We have learned much from our couples over the last 11 years that
we try to bring to our own marriages. Two things: One is the importance
of building and maintaining a friendship in your marriage so that you
give your partner the benefit of the doubt when times are tough. This
takes constant work. The second thing is that you have a choice every
time you say something to your partner. You can say something that will
either nurture the relationship or tear it down. You may win a particular
fight with your spouse, but you could lose the marriage in the long
In this article, we show just how we diagnose the health of a
marriage. Using three examples of dialogue from real couples discussing
their problems, we will illustrate how reading between the lines of
people's arguments can predict where some marriages have gone wrong-and
why others have stayed strong. Welcome to the "Love Lab!"
Susan, 45, and Bob, 47, have been married for 23 years.
Bob: Um, communication. The question is...
Susan: How we disagree.
B: On communication?
S: You don't see a need for it.
B: Oh yeah.
S: You just said you kept to yourself.
B: Well, yeah, I just...I dunno. Idle chitchat, I guess.
S: You what?
B: Idle chitchat, I guess, if that is what you refer to as
S: What do you mean, chitchat?
B: General run-of-the-mill bull.
S: There's nonverbal communication if you're tuned in.
B: (Nods head)
S: Like that man said in that canoeing class, as they went over the
rapids, that they were still communicating.
B: That's true. What do you think we need to talk about more then?
S: Well, I think when there's a problem, or I'm trying to tell you
something, sometimes I shouldn't have to say anything. You can know when
I'm in a hurry or tired.
B: I just take communication as being, uh, should we sit down and
discuss things more fully.
S: We don't sit down and discuss anything unless it's a problem, or
if somebody gets mad. You know lots of families have what they call,
which is kinda silly, but a weekly meeting or some time when they just
sit down and talk about everything that has been going on there all week,
what they like and don't like.
B: We used to have those at home.
S: That's a little far-fetched, maybe, but I'm just saying.
B: I know. I just...
S: It makes sense.
B: ...you know what major problem we have at work is
S: It's a problem everywhere.
B: Yeah. Yeah.
S: People don't say what they mean.
B: Or assume that people know what they mean or want.
S: Well, how many times have I asked you what's wrong, and you say
nothing. And then a month later you say what was wrong and I couldn't
have guessed it in a million years.
B: I don't know why that is. Why, you know, you can ask almost
anybody at work what's bothering them.
S: But you never ask me what's wrong.
B: Maybe I know.
S: No, I don't think you do.
B: Maybe I just enjoy the quietness of it. I don't know.
S: Well, seriously, I think that as long as we've been married that
you don't know very much about me at all.
B: No, I think it's true; about both of us maybe.
GOTTMAN SAYS: This couple rates quite low in marital satisfaction.
They are also emotionally disengaged, with high depression in addition to
marital distress. The marriage has generally low conflict, but also low
positivity (shared romance, humor, affection)--the best marker of
emotional disengagement. Our findings suggest that, in general,
emotionally disengaged couples divorce later in life than those who have
a "hotter," more explosive pattern of unhappiness, although this couple
did not break up.
This couple is also in a state of gridlocked conflict. Susan and
Bob keep coming close to resolving their issue, which is that Bob would
rather keep to himself than communicate. But they don't--they keep
recycling it over and over again. Emotional disengagement is often a
later stage of continued gridlock. After a while, a "hot" couple begins
polarizing their positions, digging in and becoming more stubborn,
vilifying one another, then trying to isolate the problem. Unfortunately,
most gridlocked conflict cannot be permanently enclaved, and negotiations
to fix a problem reach a stalemate.
The reason gridlocked conflicts don't get resolved is because there
is an underlying life dream within each person that isn't being
fulfilled. Susan's dream is expressed when she says, "You never ask me
what's wrong." Bob responds that "maybe I just enjoy the quietness"--that
he prefers emotional distance to fighting--but she sadly replies that he
doesn't know her at all. They are lacking in what we call "love maps,"
which spouses construct by being interested in each other and tracking
each other's stresses, hopes, dreams, concerns, etc. Her latent wish for
love maps keeps them from agreeing to the weekly meeting plan.
This couple is still married, but unhappily so.
Valerie, 24, and Mark, 25, have a young baby. They have recently
moved, and both have new jobs.
Valerie: (Laughter) We don't go that long without talking.
Mark: I know, I just start going stir-crazy.
Valerie: The problem...
V: ...is, you told me that when you took the job as manager at
Commonwealth that you'd come home in the afternoons and spend some time
M: That's right, but I did not say that it would start in the first
week when I'm trying to do two different jobs. I gotta get myself
replaced. Right now, I'm not just a manager.
