Living and dying with Peter Singer

PS: Numbers matter, but I'd assume the preference of that one being not to die is much more intense than the preferences of the other ten to kill it. You'd have to actually live all 11 of those lives to know for certain.

PT: Right--so how can you evaluate the intensity of a preference from the outside?

PS: It's very hard. You can't actually go around living a moral life by doing those calculations all the time. That's why we have moral rules of thumb.

In general, most people have a very serious, intense preference to continue to live that outweighs almost any other preference. But these rules don't have absolute moral status.

PT: What do you say to those who see you as an advocate of eugenics, even an advocate of death?

PS: Well, all my views are motivated by an abhorrence of gratuitous suffering, and an attempt to allay that.

One of the issues I've written about is the obligation we all have to assist people in need in the Third World. When people call me an advocate of death, I wonder how much they're doing to save lives overseas by distributing wealth more equally

PT: You yourself give money to help people overseas.

PS: For the last 25 years I've given away 10% of my income, and more recently, the royalties from Practical Ethics. I question the motives of people who complain about my views but don't actively try to extend lives by giving more to overseas aid. The next time they go out and buy a luxury item, they should consider that they could be helping people dying from preventable diarrhea or malnutrition.

PT: You've tackled some huge and thorny philosophical issues. What are you going to turn to next?

PS: I've taken time off from Monash University to write a biography of my grandfather. He was a member of Freud's Wednesday circle [a group of Freud's followers]. Later he left it, along with Alfred Adler.

He was also a victim of the Holocaust. I have many letters he and my grandmother wrote, and they're very moving. At the end he could only send little Red Cross notes.

PT: Can I take a look at them?

PS: They're in German. This one is from my grandmother to my father, after the liberation. I'll translate: "It's really difficult...to write after such a long sad time. Your dear father is no more...I never though I'd live to see this day; and I can't celebrate this long-awaited freedom, the one thing I hoped for. Reunion with you seems unreachable...I don't even know when this letter will reach you...About my future life I can't and don't want to say today. I don't know how I will live."

PT: It's hard to imagine someone writing and trying to express the inexpressible. Did she come to live with you after that?

PS: Yes. I remember her as being frail, thin and very loving. She was in the house with us a lot. She died when I was about nine.

PT: So we're back to my original question about your family's history in the Holocaust illuminating your life and ethics.

PS: Indifference to suffering was so evident in the Holocaust. Unfortunately, it's still evident in many of the areas of ethics with which I'm concerned.

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