A talk with Warren Bennis

Leadership and Change

In his new book, An Invented Life (Addison-Wesley; 1993), the well-known management consultant offers us a rare glimpse into the way his upbringing shaped his philosophy: "I believe in self-invention...to be authentic is literally to be your own author, to discover your native energies and find your own way of acting upon them. Not existing simply to live up to an image posited by the culture or some other authority."

In an interview with PSYCHOLOGY TODAY he further articulated his thoughts on the changing workplace.

PT: Can you explain what you mean by "self-invention"?

WB: Most effective business leaders have also been people who have reinvented themselves in some important way--because there have recently been more volatile, complex, turbulent, ambiguous, surprising, fluid changes in our society than at any other time I can recall since I was 11. Given these changes, how can we not--if we want to continue to learn and continue to grow--keep from completely overhauling who we are?

The world is different, we've got to react differently to it. Realize that we don't have to be a brutal boss; we need to be empowering, a good guy, a participative manager.

PT: You're suggesting a complete overhaul, from the top down.

WB: Yes, and a lot of companies still don't understand that. Einstein's definition of insanity is when you continue to repeat over and over the same practice, hoping to get different results.

The problem with IBM and GM is that they have been insane. IBM kept making mainframes when the whole world was using workstations and personal computers. GM kept making the same kind of cars, closing their eyes to what was going on in Japan and in California because they were stuck in Detroit. All they could see was other GM cars. When you're successful, it's very bard to change.

All these failing companies have been subject to Einstein's insanity.

PT: What about the non-bosses? The middlemen and -women?

WB: I feel for the people in the middle of an organization, because it's more difficult than if you're on the periphery. If you're a salesman out in the field, I think the opportunities for learning are a lot better. The real initiatives conic from the peripherypeople at the margins are often the most creative.

If you are going to succeed in business in the 1990s and beyond, you're going to have to develop people--wealth as a function of ideas and know-how. It's important for employees in any position to work in a situation where they'll be allowed to grow and develop.

PT: What if you're working for a boss who doesn't see that? How do you get him or her to listen?

WB: I think you should talk to the boss directly, one-on-one. And if that doesn't work, go around and talk to other people and maybe even to the boss's boss. And if that doesn't work, you have to leave.

Is it cavalier or callous of me to recommend that? Well, in the long run that business is going to fail if it doesn't change its ways, so the end result is the same either way you go.

It's not unlike staying in a bad marriage because you're frightened by the prospect of being too old to remarry and not being in a financial position to strike out on your own again. So you stuff it all down and say I'm going to just stay in a lousy relationship because the alternatives are worse.

But too often, I'm afraid, the alternatives are better. It's just that people aren't acting upon them.

PT: The best strategy, then, is to put your money where your mouth is?

WB: For leaders, managers, middlemen and -women, yes. The best people also have a bias toward action, who keep saying, "You're never going to get anywhere if you keep sitting in the dugout." The only way you're going to succeed, ultimately, in whatever you do, is to get up there and take your swings. And sometimes that means taking a swing at someone else, someone who you think is doing something wrong or dangerous for the company. That's action, too.

By far, the majority of the 150 millionaires that I've interviewed in the last decade and a half said they've learned more from failure than from success. The main skill they possessed was the ability to learn from themselves and their mistakes, and what they do to get the best and worst out of people.

There is nothing like power to reveal and bring to the surface our own humanity and character. Especially power in crisis situations because that's when style dissolves into character. When you're in a tough situation, when you've hit rock bottom, as one CEO told me, "That's when the iron enters your soul, and gives you resiliency to cope."

I truly think there's nothing like being a person of responsibility that teaches you about who you are. Nothing.

PT: If we have 100 miles to go to achieve this change you're talking about, how far have we gone so far?

WB: About five, I think. We've gone about 50 percent of the way in terms of intellectual acceptance of participative management and employee involvement. Where we still need to go is in the capacity of tough leadership to create a social architecture that will generate intellectual capital--ideas, innovations, learning, know-how. That's what it's all about.

PHOTO: Warren Bennis (ERIC S. FORDHAM)

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