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Child Support: How Much is Too Much?

On Jan. 1, Massachusetts adopted new child-support guidelines that will likely raise the amount paid by non-custodial parents, usually fathers.

Are the new guidelines excessive and unfair, as a lawsuit charges? Or were the old guidelines too stingy? How much child support is enough? How much is too much? Read More

The numbers need to be run

To get an accurate idea of how fair/unfair these changes are, the numbers would need to be run. The numbers would need to be run on a pre-change basis and a post change basis; and it would be nice to run the pre/post analysis on different tiers of income pairs. Low income dad, high income mom; medium income dad, high income mom, etc; these different analyses would have to be compared to the standard of living the each party had before change.

Also, another couple of things that would be nice to know before a policy decision was made: 1) how much does it take to raise a kid, and, 2) when does the rate of return diminish, the effect on the well being of the child of the next dollar sent to the custodial parent, so that giving the custodial parent more money doesn’t make sense.

Doing these kinds of analysis would help to define whether or not the child support changes made are good or bad.

Later,

B

Its all about Title IV-D

The policy makers do not care about how much it actually costs to raise the child. They care about how much tax money they can reasonable extort from the unknowing public.

For every dollar paid in child support, the federal governement gives that state two dollars.
This courtesy of the Social Security Welfare Reform Act Title IV-D.

This is a 64 billion dollar/year racket. Take away the federal funding and you will see things change.

Steven Kneussle

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My brother was ordered to pay child support, and he want's to know the estimate on how much does he needs to pay for child support? He makes 65k annually. He had numbers in his mind based on the info he got from this website http://echildsupportcalculator.com/ He thinks they are asking for too much. Please advise. Thanks. Dixie from Alabama

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I have paid the custodial parent ( who makes over 100K a year) $91,000 in Child Support. That does not include several trips to Colorado and one to England with my daughter. Also, i hardly ever get to see her. Now - the HFS is saying i owe $69,000 for the last eight years.

I need help fighting these guys - perhaps a lawyer (I can't afford one)? My life has been ruined - i have no savings now. Has my constitutional rights of innocent until proven guilty been violated?

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wow so you pay 700 a month and you made 56k last year! SORRY TO HEAR THAT ,,,i HAVE BEEN PAYING HER 900 A MONTH AND I ON MADE 50K A YEAR. DO YOU THINK I AM PAYING TO MUCH OR SHOULD I I GO TO COURT OVER THIS.... ?? bUT NOW I NOT MAKING TO MUCH A YEAR

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This is all crazy to me because I only make 42K a year and I pay 720 per month. I think I am paying way too much

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My husband has been paying his ex-wife child support for years. A year ago she moved to California (we live in TN)and took the child with her and she remarried. My husband only makes 15 dollars an hour and they are taking 100 dollars out of his check each week. So basically he barely brings home 400 a week. His business has really slowed down and we are seriously having trouble paying bills. The thing that gets me, is she and her new huband (Literally) make 4 times our salary. She is a nurse and he is a pilot. So it just doesnt seem fair that we are struggling to make ends meet, and they have plenty of money. The child is 8 and has a brand new laptop, Wii, Etc.... Its just very frustrating that we can really use the money we give to her each month. We are looking into selling our house and renting because we cannot afford our house note anymore.

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I have been married for the last 4 years. My wife and I have a 5 year old son and a 3 year old daughter. I have been paying child support since before we got married. I use to make $16 an hour and they would take out $120 for one child every week. I was unemployed for 2009 and just gort back into work and i only make $8.50 an hour and they are still taking the $120 from my only $270 check. I have written them and called and seem to get the run around. I only make enough money to put gas in my truck to get to work for the week. I have to live with my grandmother because I cannot even afford them new clothes and their mom refuses to help me even though im helping them. Their mom lives with her grandmother as well but she never works or tries to find work. She lives off what the state gives her for cash assistance from the state and food stamps. she is even trying to get more money out of me. Im so close to the edge that i feel that Im getting nowhere. Im in this alone without any support or acknowledgement of me trying. I think the state is taking full advantage of a FATHER who is trying to be a father than those dads that are low lifes and couldnt care less about ther children. My kids are my world and my world would be crushed without them but sometimes I feel like me trying is not good enough. ANY ADVICE would be great. Please... I need help...

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GO TO THE FAMILY/PROBATE COURT AND TELL THEM YOU NEED TO MODIFY THE ORDER BECAUSE YOUR NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY. YOU'LL GO TO COURT AND FILL OUT A FORM FOR HOW MUCH YOU MAKE AND WHAT YOUR BILLS ARE. THEY WILL DETERMINE HOW MUCH YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY. BUT I KNOW WITH MY DAUGHTERS FATHER THEY SAID HE HAS TO WORK FULL TIME AND MAKE MIN. WAGE. HOPE THAT HELPS :)

Actually, it depends on the

Actually, it depends on the state. In Colorado they decide it based off of gross income and how much the custodial parents pays for daycare and health care. Also, how many overnights the Non Custodial Parent takes their kid is used to factor the amount.

