reality." There has been a lot of research showing the SSRIs are actually just placebos with negative side effects as well.

Not so fast...

I think the comment above can help us ignore some of the recent claims that SSRIs are just placebos. I believe that they can be truly helpful, even life-saving, as the previous reader shows us so clearly. So I'm a bit abashed by calling the place they take people "a solipsistic safety zone." Yet they do bestow comfort and often they blunt aspects of perception and cognition (for example, therapeutically speaking, they can blunt intrusive thoughts and excessive rumination). Believe it or not, MDMA has very similar effects, and that's because it has a very similar neural action: it allows serotonin to build up in the synapses. You can think of it as a super-charged antidepressant. Check out this fascinating site for details: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/ . And of course MDMA can have harmful side-effects as well, such as lingering depression in the short-term.

There's nothing wrong with showing commonalities between these drugs, even though one is used to comfort the anguish of depression and the other is used to dive into an even bigger pool of comfort. That comfort zone helps people feel more intimacy with other people, and maybe, as you say, it provides a springboard for exploring inner space, just as did the psychedelics of my own youth.

Err... serotonergic

Err... serotonergic psychedelics are 5HT2A agonists, not antagonists. They engage those receptors, not block them.

It's true that their effects are functionally opposed to SSRIs' effects, which over the long term desensitize the 5HT2A receptors and favor activation of the 5HT1A receptors. And it's true that MDMA is a more powerful 5HT1A agonist than the classical psychedelics or the SSRIs. But to be fair, it activates all the 5HT receptors because it's a releasing agent more than a selective receptor agonist.

At any rate, if you're going to interpret what MDMA tells us about ourselves then do it in light of its overall effects, not just those it shares with SSRIs. MDMA is well-loved for its enhancement of social connections primarily, and musical enjoyment secondarily. So I think it tells us that we miss having deep, meaningful experiences with other people. However, it also suggests that we may want to use those experiences as a way to avoid all the negativity in our lives, both social and otherwise.

I do think you're right that people crave change less nowadays. The world is so different now than it was 10 years ago, and we really have no idea what all is going to change over the next 10 years. So why would people need to drop acid to experience new things? New things are a dime a dozen in 2012.

If you want to talk about people desiring to escape change and uncertainty, what do you think about anxiolytic abuse or the increased use of diversionary entertainment? That discussion might be a bit more productive than one about SSRIs. To me personally, use of SSRIs represents little more than Big Pharma's capitalization on our difficulties adapting to environments that continue to move farther and farther away from those we evolved in. But I think TV, computers, and games are the new anxiolytics, and that in and of itself ought to say a whole lot about us.

By the way, all the

By the way, all the criticisms of my above post are academic, not personal. I love this blog, and I'm a bit bothered that you keep getting negative responses to your posts. If it's any consolation, I think it just means that you're saying engaging, challenging things about emotionally rich topics, because contention is the natural outcome of that. It means people care about these subjects and they're paying attention to this blog and thinking hard about what it says. I applaud you for doing this, and for making public some of the difficulties you worked so hard to overcome.

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Marc Lewis, Ph.D. has been a professor of developmental psychology and neuroscience for over 20 years. Memoirs of an Addicted Brain is a user-friendly account of how drugs affect the brain. more...

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