Criminal Justice
Michael Welner, M.D., talks to PT news editor Kaja Perina about forensic psychiatry in the courtroom
How depraved is the act of defiling a corpse? What about bombing a
building at the time of maximum occupancy? Such unsavory questions
constitute the Depravity Scale, an attempt to define "heinous, depraved,
atrocious and cruel" behavior. Michael Welner, M.D., is the scale's
architect. Welner is also chairman of the Forensic Panel, editor in chief
of The Forensic Echo and associate professor of psychiatry at New York
University.
Kaja Perina: How do you define depravity?
Michael Welner: It's an intentional act that by virtue of its
motivation, activities and associated attitudes reflects sadism, blood
lust and a contempt or self-absorption with regard to its effect on the
victim.
KP: Why do we need this scale?
MW: Cases come up in which the defense contests someone having
committed a "heinous" or "vile" crime -- over the definition of the word.
They are saying that the court's determination is arbitrary. If this
keeps coming up at the appellate level, then we've got a problem. Also,
in criminal and civil cases the standard for words such as "outrageous"
may be different from one state to the next, and the jury just says, "How
do I feel about this?" It should be the jury's decision. But it should be
driven by relevant evidence, rather than by an emotional argument that
may come down to the lawyer's skills.
KP: But aren't responses to the Depravity Scale ultimately based on
emotion?
MW: The points are presented equally to everyone. People see the
same examples, and that's one of the reasons we need a large sample
size.
KP: Have previous attempts been made to standardize these
terms?
MW: There have been flirtations with psychiatry's ability to define
evil, but that's as far as it goes. There's a sense of, "Can we approach
this, because its so theological?"
KP: Is psychiatry viewed as traditionally siding with the defense?
If so, will your scale remedy that perception?
MW: Yes. Psychiatry only enters the equation of a criminal case at
the request of a defense attorney. A prosecutor can only bring psychiatry
in to rebut what a defense attorney raises. So I want to make sure that
the scale is nondenominational and not just another tool that's raised to
be rebutted.
KP: How does September 11 factor into the Depravity Scale?
MW: People look at the hijackers and readily attach this spectrum
of depravity. But they're overlooking the very real possibility that
these people were brainwashed, much the way destructive cult followers
are. So are we dealing with depravity, or with an act of war? Is bin
Laden psychopathic and depraved in his actions, or is he simply an
Islamic populist?
Go to www.depravityscale.org to answer the questionnaire.
STATISTICS
VIOLENCE
76 percentage of the world's serial killers who are American
22 frequency in seconds of violent crime in the U.S.
57 percentage increase of inmates on death row in past
decade
2.7 percentage of U.S. citizens victimized by violent crimes
71 percentage of sex-crime victims age 17 or younger
PHOTO (COLOR): Michael Welner, M.D.
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