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What state are you in? You have to go online to the child support website and find a request for modification application or form. Fill it out and submitted by fax or in person. Call in a couple days and verify they recieved the request. You have to state on the form that you are making significantly less money more than 15% less than the child support order is for. Keep doing this until you recieve a letter acknowledging your request and what they are going to do about it. Keep fighting for your rights and keep being a good man to your children.
Best wishes
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Hey there. I am in the same position as you. My husband pays his ex 107.00 weekly for his daughter. His ex is fully employed and remarried for years now and he makes a good living. They are always on vacations, brand new suv's, 300,000 house. We rent, have two old vehicles that we can barely payments on. My husband makes 16.00 an hour and I am a stay at home parent going to school full time. His daughter goes and spends 2-300.00 dollars a time shopping. She has money on her at all times. Gets a new phone every 6 months, top of the line. Etc. We are barely getting by. To go to dinner at an applebee's is a treat for us. I am frustrated and getting tired of us scraping by and them living the life.. SUCKS!!

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i know how you feel about bein frustrated about barely scraping by i was making 8 an hour and having 100 a week out of my check only leaving me 100 a week to live on after insurance for car and food to eat was no money left to live anyplace so i had to live in my car for few years and child support place was not willing to adjust amount at all court was not willing to help either cause the one time i did get to go to court when they wanted more cause i got overtime at work for a little while was only willing to raise it so i had to get 2 full time jobs working 16 to 20 hours a day killing myself to eventualy get a place of my own instead of live in car till i told them off in court telling them to stop raising it or i would stop paying and let them put me in prison at least there i would have water elec and food could live better there than on my own then they finnaly backed off so i could live in a house with no cable no phone no gas just a house with elec but it was a home at least

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why should the state decide what kids are more important.

You know i am in the same boat as you my fiance and i have been together for five years and engaged for five years we can not get married in fear that they will take everything that i have as well. We have three children outside of his other two that he pays a hundred dollars a week as well on and he makes only 10. an hour. My children have had to suffer for years in the heat because we cant afford a car with ac and she rides around in new cars every year on top of my mother in law his mother dong everything for her, she pays for school clothes and anything else they need, has them every day babysitting, the baby momma used to live there and she still took him for back she even told his mother she did it to get back at him. But back to the point my children have to do without s, stand in line at churches for clothes, while she collects all that money on top of everything his mother does and, why are her kids more important than mine they get a dollar toy every week and can barely pay rent but she is sitting high and mighty why are my kids lees important.

Thats nothing, i was a stay

Thats nothing, i was a stay at home mom since the day i got pregnant. I did everything with my children, my ex did nothing not even going with us on vacations, was involved in nothing...but because i was stay at home mom and didnt make any money once we seperated and he made $85,000 he got custody. I pay childsupport I make $20,000 year and pay him $5500 year plus half medical. He also does not buy them clothes so I have to otherwise they would have none. I am remarried. My husband makes $27000 year and he pays his ex $9500 year + half of medical and ins and life ins + we have to buy them clothes and everything they do at school including high dollar outfits for pagents and things and now there is talk of dance lessons and a car! We litterally live on nothing. We still have to maintain our home, and vehicles for work. we have a house payment and electric/gas bill we have very old cars no car payments no cable tv nothing...there are weeks we go with only 11 dollars in the bank...and we have our kids 40% of the time....try feeding 4 kids on $11. Our exes go on vacations, go to spas, bought new cars, have remodeled their homes several times (this year alone) yet we have nothing, and they give our kids nothing. I just want to scream at the Judges "WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?" I would much rather have my kids and collect no child support than this mess. Weve consulted a lawyer and were told there is nothing we can do until my kids are 18 and my husbands ar 25! (or earn their bachlors degree) whichever comes last.

Same Boat

We're in the same boat... except reverse. The mother along with her new husband bought a new house and are remodeling it themselves, spending every dime of Child Support we give them on the home and not the children. We can't afford to buy them clothes either. The eldest, a girl, has maybe 7 shirts total. She doesn't dare ask for anything from us, which I find odd since we've never given her the impression we wouldn't take her to the mall but it seems like she knows we pay her mom. I always hear them talking about how broke they are too with all the money they pour into the house. Sure it looks great with all hard-wood floors and a pool and a large flat screen tv but they have a ton of junk and our house looks bare compared to theirs. I don't really care about that, it's just that it seems like there's always a parent who doesn't do anything and it's the one who earns the child support payments.

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I am in the SAME boat as you. My hubby's ex wife and her new husband are living the good life while we are struggling to keep our head above water. We have a new baby and can barely make ends meet, she keeps trying to take more & more from us. The gluttony of it all is disguting to me. It makes me furious that he EVER lied eyes on that 300 lbs of animal feces that parades herself as a woman.

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