V: It's been three weeks.
M: Well, I just don't go out on the street and say "Hey you. Want
to sell insurance?" It's not that easy. There's two people in the
program. One of them is probably gonna be hired within the next couple
weeks. But in the meantime it's tough. It's just the way it's gotta
V: I realize that.
M: At midnight when you get off work and you're all keyed up, I'm
all worn out. I haven't been stimulated for two hours.
V: I realize that. That doesn't bother me that much, you going to
sleep at night.
M: I'll just be starting to go to sleep and you'll go "Are you
listening to me?" I'll be trying to stay awake...
V: I'm laughing about it usually. I'm not upset about it.
M: I don't know by then. I'm half out.
V: But now with me having a car, you'll be able to go to sleep
early and get up with Stephanie a little bit. That's one of my big
problems. I'm not getting any sleep. I don't get to sleep until
M: I've been getting up with her.
V: You've been real good about that.
V: I guess I just wish that you didn't have to go in early.
M: Yeah, we don't get a whole lot of time together.
V: When I have the car, I can get out and get stuff then. I feel
like I'm stuck at home and here you are...
M: I'll be able to meet you for lunch and stuff. I guess that
wasn't any big problem.
V: It is a problem. It seems like we talk about it every
M: Yeah, we do.
V: That's about the only thing we really complain about.
M: Yeah. The last couple nights I tried to take you out to the lake
and look at the stars and stuff, so...
V: I know.
M: We just need to get used to our schedules.
V: That first week I was so, I was real upset cause it seemed like
all I did was stay home with Stephanie all morning till three and just
work all evening. I wasn't doing anything. It didn't seem like we had
family gatherings every weekend. We never had time to go out, just the
two of us.
M: I got a little surprise for ya next weekend.
V: Yeah, it's always next weekend. It's never this weekend.
M: Eight weekends in a row.
V: I just went from not working at all and being home. We've both
been through major job changes and all.
M: And I can't breathe.
V: But we're getting used to it and I feel so much better about
going to work at three (o'clock), three-thirty now than I did that first
V: I just wish I had more time to do what I wanted to do. I, it's
M: I'll, I'll be able to stay...
V: ...a wife and mother.
M: ...to stay at home during the days a little bit more or I'll
have to go in early but then I can take a couple of hours off in the
V: Do you have to go in early every day?
M: I'm going to go in early every day.
M: 'Cause there are things I need to do every morning.
V: I think you just like going in to your office.
M: You don't know a thing about it then. Randy was in there early
every day, tell me why?
V: Yeah, but he was home at a decent hour too.
M: He stays out late.
V: Eight to eight or eight to nine every day.
M: Every day.
V: Now, then, I don't want you taking that job. You forget
GOTTMAN SAYS: This couple also has low levels of marital
satisfaction. Unlike the previous couple, they have the "hot," corrosive
kind of marital conflict characterized by what I call the "Four Horsemen
of the Apocalypse": criticism, contempt, defensiveness and stonewalling.
This type of conflict tends to lead to early divorce. However, also
unlike the previous couple, there is still a lot of strength in their
relationship. Their friendship is intact. There is humor and affection,
and they are confident that they can resolve their conflict.
Though the couple begins their discussion very well, by laughing,
Valerie soon expresses anger because Mark's new job is demanding so much
of his time. She then repairs this with humor and more affection. This
shows that there is still quite a bit of strength in this marriage. The
respite is only temporary; Valerie raises the family issue again. But
Mark agrees affectionately, showing another strength: He makes her
problems "their" problems.
They are doing very well discussing the problem until Valerie's
angry line about going in early every day. This leads to a pattern of her
anger and his defensiveness in response. So there is still a lot of
strength in their interaction, but something is keeping him from fully
understanding how hard it is for her to have him gone so much. Something
is deteriorating in this relationship and it's exemplified by her
ultimatums and his resistance.
When we were doing this research, we didn't intervene to help
couples, and this one, unfortunately, divorced after seven years of
marriage. Now I think we can prevent this type of marital meltdown. The
secrets are in keeping fathers involved with their babies so they make
the same kind of philosophical transformation in meaning that their wives
are probably making; in teaching couples what to expect during this
transition to parenthood; and in helping them with the inevitable marital
conflict, sleepless irritability and depression that often follow a new
Wilma, 31, and Harris, 35, have been married 11 years.
Wilma: The communication problem. Tell me your feelings. (Both
Harris: A lot of times I don't know. I've always been quiet.
W: Is it just because you have nothing to talk about, or is it
because you don't want to talk about it?
H: A lot of times I don't know.
W: Okay. Example: when we went to Lake Bariessa. I mean, I can
understand that you couldn't find your way around and everything, that
was fine. But it still doesn't hurt to open your lips, you know?
H: I was kind of burned out that day...
W: Well, you suggested we go...
H: I was trying to take you out somewhere, then I was trying to
figure out my money in the bank and I end up coming short...
W: You did all that driving up there...
H: Yeah. And I was trying to figure out my bank account and how I
was going to, you know, have the gas money for the week.
W: But, like, when we got there, you didn't want to talk. We got
off the truck, we got set up and you ate your sandwich. Your little
bologna sandwich. (Both laughing)
H: Yeah. I was starving. (Laughing)
W: I didn't know you were. And then it was like, you still didn't
want to talk, so Dominique and me started playing tennis.
H: It was almost time to go then and I had to drive back. I didn't
want to check it out.
W: Yeah. I thought it was such a nice drive.
H: I didn't know it was going to be that far.
W: And I really appreciate that.
H: Thank you very much.
W: You're welcome. I don't mind you talking about bills all the
time, but we can only pay what we can pay, so why worry?
H: 'Cause that's how I am.
W: You shouldn't do that.
H: Well, I can't help it. I'm always trying to be
W: Okay, "Preventive." (Laughter)
H: I can't help it. I have learned from my mistakes. Have you ever
heard of people worried about bills?
W: I've heard of those people. I'm one of those people.
H: And I'm one of those people, whether you know it or not.
W: The thing is, I just pay what I can. You can't give everybody
money at the same time when you don't have it to give.
H: The only thing I can do is have life insurance for me and you. I
paid the kids'. Now I can't pay ours.
W: So you haven't paid the insurance in a month and a half?
H: I paid the kids', but I haven't been able to pay ours.
W: You see, you don't say anything, so I've been thinking that
everything is okay.
H: Yeah, I gathered that. (Laughter)
W: (Laughter) Honestly. We need to figure out how we can pay that
before it's due. I mean, the same thing with the phone bill.
H: But you haven't been trying to keep that down. Yappity yappity
W: Well, we'll try to figure it out. We'll both of us try to take
H: Right. That's what I'd like.
W: All right. Work with me, baby. And now maybe you'll start
talking more. See, now you're sitting up here talking about this. And
like that day at the park. We could have talked about that. It was a nice
relaxing moment to discuss things.
H: I don't know what happened then. When I got there, I was blown
W: If you sit and talk with me like this...
H: When do we have a chance to sit down?
W: On weekends.
H: I don't think we have enough time on weekends to sit
W: See, that's why I said we need to take a day for ourselves.
Momma would keep Dominique for a day. We've got to start focusing on
W: Just every now and then, so we can do something for ourselves,
even if it isn't anything more than taking in a movie.
W: Or go have dinner. When was the last time we had dinner in a
H: That would be nice. Or go to a movie. How do you do it? First
you go have dinner, then you go to a movie. (Laughter)
W: Or if you go to a movie early enough, you can go have dinner
GOTTMAN SAYS: Wilma and Harris have a long-term, stable and happy
marriage. They easily discuss two long-standing marital issues: the fact
that he doesn't talk very much and she wants him to, and their financial
differences. These issues are never going to change fundamentally. Our
research has revealed that 69 percent of couples experience "perpetual
problems"--issues with no resolution that couples struggle with for many
years. Our data now lead us to believe that whenever you marry someone,
your personality differences ensure that you and your partner will
grapple with these issues forever. Marriages are only successful to the
degree that the problems you have are ones you can cope with.
For most perpetual conflicts in marriages, what matters is not
conflict resolution, but the attitudes that surround discussion of the
conflict. Wilma and Harris both basically accept that there will always
be differences between them, and they essentially accept one another as
they are. Still, it is their ability to exchange viewpoints, making each
other feel comfortable and supported all the while, that keeps them from
This couple, which is typical of our long-term couples, are real
pros at being married and at using positive affect--like humor and gentle
teasing--to de-escalate conflict. This is likely a sign that they are
keeping their arousal levels low. Notice the wide array of strategies
used to alleviate potential tension, such as expressing appreciation,
softening complaints, responding nondefensively, backing down and using
humor. The two of them do this together.
What these middle-aged spouses do is exactly what newlyweds who
wind up stable and happy do, and this process moves them toward some
semblance of problem-solving. What this master couple has effectively
accomplished is to actualize the great marital paradox: that people can
only change if they don't feel they have to.
Harris and Wilma make it look easy, just like a high-wire act makes
it look easy. They are "athletes" at marriage, and that is one reason we
study long-term marriages. There is a marital magic in what they do. The
only function of my research is to make this marital magic clear so
therapists can teach it to other couples.